Porter MF Moser!!

[hoopsaustin]

Lon is a far far better coach then PM ... .

That also goes for like 90% of the current d1 coaches in the country

 

[cowboysooner]

Wichita, while it is correct that he hasn't fielded an NCAA team in the last 3 years, and likely won't this year, it isn't true that he hasn't put a team on the court worthy of an NCAA tournament team in the last three years or this year for that matter. OU has had an NCAA quality team in 2 of the last 3 years (last team left out twice, mostly due to end of year conference tourney results). Like him or not, this team would be easily be in the top half of most every conference in the Country this year. Our non-con record plainly demonstrates that fact.

Like Venables, he became a major conference coach just when the college sports world turned upside down and the success or failure of a team couldn't be entirely placed on a coach, as it could historically. Now there are a ton of factors that play into the issue (donor money and administration approach to NIL). Plus, NIL and unlimited free agency, has made college sports nothing more than a feeder league to the pros and mostly dependent on your payroll for players. For administrators, it is virtually impossible to assess how a coach that is at first given no budget and required to field an amateur team in a pro league (from scratch), and then play with a team on a G-league salary basis that is required to play in the big show. Tough on coaches and tough on administrators. Some have adjusted better and many with less money have adjusted slower.

Regardless of budget, Moser will have to ultimately perform, but given the new environment, and circumstances outside of his control, I think patience is warranted. I believe OU will give him a couple years in the SEC and then assess it from there. Seems fair to me. I don't know Moser but from afar he seems like a really good dude. He is a proven coach (i didn't say elite). He has proven he can win given the right players. This can't be argued fairly. Can he get the right players at OU -- not yet and to be seen.

Now, like his critics on this board, I personally don't like a lot of things about the way he coaches. He is far from my favorite coach. So, I get the complaints and say many of the same things in private. But, I still believe that he hasn't had a fair chance to show what he can do with this program (whether I prefer the method or not) as he hasn't had the funds and time to get competitive frontcourt players. It looks like next years team will, or at least should, have a far more competitive frontcourt than this year.

Some of you guys seem to get pretty heated about your desire to move on from porter, and that tells me that we have fans that care about the program and desperately want it to be good. That is a good thing. I may have the same opinion of the job Moser has done as some of you, but I'm in the boat that fairness dictates he should get another year. I'm old enough that I have long let go of the idea that I think OU should move on from coaches that don't do things the way I like, and now I am content if they are generally successful however they do/coach it.

For example, I loved Sampson, supported his being the coach, and was upset with OU essentially running him off over a few telephone calls in a sport where many of the top programs he competed against were plainly cheating and buying players (legally and illegally). Texas used to pay dad's of key recruits up to $25,000 just o work their camps. Other blue bloods paid even more, and OU admin refused to give Kelvin the money to play this game. This being said, I hated how Kelvin's teams played. We played mug ball and I detest it. But, if it was up to me, he would still be the coach. My favorite coach of all time was billy tubbs. My second favorite coach (related to style of play) was Capel. Billy left because we refused to pay him and he doubled his salary at TCU. Capel was let go.

 

[Boom Soon]

Here is a number that is relevant: 23-42. That's his record in conference games since becoming a power conference coach. He is barely winning over a third of his games. That is astonishingly bad.

It’s so sad how low our standards have fallen. I can’t believe there are people still making excuses for PM.

 

[WichitaSooner]

It’s so sad how low our standards have fallen. I can’t believe there are people still making excuses for PM.

Yep. New excuses every year. First, it was the allegedly depleted roster when Lon retired. Then, Covid. Then, NIL fan support, arena, etc. Now, apparently the new league is an excuse, as if we just moved from the MEAC to the NBA without warning. I love how the furthest his supporters will go is saying "we need to do better," but won't ever just come out and admit that it has been awful. Again, dude is losing nearly two out of every three games against his own league.

 

[Boom Soon]

Yep. New excuses every year. First, it was the allegedly depleted roster when Lon retired. Then, Covid. Then, NIL fan support, arena, etc. Now, apparently the new league is an excuse, as if we just moved from the MEAC to the NBA without warning. I love how the furthest his supporters will go is saying "we need to do better," but won't ever just come out and admit that it has been awful. Again, dude is losing nearly two out of every three games against his own league.

He’s had the time, he’s had the talent on campus, he’s gotten pretty decent fan support when he’s really needed it, and he still can’t perform. Maybe he would eventually make the tournament in year six or seven but this is OU, not Loyola.

 

[Boom Soon]

Wichita, while it is correct that he hasn't fielded an NCAA team in the last 3 years, and likely won't this year, it isn't true that he hasn't put a team on the court worthy of an NCAA tournament team in the last three years or this year for that matter. OU has had an NCAA quality team in 2 of the last 3 years (last team left out twice, mostly due to end of year conference tourney results). Like him or not, this team would be easily be in the top half of most every conference in the Country this year. Our non-con record plainly demonstrates that fact.

