OU vs TCU

[Sooners4Life0101]

Sanity?

Carter is 1 of 6 from the field, 0 for 2 from three. She has three rebounds, three fouls, one assist, one steal, and four turnovers. She also has two points. By now, she has almost as much time as Penzo, and Penzo has outscored her 12-2, and out-rebounded her 9 to 3. So, you want to start Carter? I think it looks like red-shirting her might be the best option. She just isn't ready.

I think we may see more of T'Ona until Gabbi settles down. But, our best five right now are the starters. T'Ona is offensively handicapped. It didn't show tonight because TCU is a running offense. They like to play in the open court, which is an advantage to T'Ona. Not everyone plays like TCU, maybe West Virginia.

In Gioya's defense she hasn't had much time to get going yet, I think she is a really good defender none the less and will be an asset at the end in some way shape or form. I don't think she is the elite scorer that everyone believes her to be, she took over that identity when she was shooting 60% from 3 pt range last season which is obviously not sustainable. I do think we could still really use her at the end of the year. She is a lot more athletic than Derica, and against Baylor or Texas we will need her.

I personally think that TT found something syb. I think she gets better and better every game and she offers us a lot more athleticism than Gabbi does. Also spreads the wealth.

But If somebody is trying to pull Maddie out of the lineup, Im sure you agree, that is just dumb. Maddie might be an inconsistent scorer-- But in every other facet of the game, she is one of if not the best player. She's the best passer, best ball handler, best defender by far and away, Best at penetrating, best playmaker, finishes second or third in rebounding every game- She runs the break, is the focal point for our 1-3-1 trap- which has kind of become kind our signature defense and doesn't happen if she doesn't play. She even tips the ball for us at the begining of the game... And its also a fact that she has more ability to score than anybody else you could throw out there, and I think that is why Sherri is sitting her. She is trying to make her understand that we need her to score. But its not because we can throw someone else that is better out there, or that someone else is playing better than her. She is comparing her output to the best players and I don't think she is gonna keep letting her slide anymore. I hope she finally breaks through soon, because we will need it.

Side note- Our leading scorer is KK, if you took a stat per minute how many pts she scores with Maddie on the court in comparison to her being on the bench- its probably 3 to 1.
Its okay to expect more from her, but at the same time we need to stop under appreciating her as well.

 

[MsProudSooner]

This question seems silly but is Ortiz athletic to be an All Big 12 PG?
Anyone know any shooting funk buster rituals for Little to try?

Ortiz is playing more like a freshman this year than she did last year.

I seem to remember a comment about Leah Rush dumping the gorilla off of her back on a flight back to OKC one year. Maybe that's what Peyton needs to do.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Big come back win. Looked grim there in the 3rd QTR.

The real concern is game over game not getting a lot of consistency from some starters etc.

If Treece is developing into a true stretch 4 then you have to start playing her more.
Maybe Manning's minutes should be coming at the expense of the other wing spots.

This question seems silly but is Ortiz athletic to be an All Big 12 PG?
Anyone know any shooting funk buster rituals for Little to try?

It is obvious that Gabbi cannot guard quick players. She should be fine against some teams but athletic teams will always cause her problems.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

It is obvious that Gabbi cannot guard quick players. She should be fine against some teams but athletic teams will always cause her problems.

Well said Norm.

She also comes down the court and jacks up 30 footers, Nobody wants to play with a point guard like that- Spread the wealth, the ball has energy- if everyone touches it they play harder.

 

[Hoopdreams79]

Gabbi seemed fine last year vs TCU and they lost one of their more athletic players. Obvious T is more athletic but Gabbi can guard kids she just seems to be thinking way too much. She knows where she needs to be but her lack of offense has seemed to take her out defensively. As far as T her entire game is based on Defense thus no pressure. This is a well balanced team and will take a Hall of Fame Coach to know when and how to use them. OU has that.

 

[sybarite]

I'm just not sure that Carter will be effective this year. Other than hit her first shot, she hasn't done anything positive in the time that she has had. She doesn't seem to have any of her quickness. She may just be out-of-shape. But, she might be better off if she red-shirted, although the competition for a starting role becomes more daunting with each passing year.

Remember that Sherri benched Kay Kay for the entire Arkansas game last year. Somehow, I don't think she intended to end up with Vivi as the starter as a freshman. She likes to send messages. I think she has benched several people at times this year. Gabbi, Peyton, and Maddie have spent some time on the bench. Kay Kay was actually out for a bit tonight with Treece and Vivi both replacing her. Maddie was jerked primarily for those two passes that she threw to Kay Kay---too flashy, and they didn't work. I doubt Sherri liked the behind your back pass to Vivi a game or so ago. It just happened to work.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Gabbi seemed fine last year vs TCU and they lost one of their more athletic players. Obvious T is more athletic but Gabbi can guard kids she just seems to be thinking way too much. She knows where she needs to be but her lack of offense has seemed to take her out defensively. As far as T her entire game is based on Defense thus no pressure. This is a well balanced team and will take a Hall of Fame Coach to know when and how to use them. OU has that.

