Pastner could be cure for what ails OU >>> The Oklahoman

[Romulus]

Memphis is comprised of mainly undesirable parts

 

[seniorsooner]

So you're more concerned with being the BMOC than actual program success, if that's the criteria Memphis is definitely better.

OU b-ball all time record: 1,511-960 (.611)
Memphis all time record: 1,406-820 (.632)

Final Four appearances: OU 4, Memphis 3

Elite 8 appearances: OU 8, Memphis 6

Sweet 16s: OU 8, Memphis 11

Tourney appearances: OU 27, Memphis 23

Conf tourney champs: OU 7, Memphis 9

Conf regular season champs: OU 15, Memphis 12

Seems fairly comparable to me. When it comes to established recruiting base and fanbase, it isn't comparable: Memphis is the winner, hands down.

 

[StoopsBros]

So you're more concerned with being the BMOC than actual program success, if that's the criteria Memphis is definitely better.

Well, no not me personally, but do national recruits care about what Tisdale was doing back in the day? No, they care about the current "hype" surrounding the team's program in the here and now. If we're having a historical debate, OU wins in a landslide. On the point, Memphis' bball program offers everything OU's can and more. Memphis (bball) offers a competitive salary (as much as OU), easy conference, #1 show in town, recent success(es), lower academic standards, nice arena, huge fanbase, etc, etc. It's a coach's dream. Would you rather face Tulsa, Tulane, Utep or Mizzou, Kansas, Texas? Memphis had a poor year and still limped into the tourney.

Memphis is a GREAT job right now. Again, if we're talking 1988, OU is the GREAT job.

Norman isn't that desirable either, so I wouldn't cast stones if you've never visited Memphis. I'd stay in Norman myself, but I'm red dirt. Memphis does indeed posses some nice 'burbs.

 

[stanley11]

Memphis is a septic tank of city, of course people would want to leave there. Memphis BB is not near the job OU is. Memphis has had very good success lately, but that was due to Calipari and lots of cheating. In the same time, OU made it to the great 8 with its worst coach in 4 decades. Memphis <<<<OU

Memphis is a very good job, but not a great one any more. Conference USA is fading from relevance. They have put only two teams in the Big Dance the past two years, and last season only because Houston won the tourney.

With his ties to Texas, as well as having recruited the South while at Memphis and the West while at Arizona, Pastner could actually be a very good choice.

Football may always be king around here, but Ohio State and Florida have proven that schools can do both with the right coaches, resources, administration, and fan support.

 

[StatGeek]

OU b-ball all time record: 1,511-960 (.611)
Memphis all time record: 1,406-820 (.632)

Final Four appearances: OU 4, Memphis 3

Elite 8 appearances: OU 8, Memphis 6

Sweet 16s: OU 8, Memphis 11

Tourney appearances: OU 27, Memphis 23

Conf tourney champs: OU 7, Memphis 9

Conf regular season champs: OU 15, Memphis 12

Seems fairly comparable to me. When it comes to established recruiting base and fanbase, it isn't comparable: Memphis is the winner, hands down.

So if Memphis' recruiting base is so much better Why has OU enjoyed, in your words comparable results. Of course OU has more tourney appearances, final fours, etc. While competing in a legitimate conference.
Like I said Memphis being a better job is debatable, it depends on what's important to you. As a final note I wonder how the upcoming Sooner Channel impacts the value of the mens HC position at OU?


I apologize for the structure of this post I'm on my iPad right now

 

[NickZepp]

OU's had Kelvin Sampson and Billy Tubbs and is in a major conference.

 

[boksooner]

I posted this in another thread, but I think Pastner would be a honerun hire, but he will only leave Memphis for Arizona or a top ten job.

 

[StatGeek]

I posted this in another thread, but I think Pastner would be a honerun hire, but he will only leave Memphis for Arizona or a top ten job.

you're probably right.

 

[Dr Sleep]

Norman isn't that desirable either, so I wouldn't cast stones if you've never visited Memphis. I'd stay in Norman myself, but I'm red dirt. Memphis does indeed posses some nice 'burbs.

Wrong, Norman is desirable. Money magazine listed it in the top US small cities.

 

[skyvue]

I'm always intrigued (and,honestly, embarrassed) to see OU fans blithely criticize another city or state (and it happens often during discussions like these. Civic pride's a fine thing, but to be proud of one's hometown is one thing; to trash other cities is quite another.

I'm no expert on Memphis, but I've spent a little time there as a tourist, and I found nothing about the town that would lead me to think of it as "cesspool." I mean, that's some extreme denigration right there. I had a fine time in Memphis. I was treated well, there was plenty to do there, and the food was great.

I'm fully aware that being a tourist and a resident are two different things, but if someone who had visited neither city asked me where they should spend a week of vacation, OKC/Norman or Memphis, I would have to say Memphis.

Again, nice places to visit aren't always the best places to live -- I understand that -- but I experienced nothing during my stay in Memphis that led me to believe it wouldn't be a perfectly fine place to live.