Like Venables, he became a major conference coach just when the college sports world turned upside down and the success or failure of a team couldn't be entirely placed on a coach, as it could historically. Now there are a ton of factors that play into the issue (donor money and administration approach to NIL). Plus, NIL and unlimited free agency, has made college sports nothing more than a feeder league to the pros and mostly dependent on your payroll for players. For administrators, it is virtually impossible to assess how a coach that is at first given no budget and required to field an amateur team in a pro league (from scratch), and then play with a team on a G-league salary basis that is required to play in the big show. Tough on coaches and tough on administrators. Some have adjusted better and many with less money have adjusted slower.

Regardless of budget, Moser will have to ultimately perform, but given the new environment, and circumstances outside of his control, I think patience is warranted. I believe OU will give him a couple years in the SEC and then assess it from there. Seems fair to me. I don't know Moser but from afar he seems like a really good dude. He is a proven coach (i didn't say elite). He has proven he can win given the right players. This can't be argued fairly. Can he get the right players at OU -- not yet and to be seen.

Now, like his critics on this board, I personally don't like a lot of things about the way he coaches. He is far from my favorite coach. So, I get the complaints and say many of the same things in private. But, I still believe that he hasn't had a fair chance to show what he can do with this program (whether I prefer the method or not) as he hasn't had the funds and time to get competitive frontcourt players. It looks like next years team will, or at least should, have a far more competitive frontcourt than this year.

Some of you guys seem to get pretty heated about your desire to move on from porter, and that tells me that we have fans that care about the program and desperately want it to be good. That is a good thing. I may have the same opinion of the job Moser has done as some of you, but I'm in the boat that fairness dictates he should get another year. I'm old enough that I have long let go of the idea that I think OU should move on from coaches that don't do things the way I like, and now I am content if they are generally successful however they do/coach it.

For example, I loved Sampson, supported his being the coach, and was upset with OU essentially running him off over a few telephone calls in a sport where many of the top programs he competed against were plainly cheating and buying players (legally and illegally). Texas used to pay dad's of key recruits up to $25,000 just o work their camps. Other blue bloods paid even more, and OU admin refused to give Kelvin the money to play this game. This being said, I hated how Kelvin's teams played. We played mug ball and I detest it. But, if it was up to me, he would still be the coach. My favorite coach of all time was billy tubbs. My second favorite coach (related to style of play) was Capel. Billy left because we refused to pay him and he doubled his salary at TCU. Capel was let go.

It would appear that you are the last bastion of optimism for PM. I respect that. Maybe you’re right.

 

[TINY]

Not what I've heard fwiw. I've heard they are actively crunching the numbers.

But bc of venables' past failings and their consideration of his possible repeat failure and then firing next year, bball would def take a backseat in that scenario.

The football coach is further along on the chopping block to be sure. That would require roughly $50million after all the buyouts and new coach is hired.

 

[TINY]

He’s had the time, he’s had the talent on campus, he’s gotten pretty decent fan support when he’s really needed it, and he still can’t perform. Maybe he would eventually make the tournament in year six or seven but this is OU, not Loyola.

His fan support has been the worst in 2 conferences now. Maybe okie state’s was worse under boynton but at least their arena is nicer than ou’s.

 

[Boom Soon]

His fan support has been the worst in 2 conferences now. Maybe okie state’s was worse under boynton but at least their arena is nicer than ou’s.

Oh I agree the fan support hasn't been where we would all like it. But, he's had good crowds in the big games that he's needed to win. The problem is every time he has a chance to gain some momentum his teams crap the bed.

 

[daqman]

It’s so sad how low our standards have fallen. I can’t believe there are people still making excuses for PM.

i made excuses for moser last year and it's still obvious he doesn't have the roster to compete for a conference title.
if that isn't a nil issue....i don't know what else it could be.
that said....i think we have the roster to win games at home like the a&m and texas games. losing those ...imo...shows moser just doesn't have the coaching skills required at this level.

 

[hoopsaustin]

i made excuses for moser last year and it's still obvious he doesn't have the roster to compete for a conference title.
if that isn't a nil issue....i don't know what else it could be.
that said....i think we have the roster to win games at home like the a&m and texas games. losing those ...imo...shows moser just doesn't have the coaching skills required at this level.

You, cowboysooner, and everyone else that keeps saying we don't have the talent/roster/nil to do x or y, how do you reconcile that uzan and oweh (oweh is killing it btw) start for top 10 teams now? It can't be anything other than pm's coaching, agreed?

I can agree that moser has never has the requisite big man talent (tanner Groves being our best so far under pm). Which is also still pm's fault, bc we have some guys on scholly that will never play and I will never understand for the life of me why he won't process them and take all the fliers he can on 5s from the portal, HS, or Juco.