See I think TT has ran the break very well the last few games, and has been able to find the open the man regularly. She also has been able to break down defenses to get some layups the last couple, she just gets better and better. Gabbi may have peaked already, I don't think she can ever average 15 and I don't think she can ever stop a great scorer from scoring 20. She'll always hit big shots, she'll always deserve some good minutes- but if you don't got the wheels things get tough....

 

[rocjunkie]

I thought the coaching staff was brilliant tonight. Sherri stuck with the kids that were hustling, playing pressure defense, and taking what the defense gave them. I'm not going to suggest who should start and who shouldn't, because I really don't care. I'll let the coaching staff continue doing an admirable job. What IS important to me, is Sherri is doing a very good job at the moment of finding out during the game who the kids are that are producing and working hard on both ends of the floor. She is starting to get comfortable with her substitutions and is not waiting to pull someone who isn't working hard. Proud of those kids tonight for hanging in and finally figuring it out and taking a hard fought road win to the house.

 

[Hoopdreams79]

Yes suggesting starters is their job (coaches) but I do believe this team could go with different looks and be successful. I believe the Coach was the biggest part of the win tonight. But the best teams have 6 people contributing on the floor at the same time five players and a coach at OU you get that consistency from your Coach. I have read a lot of negative on here about how Coach Coale does things but tonight she proved why she is being inducted into the HOF

 

[SoonerNorm]

I just now noticed that T'ona had 9 assists in the game. She needs to work on her free throw shooting but everything else looked good.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Yes suggesting starters is their job (coaches) but I do believe this team could go with different looks and be successful. I believe the Coach was the biggest part of the win tonight. But the best teams have 6 people contributing on the floor at the same time five players and a coach at OU you get that consistency from your Coach. I have read a lot of negative on here about how Coach Coale does things but tonight she proved why she is being inducted into the HOF

yup.

Lots of different rotations, we found one that got on a run and rolled with it. It was well done.

 

[rocjunkie]

I just now noticed that T'ona had 9 assists in the game. She needs to work on her free throw shooting but everything else looked good.

I haven't looked at the box score yet, but I just love the energy that she brings to this team. She seems to grow every game. Once she settles on the things she does really well and stops some of the things that get her in trouble on the floor, she is going to be even a bigger spark plug than she already is.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

I just now noticed that T'ona had 9 assists in the game. She needs to work on her free throw shooting but everything else looked good.

9 assists, and unfortunately can't measure her defensive effectiveness. Anybody remember the play where TCU got oooing and awing because the girl got TT to buckle a little. Then TT got up in her grill and about 4 or 5 redirections later stole the ball then got fouled....

Then another play Maddie gets fouled and TT and her put there heads together smiling.... That's chemistry. I'll take her in my lineup...

Not saying there won't be some mind splitting mistakes yet to come, but the athletisicsm and chemistry- you can't buy that.

 

[rocjunkie]

Yes suggesting starters is their job (coaches) but I do believe this team could go with different looks and be successful. I believe the Coach was the biggest part of the win tonight. But the best teams have 6 people contributing on the floor at the same time five players and a coach at OU you get that consistency from your Coach. I have read a lot of negative on here about how Coach Coale does things but tonight she proved why she is being inducted into the HOF

Hoop, I couldn't have said it better, I like the different combinations too, at the same time, I hope we eventually have two or three kids that we can always depend on during crunch time. I think we are slowly starting to see that happening.

 

[GoWarriors]

I agree, Sherri did a really good job tonight. T'ona isn't a good shooter but, IMO, she is our best defender and she's good in transition. She is extremely quick so Sherri can put her on quick offensive players. It will be interesting to see T'ona go against McCarty.

Good point. She needs to start over Gabbi. She provides more punch and athletic ability. It was a great win on the road to staying with the top two Big 12 schools.

 

[sybarite]

T'Ona vs Gabbi---or both.

We know that Gabbi can do it. She did it last year. She also competed against far better athletes than she'll see this year in the Big Twelve, and she was the stabilizer. It's just that she has come back as a highschool sophomore instead of who she is. But, in addition to having done it, Gabbi gives something else.

In a set offense, T'Ona has a problem. She can't shoot. Sometimes, she tries too hard and throws rather bad passes. Sometimes, she tries to drive in herself. Ouch! She was supposedly developing a three point shot. Well, it would be different if she had one (and could hit free throws). Who was the OSU point guard who couldn't shoot? (now an announcer).

As a result, the defense can collapse a bit on the other shooters and the interior, making it even more difficult to get it inside, which seems to be her obsession.

Gabbi started out making stupid mistakes last year, like picking up the dribble just as she crossed midcourt, and in a corner, often getting trapped. She learned. She's making a ton of them now, and it is affecting her defense. She can guard. She's done it. She does it with position more than with hands. T'Ona does it with hands, mostly. She also has good feet.

