Porter MF Moser!!

Nope, they don't. If there are two teams with otherwise similar profiles, and one played a much better noncon, that team will likely get the nod. Think of a season as 31 data points. Team A and Team B are largely indistinguishable in their conference results, but team A played a better noncon. Team A is more likely to make it, not because the noncon games "count more," but because they are data points that separate the teams.
This topic usually ends up running into unclear semantics. You are certainly correct for one understanding of "similar profiles." Toy example:

Team A: Lost to Duke by 20. Beat Iowa State by 10. Went 9-9 in SEC.
Final record: 10-10. SoS: Brutal

Team B: Lost to Canisius by 20. Beat Mississippi Valley A&M by 10. Went 9-9 on exactly the same conference schedule. (Critical to consider in-conference SoS now that the SEC is very unbalanced in the three home-and-homes.)
Final record: 10-10. SoS: Slightly less brutal.

I wouldn't call those similar profiles though. Anyway your main point that they're not supposed to treat OOC SoS differently from conference is correct but seems hard for the media and fans to get their heads around. I'm already steeling myself for Vanderbilt to get in at 7-11 and hear four days of "Why can an SEC team get in at 4 games below .500?" as though that means anything. First World problems.
 
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He’s a fraud. Got lucky at one school and has been fired everywhere else. Fake tough guy.

Everywhere else? There is no record of him being fired at any of his several assistant coaching jobs prior to his first head coaching job at Little Rock. He pointed that program in the right direction which led to him getting the Illinois State job. He got fired at Illinois State, but where else was he fired? He was very successful as an assistant at St Louis which led to the Loyola job. He went to both a Final Four and a Sweet 16 at a small school...very impressive. Of course, all that matters to OU fans is how he does here. If we lose to Vanderbilt, the season will likely unravel and he'll be out of a job. If that happens, his legacy at OU will be the least successful OU head coach since the 1960s...but that still does not make him a "fraud".

I wish some of you would just stick to facts (or at least semi-educated opinions) rather than making crap up to support your point.
 
Everywhere else? There is no record of him being fired at any of his several assistant coaching jobs prior to his first head coaching job at Little Rock. He pointed that program in the right direction which led to him getting the Illinois State job. He got fired at Illinois State, but where else was he fired? He was very successful as an assistant at St Louis which led to the Loyola job. He went to both a Final Four and a Sweet 16 at a small school...very impressive. Of course, all that matters to OU fans is how he does here. If we lose to Vanderbilt, the season will likely unravel and he'll be out of a job. If that happens, his legacy at OU will be the least successful OU head coach since the 1960s...but that still does not make him a "fraud".

I wish some of you would just stick to facts (or at least semi-educated opinions) rather than making crap up to support your point.
Confusing post is confusing
 
It should be obvious by now that Porter moser has been a failure at OU. The unfortunate reality is, it’s gonna be tough to lure a great coach to OU given the current NIL environment and our lack of support at every level.
 
I believe porter will be our coach next year regardless of how the team does this year. The opinions that he is on the hot seat are wrong and not fact based. There are surely many fans that want him on the hot seat and they are just guessing. Btw, not saying he shouldn’t be just that he is going to be given a year to adjust to the sec before any decision is made. If he wasn’t liked by the administration it might be different. They love the guy as do most everyone else in the athletic department

The fire moser crowd are going to have to put up with him longer than they want. Jmo and second hand info

As for this team, starting to look like may need a run in the sec tournament to make the ncaa
 
I believe porter will be our coach next year regardless of how the team does this year. The opinions that he is on the hot seat are wrong and not fact based. There are surely many fans that want him on the hot seat and they are just guessing. Btw, not saying he shouldn’t be just that he is going to be given a year to adjust to the sec before any decision is made. If he wasn’t liked by the administration it might be different. They love the guy as do most everyone else in the athletic department

The fire moser crowd are going to have to put up with him longer than they want. Jmo and second hand info

As for this team, starting to look like may need a run in the sec tournament to make the ncaa
Diabolical….
 
Everywhere else? There is no record of him being fired at any of his several assistant coaching jobs prior to his first head coaching job at Little Rock. He pointed that program in the right direction which led to him getting the Illinois State job. He got fired at Illinois State, but where else was he fired? He was very successful as an assistant at St Louis which led to the Loyola job. He went to both a Final Four and a Sweet 16 at a small school...very impressive. Of course, all that matters to OU fans is how he does here. If we lose to Vanderbilt, the season will likely unravel and he'll be out of a job. If that happens, his legacy at OU will be the least successful OU head coach since the 1960s...but that still does not make him a "fraud".

I wish some of you would just stick to facts (or at least semi-educated opinions) rather than making crap up to support your point.
Super diabolical.
 
