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If that's what is happening, then it is completely Sherri's fault because she's recruited those type of players.

Have you ever been a parent to a teenage girl?????

No one can predict what a 15, 16 or 17 year old girl will be like 4 or 5 years later. If they are obsessed with basketball, they might be burned out later on or they might remain obsessed until they fall in 'love'. If they are the type that never had to work at it, they may hit the wall when they get to college and they are no longer that much better than anyone else - or they might learn to work and make themselves better. There is no way to predict what 98% of them will be like.
 
From what i have heard is she getting her masters and staying for a 6th.

You have to stretch the floor in todays game. Think about when KK or Vivi actually catch the ball from the free throw line extended, nobody even comes out on them. That is not a problem letting one player do that, but when there is two it really shuts down the penetration lanes. You really need a player that can hit a 15 footer or the lanes will be shut down, and you'll be strictly a jump shooting team. And thats no recipe for success.

I know exactly why Maddie throws the ball in, she's the best passer. Its that simple and she should be throwing it in. The problem is nobody is looking to get her the ball at the high post- and that is one of the ways you beat a zone. Derica will shoot 10 threes before she throws it there once. Gabbi can't hit her. TT and Gioya can probably do it- but Gioya is looking to score though (as she should) and TT doesn't play enough.

KK and Vivi are better passers- they are still among the worst passers on the team.

Again here. Maddie gives up nothing of defense. She lead us in rebounding last game. There is no reason to move another player in there. Im not opposed to a couple times a year putting KK and Vivi in at the same time and getting one of them a potential mismatch, but that can't work over the course of a game. Too weak condition, Too many fouls, and zero space for anyone else to operate, also would kill our transition game. It's not basketball today.

Not to mention. This team played zone. This shouldn't be a topic after we lose to a zone, its not even logical to play them both. You need passing. getting the ball in middle by attacking, or passing. and transition. All things neither offer us. Its not a plausible argument in this thread.

We did give up 90 pts to an extremely average team again however.. The problem was on the defensive end.

(well, that I don't expect Maddie to stay a 6th year, but that really depends upon so many factors and I don't know what they are...I heard she was already working on her doctorate...well, saw a post...AND that she had 25 college hours when she came....don't necessarily give that much credence).

I still think there are times to play Vivi and KK together, but, of course, not in all situations.

You talk about us losing to a zone but then say the problem was on the defensive end. Believe it was on both ends. If Derica hit those shots, then you might be saying something different. You know we don't know what is being told them by the coaches, but it seems the 3 pt shooter have always had the green light.

Anyway, I agree about getting Maddie the ball, but I don't know that it is as easy as you seem to think. Not with this group, not with the teams we are playing. Am sure there are times it is much more easy than others. But you can look at different things that are not happening but it seems that the chemistry is not there, just like in 2014. Something was wrong. Of course, having Peyton in a funk looks like it has messed up the chemistry. VIVI, TT, GIOYA and Derica seem to be surviving it but her presence is a huge loss.
 
Have you ever been a parent to a teenage girl?????

No one can predict what a 15, 16 or 17 year old girl will be like 4 or 5 years later. If they are obsessed with basketball, they might be burned out later on or they might remain obsessed until they fall in 'love'. If they are the type that never had to work at it, they may hit the wall when they get to college and they are no longer that much better than anyone else - or they might learn to work and make themselves better. There is no way to predict what 98% of them will be like.

True. And there are so many other factors that can affect their play. We don't know them, what they are going through, why........college can be pretty tough
on any student and usually is on many. And not
necessarily because they can't do the class work.


Will add that also includes boys.
 
Mont... Two 5's in zone would be doing to them a favor- Lewis could guard them both while the whole team collapses- just not a plausible argument in relation to the situation...

You are talking about one game. Plus, I don't think Lewis could guard them both and, if the whole team collapses, throw it back out. Vivi made some good assists in the KSU game.
 
Thrailkill said on the weekly Sherri Coale show at Rudy's that Maddie had 25 hours (approx) when she came to OU (advanced credit of more is common). HE said she had graduated and would get her Master's later this year (Spring or Fall, 2016?). The work on a Doctorate was somewhat in jest, but not altogether. I could suggest a Dissertation subject, "The psychology of males on a women's basketball message board."
 
(well, that I don't expect Maddie to stay a 6th year, but that really depends upon so many factors and I don't know what they are...I heard she was already working on her doctorate...well, saw a post...AND that she had 25 college hours when she came....don't necessarily give that much credence).

I still think there are times to play Vivi and KK together, but, of course, not in all situations.

You talk about us losing to a zone but then say the problem was on the defensive end. Believe it was on both ends. If Derica hit those shots, then you might be saying something different. You know we don't know what is being told them by the coaches, but it seems the 3 pt shooter have always had the green light.

