Sherri has moved players that could be point guards to the shooting guard roll before, Jenna Plumley and Aaryn comes to mind immediately, so maybe Moving Ortiz off the ball would be good for her... But then who would she move out of the line up? For her limitations Wyatt will keep playing, she came up big with rebounds and assist last night, and Little is leading the team in minutes.
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Sherri has moved players that could be point guards to the shooting guard roll before, Jenna Plumley and Aaryn comes to mind immediately, so maybe Moving Ortiz off the ball would be good for her... But then who would she move out of the line up? For her limitations Wyatt will keep playing, she came up big with rebounds and assist last night, and Little is leading the team in minutes.
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Gabbi is who she is. She is the same player as last year. She could make open shots last year and she can make them this year. Last year she couldn't penetrate and she can't this year. Last year she struggled against athletic point guards and she still struggles now. The only difference is, T'ona has improved dramatically and now Gabbi's problems stick out like a sore thumb.
IMO, if you move Gabbi to the SG, her offensive production will be about the same (8 ppg, 2-3 assists, 2-3 rebs) and she will still struggle to guard quick shooting guards. That puts Derica on the bench and Gabbi in the lineup. Is that a huge improvement? I don't know that it is. Derica and Gabbi are similar players.
Gabbi would be a really good PG if she had quickness. That would not only allow her to defend better but it would also allow her to penetrate and put pressure on the defense. We have seen Gabbi start dribbling really fast like she is going inside only to put it back out and pass the ball. A lack of quickness causes her to back off.
I love Gabbi and she does some things well. But, it is time to realize she isn't going to get any quicker.
IMO, if you move Gabbi to the SG, her offensive production will be about the same (8 ppg, 2-3 assists, 2-3 rebs) and she will still struggle to guard quick shooting guards. That puts Derica on the bench and Gabbi in the lineup. Is that a huge improvement? I don't know that it is. Derica and Gabbi are similar players.
Gabbi would be a really good PG if she had quickness. That would not only allow her to defend better but it would also allow her to penetrate and put pressure on the defense. We have seen Gabbi start dribbling really fast like she is going inside only to put it back out and pass the ball. A lack of quickness causes her to back off.
I love Gabbi and she does some things well. But, it is time to realize she isn't going to get any quicker.
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Here's the article on the game from SoonerSports.com:
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=210619113
http://www.soonersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&ATCLID=210619113
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Carter went into a slump last year, but she was a scorer and a defender and quick. To me, it looked like she lost her confidence. Towards the end of the season, she started to come back. This year, she hasn't had an opportunity. She's coming back from an injury. I wanted her to redshirt for herself so she would have the opportunity to finish out with two good years. I imagine the Coach wanted her to play because we need her. I just hope she does get to 100 percent by post-season. I don't think you can judge her on this season and last season she had outstanding games and then games in which she just had some outstanding play but did not sustain it for the game; such as when she only played 9? minutes because she fouled out but scored 11 points, all of which we needed to win the game. I think we have yet to see the player she can become.
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Yep, she can help us a lot if she gets healthy and back in shape. We miss her ability to penetrate and knock down jump shots as well as defense.
And people call me crazy when I said I would start TT over Ortiz.
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That is not a crazy suggestion at all. I won't be shocked if Sherri does just that.
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I don't know what it means as far as the future is concerned but, last night Sherri only played Gabbi 13 minutes and Maddie 23 minutes. What seems significant to me is, it wasn't like we had a comfortable lead when T'ona and Treece entered the game. We were behind by double digits. We suddenly went on a huge (18-1) run and cruised to a win.
As I said, I'm not sure what it means but, I think it bears watching. Sherri made those changes based upon what she has seen in practice and it paid off in a big way.
As I said, I'm not sure what it means but, I think it bears watching. Sherri made those changes based upon what she has seen in practice and it paid off in a big way.
Ortiz and Wyatt should never play together let alone start together. They just not Athletic or fast enough to compete with the more athletically teams. North Texas and A&M beat us not because they Were better teams than us they beat us because our backcourt is athletically challenged and couldn't keep up with there backcourt.
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I agree with you. There are some on here who still don't think we have an athleticism problem. I just shake my head. I think Sherri is seeing it now and I doubt she will recruit another player like that again. She recruited Penzo and from what I had heard from a recruiting analyst Penzo wasn't very quick. He was right. We have Llanusa coming in and she is a good athlete. The game is changing. Better jumping ability. Better quickness. Coaches have to adjust too. I believe that Sherri will look for good/great athletes who have skills in the future.
