Parker from Bixby

[kellensooner]

Local kid, Jacob Parker from Bixby committed to Stephen F. Austin per Goodman. Bixby will have a chance to have 3 DI kids over the next two years with Parker and then the two juniors, Jacob Bittle and Sean Young. Parker is a very nice player at 6-7, just not very athletic. Bittle is similar to Parker, good skill and smart, just not very athletic.

 

[Tony]

Local kid, Jacob Parker from Bixby committed to Stephen F. Austin per Goodman. Bixby will have a chance to have 3 DI kids over the next two years with Parker and then the two juniors, Jacob Bittle and Sean Young. Parker is a very nice player at 6-7, just not very athletic. Bittle is similar to Parker, good skill and smart, just not very athletic.

Are you Kellen Sampson?

 

[McJacknife]

Are you Kellen Sampson?

Are you Tony Crocker?

 

[Seymore Cox]

Are you Kellen Sampson?

That's what it looks like.

 

[BigTime]

Local kid, Jacob Parker from Bixby committed to Stephen F. Austin per Goodman. Bixby will have a chance to have 3 DI kids over the next two years with Parker and then the two juniors, Jacob Bittle and Sean Young. Parker is a very nice player at 6-7, just not very athletic. Bittle is similar to Parker, good skill and smart, just not very athletic.

Good for Parker.

Sean Young is a guy who intrigues me. He can actually jump well for a big man and is decent at running the floor. Next summer will be a big one for him on the AAU circuit.

 

[brettromar]

Good for Parker.

Sean Young is a guy who intrigues me. He can actually jump well for a big man and is decent at running the floor. Next summer will be a big one for him on the AAU circuit.

Sean has a lot to overcome mentally to become a big time player. He gets mad too easily and needs to learn to control his emotions. He is still only a junior so he has time to do it.

Parker is a good jumper, he just isn't quick. You don't block him out, he will punch one back on your.

Bixby has a good chance to win the conference this year.
Jenks has a good move in.
Muskogee got a 6'6 kid from Kansas I heard.

The east side in basketball is going to be better than I thought this summer.

 

[5hrenergy]

Oh Scott Padek will screw them up. It was nice of Brummett to hook him up I suppose since Padek helped him at Jenks.

 

[stoops4pres]

Oh Scott Padek will screw them up.

Wouldn't shock me if so. Surprised he ended up moving to be coached under Padek.

 

[boksooner]

Hey 5hrenergy, trojan4life said step off.

 

[Seymore Cox]

It amazes me how all you anonymous critics can be so flippant and hurtful with your comments......5 hr energy.....your comments make me think you must have had a kid who played at Jenks or Catoosa, and either didn't get to play much or quit....i have followed Jenks sports for some time now, and I feel that your comments are comical..Let me correct some things..........Brummett was PADEK's assistant at Jenks, and it was Brummett who did a great job in bringing in an experienced, SUCCESSFUL coach to assist him and eventually replace him at Bixby.....Padek only AVERAGED around 19 wins a year for eleven years at Jenks and lost by maybe 1? in the state finals years ago.....who in 6A basketball has done that consistently? How many state championships did Jenks win in boys basketball before Padek got there? As good as a coach as Holliday was, even THEY didn't win it all ....Under Padek, Jenks was a stalwart in the Tournament of Champions finals, AND the state tourney during his tenure, but those administrators (who, by the way, make about 5 times his salary,....isn't doc Lehman now making over $250,000 now?) caved to a few parents whose kids or kids' friends didn't get to play.......and I am in NO WAY slamming Clay Martin....he's a good person and good coach, but what has Jenks done since Padek left....got HUMILIATED in the state finals a few years ago..??...Do you people out there know how tough it is to win it all in basketball?......look at Edison a couple of years ago.....surprised everybody by getting to the finals, lost by a few.....graduated almost no one from that team, and the next year, DON'T EVEN GET to the state tourney......It's tough....North Carolina wins it all one year, DOESN'T MAKE THE NCAA last year.....did Roy Williams suddenly become stupid??No way.....Padek's a basketall junkie...i see him all the time at oru games, tu games, high school games.......he loves it, and is a good coach and seems like a good person..why make that comment that he'll screw them up?? I believe
Bixby had a losing record the year before he got there, and i saw them on tv at the end of the season, and i think they had won something like 15? that's a turnaround.....and they almost won that regional game with a bunch of underclassmen...should be fun to watch this year........
And another thing to address regarding Parker.....I read scouting reports all the time, and this amazes me....Why is it that a good white player is described as "smart, fundamental, but not athletic", but a good black player is described as "athletic, but not fundamental"......why can't they just be good players??....A black kid dunks all over some team, and he's ATHLETIC!!, but a white kid dunks all over some team and he's "FUNDAMENTAL, SMART"....Why the semantics?? Can someone explain this to me??