Anyway, I agree about getting Maddie the ball, but I don't know that it is as easy as you seem to think. Not with this group, not with the teams we are playing. Am sure there are times it is much more easy than others. But you can look at different things that are not happening but it seems that the chemistry is not there, just like in 2014. Something was wrong. Of course, having Peyton in a funk looks like it has messed up the chemistry. VIVI, TT, GIOYA and Derica seem to be surviving it but her presence is a huge loss.

The main issue is on the defensive end. We gave up 90 pts, and got absolutely destroyed defensively by other teams as well. But we definitely struggle agaisnt the zone, which I clearly addressed. What did I say? We don't get it to Maddie at the high post. We don't get STOPS then get out in transition before they set up. We don't pass crisply, and effectively, and we don't get into the gaps in the middle. We settle for 30 footers, living and dieing by the 3, that is not a recipe for success. Do u realize how big of a momentum killer it is to come down and miss a 30 footer that you took 10 seconds into the shot clock?? It kills everything, flow, rhythm. and then- here is the important part- the players missing those shots come down and get burnt off the dribble for layups (Derica, Gabbi). That is the issue. We have bad defenders in the game. We need our best athletes/defensive personal in the ball game for 30+. We have those players, they just aren't playing because we are more concerned about playing people that can shoot and do nothing else. That is what I am saying- The problem is defense- You can consistently win games on defense, there is no slumping defensive teams- there needs to be a much greater emphasis on that side of the court.

TT. Goya. VV. and Maddie should be playing 30+ minutes- those players can apply pressure and force you to make the bad decision and struggle on the offensive end. If you hold teams to 60 pts, you don't need that much offense.

Its really not that difficult to get Maddie the ball there, we just have a lot of people that aren't really concerned about winning- they want stats and minutes I feel like. Move it quick and the gaps open up to get it to her or other can penetrate inside. Its not that hard, they just ether lack the ability to do it or they are all selfish. I do know the answer is not playing two 5's there, nor is 30 foot 3 point shots. that I do know.
 
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You are talking about one game. Plus, I don't think Lewis could guard them both and, if the whole team collapses, throw it back out. Vivi made some good assists in the KSU game.

haha. I can't keep talking about this- its a waste of time and energy cause I know your going to mention it after every single loss regardless of why I tell you that it is a much better option to have a player that can stretch the court, pass the ball, penetrate alongside a player that plays w her back to the basket as opposed to two players that play with their back to the basket. Every coach in the WORLD w/ any credentials would tell you the exact same thing. So I'm done wasting my energy on it.
 
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You ppl are literally under the impression that you can post up two players at the same time or something lol. You can't do that in basketball, maybe Water Polo. But not in basketball- You have a complete waste of a man. And space. and speed. and Passing. And a ball handler. and a penetrator.

The only reason it makes sense to have is if she is deficent at guarding post players and the other team plays two really good post players. Or she is a deficent rebounder and its quite the opposite. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
 
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You ppl are literally under the impression that you can post up two players at the same time or something lol. You can't do that in basketball, maybe Water Polo. But not in basketball- You have a complete waste of a man. And space. and speed. and Passing. And a ball handler. and a penetrator.

The only reason it makes sense to have is if she is deficent at guarding post players and the other team plays two really good post players. Or she is a deficent rebounder and its quite the opposite. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT

Most of us are not talking about having two low post players. Many teams, including the best in the big-12 have used a high and a low post some this year. It is a workable plan. Now if your argument is that our post players cannot do that you may have room to debate. I personally do not think it would work for Vivi and KK because they are too slow. But others may have a different view.
 
The high/low post only works if you have someone at the high post that is a threat. With Texas, e.g., the high post is Lang who is probably better at ten to fifteen than under the basket. She's almost a three or four that happens to be a post.

It could work with Nancy and Vivi because Nancy can hit from the free throw line with consistency. I think she is about 80% on free throws, and she can hit a jump shot from there, if need be. At 6-9, does she even have to jump? But, the reality is that we need someone to spell Vivi, and will that be Nancy, McKenna, or EJ?
 
Most of us are not talking about having two low post players. Many teams, including the best in the big-12 have used a high and a low post some this year. It is a workable plan. Now if your argument is that our post players cannot do that you may have room to debate. I personally do not think it would work for Vivi and KK because they are too slow. But others may have a different view.

The high/low works if one player can face up/ and the other works with a back to basket player- . What we have... but- high Post game!!!? We can't even get it there! lol
 
haha. I can't keep talking about this- its a waste of time and energy cause I know your going to mention it after every single loss regardless of why I tell you that it is a much better option to have a player that can stretch the court, pass the ball, penetrate alongside a player that plays w her back to the basket as opposed to two players that play with their back to the basket. Every coach in the WORLD w/ any credentials would tell you the exact same thing. So I'm done wasting my energy on it.