Honestly, folks, if you have to knock another town to make your own city look good, something's wrong. It just sounds vindictive and bitter. A city should have enough to recommend it without trashing another city, or it's a losing battle, I'm afraid.

 

[SoonerWarVet]

OU is definitely a better gig than Memphis. Better conference, better history, better success!! Granted OU is a football school, but that didn't stop Billy or Sampson from continually being one of the top two teams in the Big 8/12. I just don't get the wide-spread argurment on here that OU is a step down from many schools (i.e. Memphis, Marquette, etc.). Short memories?

 

[Soonerman]

Wrong, Norman is desirable. Money magazine listed it in the top US small cities.

To paraphrase joakim Noah..." you never hear of anyone wantin to vacation in Norman, Oklahoma."

Get real. Norman is not something that's going to bring a coach here or be the deciding factor. It's a large college town in Oklahoma. That's it.

 

[One More Rebound]

I'm always intrigued (and,honestly, embarrassed) to see OU fans blithely criticize another city or state (and it happens often during discussions like these. Civic pride's a fine thing, but to be proud of one's hometown is one thing; to trash other cities is quite another.

I'm no expert on Memphis, but I've spent a little time there as a tourist, and I found nothing about the town that would lead me to think of it as "cesspool." I mean, that's some extreme denigration right there. I had a fine time in Memphis. I was treated well, there was plenty to do there, and the food was great.

I'm fully aware that being a tourist and a resident are two different things, but if someone who had visited neither city asked me where they should spend a week of vacation, OKC/Norman or Memphis, I would have to say Memphis.

Again, nice places to visit aren't always the best places to live -- I understand that -- but I experienced nothing during my stay in Memphis that led me to believe it wouldn't be a perfectly fine place to live.

Honestly, folks, if you have to knock another town to make your own city look good, something's wrong. It just sounds vindictive and bitter. A city should have enough to recommend it without trashing another city, or it's a losing battle, I'm afraid.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/apr/26/citys-no-2-with-a-bullet/

Forbes ranked Memphis as the second most dangerous city in the US in 2009, only bowing to Detroit. Perhaps you should just be thankful you survived that vacation...

 

[skyvue]

Hey, OKC ranks worse than many cities in crime statistics, so where does that leave us?

Reducing the quality of life to a mathematical equation based on 10 cherry-picked categories is just something to fill the pages of a magazine. If the Forbes people didn't live in those cities, they can't possibly have any idea what it's like to live in them. New York, statistically, is MUCH safer than OKC -- are all y'all gonna head up this way now? (I would encourage you to do so, actually, but I'm not expecting a mass exodus.)

Our list of America's Most Miserable Cities goes a step further: We consider a total of 10 factors, things that people gripe about around the water cooler every day. Most are serious issues, including unemployment, crime and taxes. A few we factor in are not as critical, but still elevate people's blood pressure, like the weather, commute times and how the local sports team is doing.

Can you sum up your love of OKC (or wherever you live) using those categories -- unemployment, crime, taxes, weather, commute times? Those factors may impact a person's feelings about the town they live in, sure, but they don't BEGIN to tell the whole story.

And, by the way, here's a Forbes list of most dangerous cities from Oct. 2010:


The Country’s Most Dangerous Cities
1. Memphis, Tenn.
2. St. Louis, Mo.
3. Kansas City, Mo.
4. Detroit, Mi.
5. Miami, Fla.
6. Tulsa, Okla.
7. Nashville-Davidson, Tenn.
8. Indianapolis, Ind.
9. Oklahoma City, Okla.
10. Stockton, Calif.

Oklahoma with two cities in the top ten? Maybe it's time for OU fans to drop their sanctimonious attitudes toward other cities and states.

And lest anyone think I'm picking on Oklahoma, I don't mean to be. I'm a very proud son of the Sooner State. But citing a Forbes study to trash another city when your own city has similar problems is disingenuous at best.

My points from above stand: Merely citing crimes stats don't begin to tell the story of regarding the quality of life in Oklahoma; we all know that. But they don't tell the story of life in Memphis, either.

 

[One More Rebound]

I got four paragraphs out of you. That's enough for me...

 

[sooner8]

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[Tundrasooner]

I agree with sky mostly.
But Memphis is a place I would never go back to or not want to go back to.

 

[scrybe]

These threads certainly go south in a hurry, don't they?

 

[AdaSooner]

Why would Pastner leave Memphis for anywhere that's not Duke or Carolina or maybe Kentucky? Memphis is a better job than OU.

Agreed. Memphis is a better job for one reason: Attendance. The Tigers were ranked 7th nationally last season with an average attendance of 16,498, and 5th nationally in total attendance. Those are numbers OU will dream about but never achieve.

 

[skyvue]

I got four paragraphs out of you. That's enough for me...

Actually, you got more than that. Better reread -- you don't want to miss anything!