I agree, with Rich and Dungee added to the backcourt next year we should have more athleticism...
I'm still not sure what made Sherri sign Penzo, I know syb has said she was on the all tournament team in international play a few years back, but syb has also said he wasn't impressed by Durr, Cox, or any of the other kids who made the All tournament team... so yeah....
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We have to be careful about evaluating players based on one game.
Gabbi will be all right. She has been up and down this year but i tend to evaluate players more on their ups and in the long run on consistency. And Gabbi has had some nice ups this year.
Edwards has definitely improved and I'm not that worried about her free throws. She was at 65% going into the TCU game and that is not bad for someone who plays 4 minutes one game and 15 the next. She needs to develop something other than a layup to remain a consistent contributor. Many teams will not be as suseptible to the break as TCU and most of the teams we have already played has done a good job of stopping OU's uptempo game.
Derica has definitely improved this year and she was very key at TCU. Sometimes when she makes a play I have to take a second look to be sure that it is her because she is doing things this year that she didn't do before. I think until Carter gets back into her normal form that a rotation of Maddie, Derica and Treece would be great.
Treece has got to get more minutes. She has been very good since returning from her injury. She plays solid defense, rebounds and can hit the basket from all over the court. She is shaping up to be like Joanna McFarland.
I'm not that worried about Little. She has a hard time getting open against the more athletic teams. I feel that she would do a lot better putting up pull up jumpers when she tries to drive and can't get to the hoop. She has a deadly pullup jumper and needs to use it more. That would also help her get open for the treys.
I hope we have not seen the best from Maddie yet. I really like a lot of things she does but at times she tries to do way too much and makes some very bad decisions.
Overall I still see decision making one of the greatest areas for improvement with this team. For example both KayKay and ViVi have been stuffed a lot on their shots the last two games and they just keep putting them up the same way and getting them blocked. Also we seem to think layup or bust on every penetration and get a lot of turnovers by trying to force it. A team like Baylor almost never forces a shot and that makes them very efficient on offense. They don't even have to hit a lot of treys because thay are patient and run a very efficient offense giving them a lot of easy wide open 8-15 foot shots. We are definitely playing better defense most of the time this year and that is a real plus and one of the main reasons we came back against TCU.
Gabbi will be all right. She has been up and down this year but i tend to evaluate players more on their ups and in the long run on consistency. And Gabbi has had some nice ups this year.
Edwards has definitely improved and I'm not that worried about her free throws. She was at 65% going into the TCU game and that is not bad for someone who plays 4 minutes one game and 15 the next. She needs to develop something other than a layup to remain a consistent contributor. Many teams will not be as suseptible to the break as TCU and most of the teams we have already played has done a good job of stopping OU's uptempo game.
Derica has definitely improved this year and she was very key at TCU. Sometimes when she makes a play I have to take a second look to be sure that it is her because she is doing things this year that she didn't do before. I think until Carter gets back into her normal form that a rotation of Maddie, Derica and Treece would be great.
Treece has got to get more minutes. She has been very good since returning from her injury. She plays solid defense, rebounds and can hit the basket from all over the court. She is shaping up to be like Joanna McFarland.
I'm not that worried about Little. She has a hard time getting open against the more athletic teams. I feel that she would do a lot better putting up pull up jumpers when she tries to drive and can't get to the hoop. She has a deadly pullup jumper and needs to use it more. That would also help her get open for the treys.
I hope we have not seen the best from Maddie yet. I really like a lot of things she does but at times she tries to do way too much and makes some very bad decisions.
Overall I still see decision making one of the greatest areas for improvement with this team. For example both KayKay and ViVi have been stuffed a lot on their shots the last two games and they just keep putting them up the same way and getting them blocked. Also we seem to think layup or bust on every penetration and get a lot of turnovers by trying to force it. A team like Baylor almost never forces a shot and that makes them very efficient on offense. They don't even have to hit a lot of treys because thay are patient and run a very efficient offense giving them a lot of easy wide open 8-15 foot shots. We are definitely playing better defense most of the time this year and that is a real plus and one of the main reasons we came back against TCU.
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If you are going to cite me, at least get the citation correct and in context. Penzo made the All-Tournament team with Cox, Durr, Samuelson, and Whitaker (Canada). I didn't see the FIBA America games since they weren't televised.
I have made the comment that Cox is probably the only can't miss prospect. I just don't see a Breanna Stewart.
