Pastner could be cure for what ails OU >>> The Oklahoman

[skyvue]

These threads certainly go south in a hurry, don't they?

When, in your opinion, did it go south? When someone trashed the city of Memphis, or when that post was countered?

 

[One More Rebound]

Actually, you got more than that. Better reread -- you don't want to miss anything!

Well, Sky, you did have to go back and edit your post. Just saying...


Back to the original premise: Pastner is golden. He's young, charismatic, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, tireless recruiter, has extensive ties in the fertile recruiting bed of Texas. I'm not supporting the guy, but what are the negatives?

 

[skyvue]

Back to the original premise: Pastner is golden. He's young, charismatic, doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, tireless recruiter, has extensive ties in the fertile recruiting bed of Texas. I'm not supporting the guy, but what are the negatives?

He hasn't actually accomplished that much as a coach yet, has he?

I'm not all that certain I want us to hire a really young coach this time around. We were asked with Capel to be patient while he learned lessons as a young coach, and I don't really want to see us paying another neophyte to learn on the job.

Mind you, I would hope any coach approaches the game with the attitude that he still has much to learn, but give me a guy in his forties who's been at this a while.

 

[One More Rebound]

He hasn't actually accomplished that much as a coach yet, has he?

I'm not all that certain I want us to hire a really young coach this time around. We were asked with Capel to be patient while he learned lessons as a young coach, and I don't really want to see us paying another neophyte to learn on the job.

Mind you, I would hope any coach approaches the game with the attitude that he still has much to learn, but give me a guy in his forties who's been at this a while.

Youth would be his only negative. A more experienced coach might not have the necessary energy to rebuild this program. It's a delicate balance, but we don't want a coach who is too old either...

 

[scrybe]

When, in your opinion, did it go south? When someone trashed the city of Memphis, or when that post was countered?

Neither. It was when it stopped being a discussion about Pastner/coaching and evolved into a pissing contest about which city is most dangerous.

 

[skyvue]

Youth would be his only negative. A more experienced coach might not have the necessary energy to rebuild this program. It's a delicate balance, but we don't want a coach who is too old either...

I agree, but it's not just youth in Pastner's case -- it's the lack of a track record.

scrybe, for my part, I wasn't trying to get into a pissing contest about which city was more dangerous. Quite the opposite -- I was calling into question the too-frequent practice of trashing other cities and states.

 

[scrybe]

I agree, but it's not just youth in Pastner's case -- it's the lack of a track record.

scrybe, for my part, I wasn't trying to get into a pissing contest about which city was more dangerous. Quite the opposite -- I was calling into question the too-frequent practice of trashing other cities and states.

Fair enough. Still, I long for a return to the days (when this board was young) when every discussion didn't automatically turn into one angry exchange after another.

But, then again, I don't make the rules.

 

[One More Rebound]

I agree, but it's not just youth in Pastner's case -- it's the lack of a track record.

Unless he nabs an assistant coach from a major basketball power, I'm not sure Joe C has the money to grab a coach with a proven track record. We'll have to sacrifice something somewhere, but we absolutely have to have a coach who can sign prospects out of Texas. We can't compete with the big boys nation wide for prospects, but with the right coach, we can get enough top prospects from Texas to compete...

 

[NickZepp]

Unless he nabs an assistant coach from a major basketball power, I'm not sure Joe C has the money to grab a coach with a proven track record. We'll have to sacrifice something somewhere, but we absolutely have to have a coach who can sign prospects out of Texas. We can't compete with the big boys nation wide for prospects, but with the right coach, we can get enough top prospects from Texas to compete...

I think Capel thought he could recruit well enough to run a read and react system based on great talent. Well fact is that we didn't get that type of talent overall. I think we need a coach that can recruit this region first and have some JUCO roots to fill in some roles.

 

[skyvue]

Still, I long for a return to the days (when this board was young) when every discussion didn't automatically turn into one angry exchange after another.

I'm with you.

 

[campbest]

Fair enough. Still, I long for a return to the days (when this board was young) when every discussion didn't automatically turn into one angry exchange after another.

But, then again, I don't make the rules.

I don't think the arguments are that bad, people just take it too personally.

 

[Big Old Booger]

He hasn't actually accomplished that much as a coach yet, has he?

I'm not all that certain I want us to hire a really young coach this time around. We were asked with Capel to be patient while he learned lessons as a young coach, and I don't really want to see us paying another neophyte to learn on the job.