You mad for real?!?!?

 

[kellensooner]

"And another thing to address regarding Parker.....I read scouting reports all the time, and this amazes me....Why is it that a good white player is described as "smart, fundamental, but not athletic", but a good black player is described as "athletic, but not fundamental"......why can't they just be good players??"

Parker is a very good player. My comment about him not being all that athletic has nothing to do with his skin color, I just don't think he has a lot of quickness. Nothing personal. I think Sean Young is extremely athletic for his size and he's white. He runs and jumps extremely well for someone his size and age.

BTW, I think Scott is a very good coach as well. I remember that '94 (I think) team that had Luke Allen and the big kid that went to Penn State and then A&M. He had some good teams there after that as well.

 

[Seymore Cox]

"And another thing to address regarding Parker.....I read scouting reports all the time, and this amazes me....Why is it that a good white player is described as "smart, fundamental, but not athletic", but a good black player is described as "athletic, but not fundamental"......why can't they just be good players??"

Parker is a very good player. My comment about him not being all that athletic has nothing to do with his skin color, I just don't think he has a lot of quickness. Nothing personal. I think Sean Young is extremely athletic for his size and he's white. He runs and jumps extremely well for someone his size and age.

BTW, I think Scott is a very good coach as well. I remember that '94 (I think) team that had Luke Allen and the big kid that went to Penn State and then A&M. He had some good teams there after that as well.

He had to be a good coach, because the kid that went to A&M turned out to be not that good. Aaron Jack.

 

[stoops4pres]

It amazes me how all you anonymous critics can be so flippant and hurtful with your comments......5 hr energy.....your comments make me think you must have had a kid who played at Jenks or Catoosa, and either didn't get to play much or quit....i have followed Jenks sports for some time now, and I feel that your comments are comical..Let me correct some things..........Brummett was PADEK's assistant at Jenks, and it was Brummett who did a great job in bringing in an experienced, SUCCESSFUL coach to assist him and eventually replace him at Bixby.....Padek only AVERAGED around 19 wins a year for eleven years at Jenks and lost by maybe 1? in the state finals years ago.....who in 6A basketball has done that consistently? How many state championships did Jenks win in boys basketball before Padek got there? As good as a coach as Holliday was, even THEY didn't win it all ....Under Padek, Jenks was a stalwart in the Tournament of Champions finals, AND the state tourney during his tenure, but those administrators (who, by the way, make about 5 times his salary,....isn't doc Lehman now making over $250,000 now?) caved to a few parents whose kids or kids' friends didn't get to play.......and I am in NO WAY slamming Clay Martin....he's a good person and good coach, but what has Jenks done since Padek left....got HUMILIATED in the state finals a few years ago..??...

As someone that has family that's working in Jenks' administration, I can say that him getting fired because they "caved to a few parents whose kids or kids' friends didn't get to play" is false.

The issue with Padek was that he had a penchant for driving players that belonged in the school district away from the program and to other schools, and this dated back to the 90's. Also, he had a problem with football players playing on the team as well, and occasionally they were some of the best athletes on the team. So while he was a solid coach, compared to the talent Padek had the potential to work with at the time he underachieved IMO. And this isn't just my view either, this is from former players that played under him as well.

He's a good person and I don't mind the guy, I heard he was a solid teacher at Jenks as well. I also respect that he went to Catoosa that had an abject program at the time he was hired, not many coaches are willing to do that. But objectively speaking, Padek had his share of issues.

One more thing... Jenks getting blown out by Putnam City in no way should fall on Martin. That team was way more talented, with one of the most gifted players to ever come out of the state of Oklahoma. I highly doubt Padek--or any other coach for that matter--would have had a better performance during that game.

 

[stoops4pres]

As I said before........Clay Martin is a good coach, and from what I know, a good person, and I stated that IN NO WAY was I slamming him for getting beat so badly in the state finals......I was only making the point that for the administration to get rid of a coach the quality of Padek and with the wins he had, AND to be a great teacher, doesn't seem right........he bled maroon and white.....what great football players did he not play??......you need to remember, stoops for pres.......with the success of the football team, many football players didn't even get to come out for basketball until mid december....that means they haven't touched a basketball since usually July, and the basketball players have been working since august, started practice in october, and usually play the tuesday night after the state finals in football...that's very little time to get first get into basketall shape, know the system, and be able to compete in 6A.....good athletes do not always make good BASKETBALL players...there's a lot more to basketball than being a good athlete, and many basketball players play year round on competitive teams, so they're better players than someone who plays for three months, and then is BACK IN THE WEIGHT ROOM getting ready for spring football........what football players did Jenks have that could have REALLY helped them win a state championship?? I remember Rocky Calmus was an excellent basketball player, but couldn't play because of a back injury.....can you name others??

