Porter to.........Villanova???

[TINY]

You will get absolute crickets to this post by the slobberers bc there is nothing to refute it. Or maybe they'll throw out some fans support excuse or bc the Lloyd nobles seats are orange, not actually crimson. It doesn't matter to them.

I'd respect them a lot more if they would own up to the hollowness of the nil excuse

Do you expect the Miami marlins to beat the LA dodgers, too? The game has changed. NIL is more important than coaching, now.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Problem is, I don't think OU has enough donors that care about basketball.

I mean it's tough mental gymnastics for donors to go from giving tons of cash from themselves into a building or something that will be tangible forever and they can put their name on it

vs.

Money into a player's wallet oh and also they don't care about the university and will almost assuredly enter into the portal the very next year and would gladly suit up for your arch rival if they paid more no second thoughts

 

[colston15]

It was genuinely a top 30 roster in the country. You can’t convince me otherwise. So much talent all over the place.

When healthy, which it never was at the end of the season, it probably was.

 

[Eielson]

So many of these dudes just want to excuse the bull****. 4 years, 4 mostly bad coaching jobs, 3 missed tourneys, one early exit.

This kind of talk (below from Nowkhah) is so tiring. Moser has had 4 years at OU to figure out how to work within the constraints he has. We're still excusing it?

The reality is; Moser has won 56% of his games at OU, 38% in conference, and has lived life around the bubble (maybe that's his peak at OU?). That's not commendable. Nothing points to him getting better with more NIL. The best hope OU has, with Moser as HC, is finding someone else to be the "roster coach" (assembler, fundraiser, etc).

Every time Moser looks to be turning a corner, we fall flat. But every time things look hopeless, he puts something together like the run to end the season. More than anything, I'd say his coaching has been mediocre, which just won't cut it in the best basketball league in the country. His second year was the only truly awful year.

If we had fired Moser, had a mass portal exodus, and then our next coach had led us to a 9 seed, most on here would be considering him the savior. Most of what has happened the past 10 months has been good, but unfortunately I don't see the path upward from here, as we have virtually no returning talent and will be starting over from scratch again. I guess the bright side is that Moser has been able to put together 20 win teams the last two years that were mostly portal-driven, with both hands tied behind his back last year. With a league-average center, we could easily have gotten to 23/24 wins, which is something I could get behind, but I'm going to guess we continue our center drought.

 

[Eielson]

We have NEVER had the money to buy a quality big. Wague has been the ceiling.

Holy hell. Wague is the floor. Over the last 45 years, we've had more teams with 3-4 bigs better than him than 0.

 

[Eielson]

Do you expect the Miami marlins to beat the LA dodgers, too? The game has changed. NIL is more important than coaching, now.

Well the Marlins have won two titles in the past 25 years.

 

[IndySooner]

Holy hell. Wague is the floor. Over the last 45 years, we've had more teams with 3-4 bigs better than him than 0.

Sorry. I meant since you could legally pay for a big. I didn't mean historically.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Do you expect the Miami marlins to beat the LA dodgers, too? The game has changed. NIL is more important than coaching, now.

What about Rutgers making the elite 8? Oh they didn't even make the tournament...? Surely, Louisville did the sweet 16.. no? Okay, Kansas has to have made at least the round of 32. What?

You're telling me you have to actually play these games and it's not actually decided by the teams' respective CPAs?

If anything, all of you suckers that buy pm's nil excuses, should realize that OU will NEVER GET THE MONEY. IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH compared to the bluebloods. Your last sentence is actually the complete opposite for the OU job.. coaching has NEVER mattered as much as now.

 

[TINY]

Well the Marlins have won two titles in the past 25 years.

It’s not a perfect analogy as the mlb has a draft in which the worst teams can acquire the best talent via the draft. Also baseball has way more parity than basketball. My point is over time the teams with the most money will win much more than those without. Step 1 for this program is establishing a competitive NIL. Everything else will fall into place after that.

 

[Eielson]

I don’t think Dari said anything incorrect though. It’s unrealistic to expect ou to outperform other programs who are paying much more to win. Even if ou gets an absolutely elite coach, there’s no way they will stay given the current investment. Ou donors need to put their money where their mouth is. It’s that simple.