I have in the past said I think it would be good to try Kay Kay and Vivi together. I am not talking about every game, nor for the entire game. Also, I have NEVER said in our interactions nor anywhere that Maddie should not play the high post. SERIOUSLY, you should respond to what I post and not just say what you want to say no matter what. AND PLEASE I never asked you to respond so if you wasted energy that was on you. WHY are you being so immature and petty and pissy?
 
Have you ever been a parent to a teenage girl?????



No one can predict what a 15, 16 or 17 year old girl will be like 4 or 5 years later. If they are obsessed with basketball, they might be burned out later on or they might remain obsessed until they fall in 'love'. If they are the type that never had to work at it, they may hit the wall when they get to college and they are no longer that much better than anyone else - or they might learn to work and make themselves better. There is no way to predict what 98% of them will be like.


Actually, I have. Two of them. I coached girls teams up to 18. Believe me, I know what it is like and how to deal with it. Including having a girl try to hide she was pregnant at 17 so she could continue to play goalie. Her parents didn't even realize it.


On edit: it wasn't either of my daughters FTR.

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Actually, I have. Two of them. I coached girls teams up to 18. Believe me, I know what it is like and how to deal with it. Including having a girl try to hide she was pregnant at 17 so she could continue to play goalie. Her parents didn't even realize it.


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I've seen that. The entire school knew. Don't know why her parents didn't know.
 
The main issue is on the defensive end. We gave up 90 pts, and got absolutely destroyed defensively by other teams as well. But we definitely struggle agaisnt the zone, which I clearly addressed. What did I say? We don't get it to Maddie at the high post. We don't get STOPS then get out in transition before they set up. We don't pass crisply, and effectively, and we don't get into the gaps in the middle. We settle for 30 footers, living and dieing by the 3, that is not a recipe for success. Do u realize how big of a momentum killer it is to come down and miss a 30 footer that you took 10 seconds into the shot clock?? It kills everything, flow, rhythm. and then- here is the important part- the players missing those shots come down and get burnt off the dribble for layups (Derica, Gabbi). That is the issue. We have bad defenders in the game. We need our best athletes/defensive personal in the ball game for 30+. We have those players, they just aren't playing because we are more concerned about playing people that can shoot and do nothing else. That is what I am saying- The problem is defense- You can consistently win games on defense, there is no slumping defensive teams- there needs to be a much greater emphasis on that side of the court.

TT. Goya. VV. and Maddie should be playing 30+ minutes- those players can apply pressure and force you to make the bad decision and struggle on the offensive end. If you hold teams to 60 pts, you don't need that much offense.

Its really not that difficult to get Maddie the ball there, we just have a lot of people that aren't really concerned about winning- they want stats and minutes I feel like. Move it quick and the gaps open up to get it to her or other can penetrate inside. Its not that hard, they just ether lack the ability to do it or they are all selfish. I do know the answer is not playing two 5's there, nor is 30 foot 3 point shots. that I do know[/B].

Certainly disagree with you there. Especially based on the players you think should get minutes, it must mean you are saying other people are selfish and
don't pass. A lot of the three point shooters have the green light from Sherri tto shoot, so believe that is not the case. Heck they pass up good shots and ttake bad ones. They do pass the ball, what they don't do is move. Maybe that is Sherri's offense to pass the ball and not move to get into position to make a play, just pass the ball around the outside and pass in and out to the center. It certainly isn't working that well and never has on on OUWBB team that I remember.
 
The high/low works if one player can face up/ and the other works with a back to basket player- . What we have... but- high Post game!!!? We can't even get it there! lol

I assume you meant "not" what we have?

You and I agree on that S4L, but I do think it is possible KK could have developed that kind of game if it had been taught. But as you know, it is probably too late for that now.

So that will not likely work for us this year. Maybe next year at times.

Texas is using that a little bit tonight against OSU (on the LHN - Cox 274 right now). Texas leads by 4 at the half.
 
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I've seen several posts suggesting so and so should get more minutes, so and so should be benched, we should try this combination or that combination, or this style of offense or that style. None of that is going to make a hill of beans of difference as long as we are limited to the roster we now have now.
 
I don't care what offense or defense we play or which players start or are first off the bench. I just want to see 100% effort, diving on the floor for loose balls, attention to detail and focus.
 
I assume you meant "not" what we have?

You and I agree on that S4L, but I do think it is possible KK could have developed that kind of game if it had been taught. But as you know, it is probably too late for that now.

So that will not likely work for us this year. Maybe next year at times.

Texas is using that a little bit tonight against OSU (on the LHN - Cox 274 right now). Texas leads by 4 at the half.

ha. no. We technically have a face up player in the front court, Maddie. And a back to the basket player KK and Vivi.
 
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