I understand your perspective in that it is harder for football players (especially with the extended seasons that Jenks usually has) to adapt, but it isn't near the extent that you're implying it is. The majority of high school players that see their season extended into late November/early December would tell you the same. And I don't want to divulge into football players that would've helped but didn't play because of Padek's supposed-distaste for football players simply because I don't want to call out any names since I am friends with some of them, but there were a good bit of them that happened to. You can talk to anyone close to the program and administration and they would tell you the same.

I don't recall any......'as for players that moved away.....

Kelenna Azuibuike, Jason Parker (stand-out at TU), Wes Pitcock (think he is NSU's all-time scoring leader) and his younger brother Colin (big-time for Memorial as well) to name a few. Actually, Memorial had a stigma from around the area for stealing Jenks' players in the late 90's. And there may have been other reasons, but one of the prevailing ones was because of who was running the program.

I understand you getting his back as it was controversial for him being let go to some, but from someone that knows quite a bit about the other side of the situation, I can understand it. I hope he does well don't get me wrong, just saying that his release made sense to me IMO.

 

[brettromar]

I have known Wes for a long time and played on some teams with him. I didn't realize he left Jenks because of Scott. I will have to ask him about that.

However to say that Wes "moved" away is not correct. His parents to this day still live in Jenks.

Azuibuike lived ALL OVER THE PLACE. He lived in my neighborhood for a while and moved out in the middle of the night. I wouldn't put much stock into that one because Nonzo was at Victory and that was before Kelenna was even in Junior high.

When was JP a Jenks kid? He used to play with us at Memorial in the Tues/Thurs night pickup games. I think I was the only non memorial kid allowed in the gym at those times. JP was there as a young kid I think in 9th grade. When did he leave Jenks?

 

[brettromar]

By the way Rocky did play except for his senior season.

Brett Butley also play basketball for a while.

I think it was the Matt McCoy years that football players were getting mad at Scott.

Oh and football players can be just fine in basketball. They just are not full speed until after Christmas break. That is a good thing as it allows your team to peak at the right time.

Look at all the football players that have been on Union's teams the past 15 years and they have been as successful or more than any 6A team on the East side. 1 state title, 4 state finals appearances, 13 out of 16 years in the state tourney.

 

[stoops4pres]

I have known Wes for a long time and played on some teams with him. I didn't realize he left Jenks because of Scott. I will have to ask him about that.

However to say that Wes "moved" away is not correct. His parents to this day still live in Jenks.

Azuibuike lived ALL OVER THE PLACE. He lived in my neighborhood for a while and moved out in the middle of the night. I wouldn't put much stock into that one because Nonzo was at Victory and that was before Kelenna was even in Junior high.

When was JP a Jenks kid? He used to play with us at Memorial in the Tues/Thurs night pickup games. I think I was the only non memorial kid allowed in the gym at those times. JP was there as a young kid I think in 9th grade. When did he leave Jenks?

I included KA as one of the guys who didn't attend Jenks when they could have, not necessarily included him in the discussion of avoiding Padek as much as the others. Just saying that I believe the administration felt that they could have another coach that could keep the players from leaving the school district and wanting to stay in Jenks' program. In that case, to KA.

And I know he had an unstable living situation, but for quite some time he lived in the South Tulsa district (know this to be a fact, because they lived a few blocks down from my family).

With JP, I was always told from the Memorial circles that he was supposed to go to Jenks but opted to move to Memorial either in his 8th or 9th grade year.

As for the Pitcock's, I know the Pitcocks didn't "move" away per se, but the sons did move away from Jenks to Memorial (school wise). And I know that the Pitcocks had an appreciation for the Sprague's and Rich's, but I'm pretty sure it was also because of Padek. I will see the Pitcock family next summer at a wedding in South Carolina, will ask them more about it.

That's crazy you played in Memorial's pick-ups, used to play there frequently during the summer's. I'm sure we probably played against each other a time or two.

 

[stoops4pres]

By the way Rocky did play except for his senior season.

Brett Butley also play basketball for a while.

I think it was the Matt McCoy years that football players were getting mad at Scott.