Dave Bliss was saying that in the 70s, and we've been hearing the same excuse every time we don't have an elite coach. That jabber stopped the times we've had an elite coach (Tubbs, Sampson). Our NIL would have been flowing in the early 2000s, just like it has in every other sport we've been successful in. And we kept both of our elite coaches for over a decade, so I don't buy it at all that we would immediately lose them.

 

[Eielson]

It’s not a perfect analogy as the mlb has a draft in which the worst teams can acquire the best talent via the draft. Also baseball has way more parity than basketball. My point is over time the teams with the most money will win much more than those without. Step 1 for this program is establishing a competitive NIL. Everything else will fall into place after that.

The Astros had the lowest payroll in the league for many years. When they started winning, they started paying. You have to prove there is something worth paying for.

 

[IndySooner]

Dave Bliss was saying that in the 70s, and we've been hearing the same excuse every time we don't have an elite coach. That jabber stopped the times we've had an elite coach (Tubbs, Sampson). Our NIL would have been flowing in the early 2000s, just like it has in every other sport we've been successful in. And we kept both of our elite coaches for over a decade, so I don't buy it at all that we would immediately lose them.

Kelvin fought and fought for support and respect for the basketball program while he was here. And he didn't get the kind of respect he deserved.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Kelvin fought and fought for support and respect for the basketball program while he was here. And he didn't get the kind of respect he deserved.

And yet he stayed a dozen years, took us to a FF, Elite 8, and Sweet 16, missed the tourney once, and despite all the talk about not getting recourses, still considers Joe C a close friend.

 

[TINY]

What about Rutgers making the elite 8? Oh they didn't even make the tournament...? Surely, Louisville did the sweet 16.. no? Okay, Kansas has to have made at least the round of 32. What?

You're telling me you have to actually play these games and it's not actually decided by the teams' respective CPAs?

If anything, all of you suckers that buy pm's nil excuses, should realize that OU will NEVER GET THE MONEY. IT WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH compared to the bluebloods. Your last sentence is actually the complete opposite for the OU job.. coaching has NEVER mattered as much as now.

Why is every coach making NIL demands before they accept a new job? If ou wants to be a top 25 team going forward, it will require significantly more investment.

 

[hoopsaustin]

It’s not a perfect analogy as the mlb has a draft in which the worst teams can acquire the best talent via the draft. Also baseball has way more parity than basketball. My point is over time the teams with the most money will win much more than those without. Step 1 for this program is establishing a competitive NIL. Everything else will fall into place after that.

I'm not trying to be an ass, but do you think that anyone on this board doesnt understand that?

Where us anti-pm people are coming from is that pm has shown no ability to do anything with the talent he has had: oweh/uzan/mccollum/soares/moore/darthard and also that the money will never be anything than AT BEST average in conference..

Hes a 55% winner (even before nil). You think if he magically gets enough money that he'll somehow become a star coach? Okay, how much does he need? Top 5 in conference? Top half? What?

 

[hoopsaustin]

Why is every coach making NIL demands before they accept a new job? If ou wants to be a top 25 team going forward, it will require significantly more investment.

Bc it helps their job?

 

[StoopsBros]

I don’t think Dari said anything incorrect though. It’s unrealistic to expect ou to outperform other programs who are paying much more to win. Even if ou gets an absolutely elite coach, there’s no way they will stay given the current investment. Ou donors need to put their money where their mouth is. It’s that simple.

I respect your opinion, I'll just disagree somewhat.

Every single year under Moser, the roster has had huge holes. Bigs, shooting, wing defenders, or some combo of several issues. Nothing about his roster (mis)management screams "commendable" and that's the part of Nowkhah's tweet I took exception to. But a guy like Nowkhah isn't likely in tune with the portal movements enough to speak intelligently on it...so he's fine sweeping everything under the big, bad NIL rug. It wasn't nearly as simple as "OU didn't have enough money". We witnessed it. Moser put all of his eggs into the Pedulla, Overton, and Garrison basket(s).

Didn't seem to have a plan after that failure (which also wasn't 100% due to NIL). When OU needed a starting big, he settled for Wague (who hasn't been totally chit but OU could have/should have found someone better to push Godwin to the first bench big).