I believe porter will be our coach next year regardless of how the team does this year. The opinions that he is on the hot seat are wrong and not fact based. There are surely many fans that want him on the hot seat and they are just guessing. Btw, not saying he shouldn’t be just that he is going to be given a year to adjust to the sec before any decision is made. If he wasn’t liked by the administration it might be different. They love the guy as do most everyone else in the athletic department

The fire moser crowd are going to have to put up with him longer than they want. Jmo and second hand info

As for this team, starting to look like may need a run in the sec tournament to make the ncaa
Porter moser has failed and should be fired. When is the last time we’ve gone this long without making the tourney? He hasn’t made the tourney yet at OU. That’s failure.

He may very well be the coach next year because the program is being neglected and leadership is lacking. That doesn’t mean he should be or deserves to be the coach. He failed. We should move on and try someone else.
 
I believe porter will be our coach next year regardless of how the team does this year. The opinions that he is on the hot seat are wrong and not fact based. There are surely many fans that want him on the hot seat and they are just guessing. Btw, not saying he shouldn’t be just that he is going to be given a year to adjust to the sec before any decision is made. If he wasn’t liked by the administration it might be different. They love the guy as do most everyone else in the athletic department

The fire moser crowd are going to have to put up with him longer than they want. Jmo and second hand info

As for this team, starting to look like may need a run in the sec tournament to make the ncaa
Not what I've heard fwiw. I've heard they are actively crunching the numbers.

But bc of venables' past failings and their consideration of his possible repeat failure and then firing next year, bball would def take a backseat in that scenario.
 
Porter moser has failed and should be fired. When is the last time we’ve gone this long without making the tourney? He hasn’t made the tourney yet at OU. That’s failure.

He may very well be the coach next year because the program is being neglected and leadership is lacking. That doesn’t mean he should be or deserves to be the coach. He failed. We should move on and try someone else.
Also the "adjusting to the SEC" argument has zero legs. Trust me they have had conversations internally about the future of it all. The Big 12 has been the deepest and toughest conference the last 3 years, and he never managed to field a tournament worthy team.
 
Also the "adjusting to the SEC" argument has zero legs. Trust me they have had conversations internally about the future of it all. The Big 12 has been the deepest and toughest conference the last 3 years, and he never managed to field a tournament worthy team.
Exactly. There should be no adjustment, he went from the best league in America to the best league in America, it just so happens that the identity of the league changed. And anyone working in college basketball who has even a decent amount of common sense could see for YEARS that the SEC was the most athletic league in America, and had a lot of talented bigs. Moser knew for three years that was where we were headed. We aren't struggling because he hasn't had time to adjust. We are struggling because he sucks at putting together rosters, especially in the front court.
 
Exactly. There should be no adjustment, he went from the best league in America to the best league in America, it just so happens that the identity of the league changed. And anyone working in college basketball who has even a decent amount of common sense could see for YEARS that the SEC was the most athletic league in America, and had a lot of talented bigs. Moser knew for three years that was where we were headed. We aren't struggling because he hasn't had time to adjust. We are struggling because he sucks at putting together rosters, especially in the front court.
Yes, and the Big 12 will continue to be good at the top because those schools will spend to compete, but the BIG 10 is closing that gap and we are a few years away imo to it being the second deepest conference.
 
No one gets lucky to win 350 games.
I would say the lucky part is probably making the final 4. Called a cinderella for a reason.

The number of games won is irrelevent to me. It just shows he has been around for while.
So good enough to stay employed coaching but not winning at a good clip
 
Here is a number that is relevant: 23-42. That's his record in conference games since becoming a power conference coach. He is barely winning over a third of his games. That is astonishingly bad.

Let's compare to Lon. In his first four years, after inheriting a disaster, he was 40-32. His last four, which were obviously disappointing: 33-38. Not good, but for perspective, CW would have to win 14 straight conference games from this point to get to the winning percentage Lon put up in his worst four year stretch. (Note that I didn't add in conference tourney games for Lon because I couldn't remember every single conference tourney game in those years. But I realize he didn't have any success in KC, so feel free to add in some losses. The point remains: an OU basketball coach losing 2/3 of his games over a four-year period is staggering.)
 
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Here is a number that is relevant: 23-42. That's his record in conference games since becoming a power conference coach. He is barely winning over a third of his games. That is astonishingly bad.

Let's compare to Lon. In his first four years, after inheriting a disaster, he was 40-32. His last four, which were obviously disappointing: 33-38. Not good, but for perspective, CW would have to win 14 straight conference games from this point to get to the winning percentage Lon put up in his worst four year stretch. (Note that I didn't add in conference tourney games for Lon because I couldn't remember every single conference tourney game in those years. But I realize he didn't have any success in KC, so feel free to add in some losses. The point remains: and OU basketball coach losing 2/3 of his games over a four-year period is staggering.)
Lon is a far far better coach then PM ... .
 
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