Yeah, Brett Butler's/Matt McCoy's classes (think they were a year apart) were the ones were the frustration started, to my knowledge.

Oh and football players can be just fine in basketball. They just are not full speed until after Christmas break. That is a good thing as it allows your team to peak at the right time.

Look at all the football players that have been on Union's teams the past 15 years and they have been as successful or more than any 6A team on the East side. 1 state title, 4 state finals appearances, 13 out of 16 years in the state tourney.

Exactly.

 

[trojan4life]

I am not saying that you can't be successful with football players on a basketball team....I have definitely seen some great football players that contributed to their basketball team's success ie. Union, BTW,.....but, in Jenks at the time, Padek had football kids quit because they were used to being studs in football, playing every down, and didn't want to wait until after christmas to play.....many quit before they had a chance to see if they could contribute later in the season....a coach has to play the best team he has at the time, and in many years, the best team before christmas didn't include football players.....they weren't willing to be patient and see if they would get to play as the season rolled on.....were they playing in the summer?? were they coming to open gym throughout the summer?? i don't know, i only know of a few who might have contributed IF they had stuck it out and put more time into basketball.....as far as kids moving away.......KA started kindergarten at Victory......Pitcock played summer aau ball with the memorial kids, built relationships with them, and eventually went to play with them at the URGING of Memorial coaches........I don't know about the Parker kid....We could do this all day......I just think Jenks treated a good coach and loyal trojan with an outstanding record poorly......I don't even understand how anyone can say he UNDERACHEIVED.......I think most coaches want to play any kid they think can help them win, and wouldn't care if they played twenty different sports.......To say that Padek didn't like football players is unjust....and since you know the administrators at Jenks, stoops, you might ask them......did they ever hear Scott say he didn't like football players.?.....No coach would keep good players off the floor just because they played other sports....Did they ever ASK him about his reasoning, or just go on the word of a few people?.....You said yourself a SUPPOSED distaste for football players....and no coach makes everyone happy....i imagine in 11 years, he probably coached upwards of at least 80-100 players....what about them?......to base a decision to fire a guy on the opinions of a few is wrong.........

 

[stoops4pres]

I am not saying that you can't be successful with football players on a basketball team....I have definitely seen some great football players that contributed to their basketball team's success ie. Union, BTW,.....but, in Jenks at the time, Padek had football kids quit because they were used to being studs in football, playing every down, and didn't want to wait until after christmas to play.....many quit before they had a chance to see if they could contribute later in the season....a coach has to play the best team he has at the time, and in many years, the best team before christmas didn't include football players.....they weren't willing to be patient and see if they would get to play as the season rolled on.....were they playing in the summer?? were they coming to open gym throughout the summer?? i don't know, i only know of a few who might have contributed IF they had stuck it out and put more time into basketball.....as far as kids moving away.......KA started kindergarten at Victory......Pitcock played summer aau ball with the memorial kids, built relationships with them, and eventually went to play with them at the URGING of Memorial coaches........I don't know about the Parker kid....We could do this all day......I just think Jenks treated a good coach and loyal trojan with an outstanding record poorly......I don't even understand how anyone can say he UNDERACHEIVED.......I think most coaches want to play any kid they think can help them win, and wouldn't care if they played twenty different sports.......To say that Padek didn't like football players is unjust....and since you know the administrators at Jenks, stoops, you might ask them......did they ever hear Scott say he didn't like football players.?.....No coach would keep good players off the floor just because they played other sports....Did they ever ASK him about his reasoning, or just go on the word of a few people?.....You said yourself a SUPPOSED distaste for football players....and no coach makes everyone happy....i imagine in 11 years, he probably coached upwards of at least 80-100 players....what about them?......to base a decision to fire a guy on the opinions of a few is wrong.........

I'm not going to delve into all these questions specifically on the board, you can PM me if you want to know more stuff (which I can't promise I'll answer entirely correctly--since some is just heresay--or will answer regardless for the respect of the ones you're asking about). Just know that I don't necessarily believe ALL the criticisms of Padek were categorically fair, its just what I had always heard (and that includes some former players that played for him).

IMO, it seems like you're view is too subjective on the matter, when the point of my initial response was to let you know there were two sides. When you said he was let go because Jenks caved to parents of kids or kids' friends that weren't seeing any playing time, the entire point of my rebuttal was to let you know that that aforementioned theory couldn't have been further from the truth. Furthermore, there were other reasons (a few I went into, a few I didn't) that some may feel was warranted for his release. You may disagree with that--everyone's entitled to their opinion--but just know that he wasn't let go simply because he didn't defer to parents who's kids weren't seeing any playing time.