You're telling me there aren't guards out there better than Elvis, Miles, and/or Goodine? Even in the "cheap" category, yes there are. CBB is sprinkled with talented guards everywhere. I keep beating the same drum. When Moser took Elvis with his "#1 pick", I knew it was going to be a long SEC season (predicted 5-13 and they barely cleared that). ELVIS WAS HEADED TO CHARLESTON.

I don't fully disagree with you, obviously, I know Joe C hamstrings the program (always has), and I know OU lacks donors to buy-in (to be fair, that's, in part, due to Joe C's inability to fundraise, and due to Moser being a mediocre coach).

I think the funniest part is people will SCREECH about NIL. As if Porter didn’t have the starting PG for Houston, starting SF for Kentucky, a guard averaging 15 a night in Javian McCollum, then a great combo of Jalon Moore and Waldo Soares last year yet still found a way to miss the tournament. This dude is absolutely trash and should not be allowed to excuse his way out of every single shortcoming by blaming his so called “lack of funding”. He had a better roster than 90% of basketball teams just last year and underperformed severely. I’m tired of it.

One of the biggest negatives about NIL has been the excuse-making for sure.

Any loss on-field, or on-court, oftentimes gets attributed to not having enough NIL. That's not just OU, obviously.

Don't get me wrong, I'm smart enough to know, more often than not, the team with the most talent wins. That's why I took UCONN -6 tonight. I made a solid amount betting against Moser's roster this year (sorry, not sorry).

But it's a lot more nuanced than just simply saying OU is broke. Work within what you have had the last 4 years, make it better, and stop making excuses. Because what I heard in that Bob interview was; "My staff and I are lazy as* evaluators, I have a bad staff, we don't want to grind through tape, I won't try new things, like demanding a GM, because I'm stubborn (like using social media), I'm not open to adapting, and I need things to be easier - which is why I'm trying to run to a basketball-first program so they can do the hard work for me".

 

[Eielson]

Kelvin fought and fought for support and respect for the basketball program while he was here. And he didn't get the kind of respect he deserved.

Yes, you have to fight for it, as does everybody. He was bringing in elite recruits like Damion James and Scottie Reynolds at the end, so I think it's safe to say he got the support he needed. After the final 4 season, we retained him five more seasons. I'd settle for 12 seasons for an elite coach.

 

[TINY]

I'm not trying to be an ass, but do you think that anyone on this board doesnt understand that?

Where us anti-pm people are coming from is that pm has shown no ability to do anything with the talent he has had: oweh/uzan/mccollum/soares/moore/darthard and also that the money will never be anything than AT BEST average in conference..

Hes a 55% winner (even before nil). You think if he magically gets enough money that he'll somehow become a star coach? Okay, how much does he need? Top 5 in conference? Top half? What?

I don’t think too many coaches could have gotten much more out of last year’s roster. It was pretty good 1-8, but there wasn’t a single elite player. Oweh/uzan were true sophomores, and Soares/moore were complete JAGs at their previous programs. Darthard had ok stats at a low mid major. Godwin/Hugley as the posts is just ok. Let’s stop pretending that that roster was a world beater.

I have maintained since the last hand full of years of the Lon Kruger era that the ou program is slipping. I have also stated that I think ou can do better than Moser. The problem is retention of any decent coach. Ou needs to fix its NIL/arena/fan support issues if it wants to be a sustainable top 25 program in the NIL era.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I don’t think too many coaches could have gotten much more out of last year’s roster. It was pretty good 1-8, but there wasn’t a single elite player. Oweh/uzan were true sophomores, and Soares/moore were complete JAGs at their previous programs. Darthard had ok stats at a low mid major. Godwin/Hugley as the posts is just ok. Let’s stop pretending that that roster was a world beater.

I have maintained since the last hand full of years of the Lon Kruger era that the ou program is slipping. I have also stated that I think ou can do better than Moser. The problem is retention of any decent coach. Ou needs to fix its NIL/arena/fan support issues if it wants to be a sustainable top 25 program in the NIL era.

I mean that huge leap of conveniently pretending that stars on a #1 and #3 seed weren't good, is way more imaginative than you simply admitting that pm bungled last year..

Of course the second part needs to happen but I think replacing pm is much easier cheaper and quicker..