 

[WaymanFan]

Confusing post is confusing

Only if the terms "fraud" and "unsuccessful" have the exact same meaning. While I realize "fraud" has a slightly different meaning as a coach than as a corporate executive, it doesn't equate to being unsuccessful unless that coach comes across like some sort of "snake-oil salesman". I haven't seen any evidence of that. I wish Coach Moser won more games at OU...and his record against Texas is troubling at best. It hasn't been a successful tenure to this point. We all know that even though some like to remind us in every thread as if any of us are too stupid to figure it out on ourselves. And if he is fired at the end of the year, all those who chose to remind us in every thread literally accomplished nothing...he would have been fired anyway...and not one single person will have changed their opinion on Moser based on anything other than his won-loss record.

As for me, if Moser is fired, I'm putting 50% of that blame on Joe C for not putting him in a better position to win...but Moser has to own not keeping his best players and losing games he had no business losing (like aTm earlier this month).

 

[daqman]

You, cowboysooner, and everyone else that keeps saying we don't have the talent/roster/nil to do x or y, how do you reconcile that uzan and oweh (oweh is killing it btw) start for top 10 teams now? It can't be anything other than pm's coaching, agreed?

I can agree that moser has never has the requisite big man talent (tanner Groves being our best so far under pm). Which is also still pm's fault, bc we have some guys on scholly that will never play and I will never understand for the life of me why he won't process them and take all the fliers he can on 5s from the portal, HS, or Juco.

last season i believed...and said....we had talented but young guards. moser seems to struggle with chemistry issues....especially amongst younger players....which is why i think we saw such promise from oweh/uzan early last season....that turned into such a dumpster fire by end of season.
doesn't surprise me oweh is doing well...wish he would have stayed. which is another legitimate knock on moser. he recruits some pretty good talent....but he has to retain it.
moser has yet to land a big12/sec quality starting center. blame whatever you choose but it seems to me to be a nil issue.
wrt cutting guys and taking flyers on 5s......i'm not going to second guess his evaluations. it seems he tried his best and was in the running for multiple talented 5s that went elsewhere for more money or higher profile programs. he ended up with wague. seems counterproductive to take shots in the dark and hope for the best.

 

[TINY]

Moser has a similar issue as Venables in that they play the Johnny try hard in practice over the better talented athletes. It costs us games every year. Play your best players or you will be getting a pink slip. It’s not hard to understand.

 

[soonertrash77]

Moser has a similar issue as Venables in that they play the Johnny try hard in practice over the better talented athletes. It costs us games every year. Play your best players or you will be getting a pink slip. It’s not hard to understand.

This! IMO I just don’t think PM really knows what a truly athletic basketball player looks like. And when he does get some he refuses to play them. Bamisle is one of the yeah yeah doesn’t play defense like PM wants. Well JGrove was on that team and he couldn’t guard me and I have 2 fake hips. Also, I can’t remember his name, the kid from I believe Ardmore he didn’t even play him until after January and then it was sparingly. He won the home osu game for us that year.

We can blame NIL or lack of support blah blah blah but until PM understands the need for athletic players we will not do well in conference. And he needs to STOP PLAYING FAVORITES! Looking at u Sam!

 

[IndySooner]

Not what I've heard fwiw. I've heard they are actively crunching the numbers.

But bc of venables' past failings and their consideration of his possible repeat failure and then firing next year, bball would def take a backseat in that scenario.

I've heard neither coach is on the hot seat, actually. The admin knows they have been behind the game from an NIL and facilities perspective and they know they put both coaches in bad situations to build and grow programs. I think there's going to be a lot of disappointment here next year unless Porter decides he's done on his own. That wouldn't surprise me.

And, by the way, the next coach will be less qualified if that happens. That's my prediction. No highly coveted coach is going to walk into this situation.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I've heard neither coach is on the hot seat, actually. The admin knows they have been behind the game from an NIL and facilities perspective and they know they put both coaches in bad situations to build and grow programs. I think there's going to be a lot of disappointment here next year unless Porter decides he's done on his own. That wouldn't surprise me.

And, by the way, the next coach will be less qualified if that happens. That's my prediction. No highly coveted coach is going to walk into this situation.

Haha less qualified that the CW? Not possible.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I've heard neither coach is on the hot seat, actually. The admin knows they have been behind the game from an NIL and facilities perspective and they know they put both coaches in bad situations to build and grow programs. I think there's going to be a lot of disappointment here next year unless Porter decides he's done on his own. That wouldn't surprise me.

And, by the way, the next coach will be less qualified if that happens. That's my prediction. No highly coveted coach is going to walk into this situation.

I'd rather have a less "qualified" coach, if pm is considered qualified..

 

[CoachTalk]

That also goes for like 90% of the current d1 coaches in the country

Moser has a similar issue as Venables in that they play the Johnny try hard in practice over the better talented athletes. It costs us games every year. Play your best players or you will be getting a pink slip. It’s not hard to understand.

I'd rather have a less "qualified" coach, if pm is considered qualified..

This stuff just proves you guys are clueless. Absolute Clueless.

 

[WichitaSooner]

This stuff just proves you guys are clueless. Absolute Clueless.

Yep because again, only high school coaches are clued in.