But, Gabbi offers something in a set that T'Ona doesn't. She can hit as many as seven threes in a game. We've seen her do it. She also has a tendency not to drive into the trees, unless she can get away with it.

I see tonight's game as being unique. It works for T'Ona because TCU plays T'Ona basketball. They don't really defend sets. They speed up the game themselves. This works for T'Ona. Against Iowa State, can you see that working?

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Sherri has set better players than Little and I think she should set her now. Offensively she was ineffective most of the game until that 4th quarter run when TCU got tired and flustered. Defensively, I thought she played well.

I don't know what's wrong with the girl, but she needs to figure it out.

I saw a lot of standing around on offense until the 4th quarter. Didn't like that.

I'm going to throw out an idea for a line-up and let Syn and Tango tell me I'm crazy:

1. Edwards
2. Ortiz
3. Nannie
4. Treece
5. Williams

Real sipped for us at point with a stronger ability to drive.

Opens up Gabbi not
To have to make any decisions and allows her more open three looks. Possibly a better defensive player at the two.

Maddie, KayKay, Treece crashing the board, stronger, tougher front coir who can shoot.

Wyatt first off the bench. Vivi second and then Wyatt.

Go with the hot ones. Vivi gets time spelling Kay Kay


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[Sooners4Life0101]

T'Ona vs Gabbi---or both.

We know that Gabbi can do it. She did it last year. She also competed against far better athletes than she'll see this year in the Big Twelve, and she was the stabilizer. It's just that she has come back as a highschool sophomore instead of who she is. But, in addition to having done it, Gabbi gives something else.

In a set offense, T'Ona has a problem. She can't shoot. Sometimes, she tries too hard and throws rather bad passes. Sometimes, she tries to drive in herself. Ouch! She was supposedly developing a three point shot. Well, it would be different if she had one (and could hit free throws). Who was the OSU point guard who couldn't shoot? (now an announcer).

As a result, the defense can collapse a bit on the other shooters and the interior, making it even more difficult to get it inside, which seems to be her obsession.

Gabbi started out making stupid mistakes last year, like picking up the dribble just as she crossed midcourt, and in a corner, often getting trapped. She learned. She's making a ton of them now, and it is affecting her defense. She can guard. She's done it. She does it with position more than with hands. T'Ona does it with hands, mostly. She also has good feet.

But, Gabbi offers something in a set that T'Ona doesn't. She can hit as many as seven threes in a game. We've seen her do it. She also has a tendency not to drive into the trees, unless she can get away with it.

I see tonight's game as being unique. It works for T'Ona because TCU plays T'Ona basketball. They don't really defend sets. They speed up the game themselves. This works for T'Ona. Against Iowa State, can you see that working?

No doubt Gabbi is a better outside shooter and offers more spacing. Everything else though, TT gots her I feel like? I was the biggest critic of TT last season, I thought there was no way she would ever play here. But this is not nearly the same player, by far the most improved, I think. I don't want to be a prisoner of the moment, but I've noticed the improvement all season, it was just about minimizing all the bad mistakes- and she has recently. Only one we don't agree on Syb.

Personally, I never really saw it from Gabbi, the ppl she guards usually terrorize us. She was a very developed high school player and I don't see much more upside than what we have right now, Im sorry to say. And personally, I think we are dieing for another athlete that can penetrate, stop putting so much pressure on Maddie to do it all. I think TT can be that type of player, as well as a good defender. Hopefully both of them do well though, cause we will need them both. They will both fit in different rotations, and they will both play, we just gotta find ways to maximize their talent when they are in there.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Sherri has set better players than Little and I think she should set her now. Offensively she was ineffective most of the game until that 4th quarter run when TCU got tired and flustered. Defensively, I thought she played well.

I don't know what's wrong with the girl, but she needs to figure it out.

I saw a lot of standing around on offense until the 4th quarter. Didn't like that.

I'm going to throw out an idea for a line-up and let Syn and Tango tell me I'm crazy:

1. Edwards
2. Ortiz
3. Nannie
4. Treece
5. Williams

Real sipped for us at point with a stronger ability to drive.

Opens up Gabbi not
To have to make any decisions and allows her more open three looks. Possibly a better defensive player at the two.

Maddie, KayKay, Treece crashing the board, stronger, tougher front coir who can shoot.

Wyatt first off the bench. Vivi second and then Wyatt.

Go with the hot ones. Vivi gets time spelling Kay Kay


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When your bigs can only play 2-3 minutes at a time then, whats the point in having this conversation? With 2 in, we have one sub so your gonna sub in somone and move Maddie down to the four for a large portion of the game anyway... Clearly Treece should be playing 10-15 a game, but I'm thinking starters need to stay the same. Idc if you start TT or not, but she should be playing eqaul or more minutes then Gabbi at this point in the season and thats where I'm at with the lineups

 

[Stringmusic]

I saw that too - 9 assists. Wow! Plus 4 steals.