I watched Durr, Cox, and others in the games in Moscow, a year later. They were televised. In those games, Durr shot a lot, and missed a lot. In those games, Salvadores (Duke) absolutely destroyed her because of superior quickness and ball-handling ability.
I had not seen Penzo, and I don't think we can say that we have seen her yet. She is recovering from and ACL. Sherri said she was recruited because she makes things happen on the court. If you haven't noticed, she can thread a pass, and she can handle the ball. The quickness, or lack thereof, may have originated with Penzo who told an interviewer that her younger sister was quicker than she. I have seen no reports of her not being quick.
I just finished re-watching the game. It helps to watch the game while looking at the turning points, knowing where they come. Upon re-watch, I don't know that we won the game as much as TCU lost it. We really weren't that great as we pulled back into it. We had a nice run of about six that occurred in a hurry, fueled by steals by T'Ona and Peyton. Derica got a steal that helped. But, for the most part, we didn't shoot any better. But:
---TCU quit hitting. They ended up shooting below their averages
---we grabbed a huge lead in rebounding (when they quit hitting)
---Moore disappeared, and Kay Kay began to make those short shots
---we seemed to hit a few shots while TCU just went stone cold
====some of this was that we put someone on Zahna, and she cooled
====nobody else stepped up
---no one player stood out. It is more that everyone began to hustle
====each made contributions
---it held steady at down four. Once Peyton hit the three to bring it to one, it was really over. Kay Kay hit a short shot, T'Ona hit a layup, and Peyton hit an old-fashioned three, and it was suddenly 66-61. Then, Treece hit the three, 69-61. TCU hadn't even caught their breath, and they wouldn't. They just seemed to quit with about four minutes left.
---TCU quit hitting. They ended up shooting below their averages
---we grabbed a huge lead in rebounding (when they quit hitting)
---Moore disappeared, and Kay Kay began to make those short shots
---we seemed to hit a few shots while TCU just went stone cold
====some of this was that we put someone on Zahna, and she cooled
====nobody else stepped up
---no one player stood out. It is more that everyone began to hustle
====each made contributions
---it held steady at down four. Once Peyton hit the three to bring it to one, it was really over. Kay Kay hit a short shot, T'Ona hit a layup, and Peyton hit an old-fashioned three, and it was suddenly 66-61. Then, Treece hit the three, 69-61. TCU hadn't even caught their breath, and they wouldn't. They just seemed to quit with about four minutes left.
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True. Kinda reminded me of Washington game in Seattle.
At one point in the second half on the screen it showed TCU shooting 46 or 47% and we were at 38%. The game ended and both were at 41%. Also, we got to the FT line a lot, in spite of missing more than we should have. Seemed to get a lot of rebounds in the last few minutes (a part of that "we didn't believe we would lose" mentality).
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Our deficiency at the 2, Wyatt's solid play last night not-withstanding, is why I would move Gabbi to the two.
She can rebound better than Wyatt. She CAN shoot the 3 almost as good. I think she can drive to the basket, giving Edwards, Manning, Peyton and our bigs chances for open shots. That's something Wyatt can't really do.
When Gabbi's got it together, I think she plays as good as defense, or possibly a bit better, man defense than Wyatt. Gabby has just gone schizo recently, just like Peyton, Carter, and Eilenberg before her.
Think of Russell Westbrook and James Harden, or Westbrook and Cameron Payne. That's the guard duo I want on the floor. Gabbi and Edwards could have the same impact.
We have other guard alternatives and Manning could certainly fill a back up role for 5 to 10 minutes if necessary.
I think three bigs is enough for us to rotate and we do have Kellogg and the new girl who could give us a few minutes if necessary.
I don't know anything near as much as the staff, but I think my line-up could be a killer.
She can rebound better than Wyatt. She CAN shoot the 3 almost as good. I think she can drive to the basket, giving Edwards, Manning, Peyton and our bigs chances for open shots. That's something Wyatt can't really do.
When Gabbi's got it together, I think she plays as good as defense, or possibly a bit better, man defense than Wyatt. Gabby has just gone schizo recently, just like Peyton, Carter, and Eilenberg before her.
Think of Russell Westbrook and James Harden, or Westbrook and Cameron Payne. That's the guard duo I want on the floor. Gabbi and Edwards could have the same impact.
We have other guard alternatives and Manning could certainly fill a back up role for 5 to 10 minutes if necessary.
I think three bigs is enough for us to rotate and we do have Kellogg and the new girl who could give us a few minutes if necessary.
I don't know anything near as much as the staff, but I think my line-up could be a killer.
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