Mind you, I would hope any coach approaches the game with the attitude that he still has much to learn, but give me a guy in his forties who's been at this a while.

This.

I'm not a big fan of hiring Pastner because I don't want to go thru the growing pains of a young coach. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.

Sky -- you are an incredibly good writer. My goal from this point forward on this message board is to not get into an argument with you. If you disagree with a post of mine, I would just ask you send me a PM so I don't get publicly embarrassed.

 

[StoopsBros]

Wrong, Norman is desirable. Money magazine listed it in the top US small cities.

Understandable.

Let's say you get hired to coach the Tigers @ $1.3 mill per, would you be living close to Beale Street or would you be living in Bartlett (for example)? Bartlett is much like Broken Arrow (Tulsa) or Edmond (OKC), in regards to being a great family setting with no virtual crime rate. OKC, Tulsa and Memphis all have what you'd call "dumps". A coach like Pastner doesn't live in that "dump" though and is living a plush existence. If he's been to the rough part of Memphis, it was probably to recruit.

Regarding Norman, it's absolutely a nice place if you're an Okie, but let's not kid ourselves, Oklahoma is culturally behind a lot of Americana. As great as our football team is, it's still hard to pull in the national kids . What's the knock in a lot of instances? Normally the kid(s) will state that the area is too boring.

This is all conjectured talk though. If you're making millions, I'd contend that you'd fine a piece of paradise in any locale.

 

[Dr Sleep]

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[Dr Sleep]

To paraphrase joakim Noah..." you never hear of anyone wantin to vacation in Norman, Oklahoma."

Get real. Norman is not something that's going to bring a coach here or be the deciding factor. It's a large college town in Oklahoma. That's it.

If vacationing at your house was important, then Hawaii and the virgin islands would have the best basketball teams.

Norman is rated so very high because of its live-ability. Go look it up if you don't believe me.

 

[Dr Sleep]

Hey, OKC ranks worse than many cities in crime statistics, so where does that leave us?

Reducing the quality of life to a mathematical equation based on 10 cherry-picked categories is just something to fill the pages of a magazine. If the Forbes people didn't live in those cities, they can't possibly have any idea what it's like to live in them. New York, statistically, is MUCH safer than OKC -- are all y'all gonna head up this way now? (I would encourage you to do so, actually, but I'm not expecting a mass exodus.)

Our list of America's Most Miserable Cities goes a step further: We consider a total of 10 factors, things that people gripe about around the water cooler every day. Most are serious issues, including unemployment, crime and taxes. A few we factor in are not as critical, but still elevate people's blood pressure, like the weather, commute times and how the local sports team is doing.

Can you sum up your love of OKC (or wherever you live) using those categories -- unemployment, crime, taxes, weather, commute times? Those factors may impact a person's feelings about the town they live in, sure, but they don't BEGIN to tell the whole story.

And, by the way, here's a Forbes list of most dangerous cities from Oct. 2010:


The Country’s Most Dangerous Cities
1. Memphis, Tenn.
2. St. Louis, Mo.
3. Kansas City, Mo.
4. Detroit, Mi.
5. Miami, Fla.
6. Tulsa, Okla.
7. Nashville-Davidson, Tenn.
8. Indianapolis, Ind.
9. Oklahoma City, Okla.
10. Stockton, Calif.

Oklahoma with two cities in the top ten? Maybe it's time for OU fans to drop their sanctimonious attitudes toward other cities and states.

And lest anyone think I'm picking on Oklahoma, I don't mean to be. I'm a very proud son of the Sooner State. But citing a Forbes study to trash another city when your own city has similar problems is disingenuous at best.

My points from above stand: Merely citing crimes stats don't begin to tell the story of regarding the quality of life in Oklahoma; we all know that. But they don't tell the story of life in Memphis, either.

What was Norman rated?

 

[Tony]

I don't think the arguments are that bad, people just take it too personally.

Yeah. I like everyone on this board. Carrying around bitterness and grudges will just weigh down your soul. It's no way to go through life.

 

[Romulus]

Yeah. I like everyone on this board. Carrying around bitterness and grudges will just weigh down your soul. It's no way to go through life.

I agree plus Memphis is a cesspool

 

[MercedeSooner]

Bring Bill Ball back. Hire JP.

 

[coolm]

he's pretty cute. if I dug men I might wanna date him.

basketball coach? heavens no.