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On a side note before I forget. I asked Grooms if he had heard from Fitz. He said the in the 1st two games Fitz had scored 24 and 17 respectively.

Today was very enjoyable to those that had a chance to make it out to practice. It started with the customary up and back weave drills against the clock. Then on to some individual defense drills and then some 5 man get the ball to the post work.

They took a break and some Big 12 refs came in and had them gathered up to talk about rule changes and how they could expect games to be called. That went for about 15 minutes. The practice was on the main floor and none of us were really close enough to hear much of it.

Then the fun began. Unless I lost count, they played ten 5 minute games with a clock and with the refs officiating. The starters today were Woodard instead of Hornbeak. There was a dust up at practice yesterday that might have something to do with that. Along with Woodard was Buddy, Cousins, Cam, and Spangler.

At the start of every 5 minute game Kruger would play a different starting lineup drawing from the core group of 7 players. In addition to the first group of starters the group also included Hornbeak and Bennett. Which ever two of the seven that weren't on Kruger's red team played for the whites. That helped keep the games competitive and Henson , who was coaching the whites, was able to continually run fresh legs at the reds.

By the time the last two segments rolled around. Kruger started mixing and matching players and play got a bit sloppy. The last two revealed that Cam and Woodard had stayed strong and focused and they looked like all stars. The first 8 that had the players most likely to play the big minutes grouped together probably told the most accurate story.

The games were competitive. The reds won 7 of the 8 with margins ranging from 2 to 8 points. The refs were calling the games way to touchy tight and prevented the half court offense from getting in a good flow. However, the reds were very good in transition every segment.

A good take away for me was watching some players that you root for everyday, but have had their struggles so far, make a good account of themselves in the first big scrimmage. Cole, Hamilton and probably Booker too had what was likely their best practice so far. Cole had found himself replaced in the 10 man rotation a couple of days ago by a walk on. Mayby that got his attention. He was scoring with some frequency and playing pretty good. Hamilton didn't look Big 12 ready, but, he did compete well and looked like he fit in. The lone white shirt win was because Booker got on a heater and hit three 3's in a 5 minute segment. In another segment he hit two. I don't think he shot for a particularly high percentage on the day. But, he was making some shots in a competitive situation.

Cam was active on the boards and defended well. But, he wasn't getting anything done in the scoring department until the end. He wasn't getting many shots and then missed most of the ones he did get. I don't take notes, but, I left with the feeling that Spangler was probably the leading scorer. Most of his points came from rebounds and put backs and as the trailer on fast breaks. He runs the floor like a guard. As far as a big getting a pass down low, creating some space, and getting a good shot, Bennett was best at that.

If Spangler wasn't the high point man, it was Cousins. I'm not sure why it works this way. But, when Cam isn't on the floor with Cousins, Cousins becomes more aggressive and takes more shots. And he was making them. It is almost like he is deferring to Cam. He also was driving to the basket and making steals and going the other way.

Hornbeak was shooting the ball well from long range again today. He, like Buddy and Cousins was able to get some defenders off the dribble and get some points in the paint. Woodard was good all day and then kind of exploded the last two segments.

There was ample evidence that there is plenty of work to do. But, they are defending well and were very good in transition.
 
Nice report Gary. I have a question about the "10 man rotation" though... What other scholarship player isn't included? Tyler Neal, Hamilton, Booker?
 
some Big 12 refs came in and had them gathered up to talk about rule changes and how they could expect games to be called.

"Gentlemen, the main thing to keep in mind this season is this: If you make any attempt to defend that shining light of hoops, Marcus Smart, you will be whistled and charged with Insufficient Deference; this is a new rule that was in unofficial beta testing last year and has been made official for the 2013-14 season. We've been instructed to enforce it with emphasis, and we are honored to help facilitate Mr. Smart's scoring efforts in any way we can.

"Similarly, when you are on offense, if you exhibit the audacity required to dribble the ball anywhere in Mr. Smart's vicinity, he'll have every right to flop, er, fall violently to the floor, and you will be whistled for a charge. Remember, you should feel blessed merely to play on the same court as Mr. Smart; don't spoil your association with an all-time great by trying to score points against him -- that simply isn't to be allowed. Just say a silent prayer of gratitude as you dribble well clear of him, and be happy you'll have something to tell your grandkids."
 
I'll take the bait Gary. What tussle with jelon do you speak of??
 
Nice report Gary. I have a question about the "10 man rotation" though... What other scholarship player isn't included? Tyler Neal, Hamilton, Booker?

Hamilton, Booker and Neal, along with the top 7 make up the ten. Booker was out a couple of days and instead of Cole, Mankin started practice with the top 10.
 
I'll take the bait Gary. What tussle with jelon do you speak of??

You know, I would have preferred that yesterday's practice hadn't been open. I had seen Kruger have one of those kind of practices three times before. I guess that he saw the need to gain their full attention. He did. It wasn't comfrontable for any one. Some players reacted better than others. All now is well.
 
You know, I would have preferred that yesterday's practice hadn't been open. I had seen Kruger have one of those kind of practices three times before. I guess that he saw the need to gain their full attention. He did. It wasn't comfrontable for any one. Some players reacted better than others. All now is well.

10-4 good buddy! Those are nice ones!
 
Gary I know it's way too early to really tell and things can change, but from what you've seen, how would you compare this years team to last? Think they have a chance to be better? After last season when everyone was arguing about whether we could be better or not, I think you were on the we can be better side. Just curious what you think now that you've had the chance to see them practice for a bit.
 
You know, I would have preferred that yesterday's practice hadn't been open. I had seen Kruger have one of those kind of practices three times before. I guess that he saw the need to gain their full attention. He did. It wasn't comfrontable for any one. Some players reacted better than others. All now is well.

What does this mean? He worked them really hard? Please explain a little more.
 
Gary I know it's way too early to really tell and things can change, but from what you've seen, how would you compare this years team to last? Think they have a chance to be better? After last season when everyone was arguing about whether we could be better or not, I think you were on the we can be better side. Just curious what you think now that you've had the chance to see them practice for a bit.

This years team will not be a better or worse version of last years team. This is a completely different team. I thought that last years team would and did have a pretty low ceiling. And I think that they ended up by bumping right up to their ceiling.

I don't think that this years team will have a 3 pt. shooter with Pledger's accuracy. We don't have a big as athletic as M'Baye. We don't have a big that can hit contested mid range jumpers like Fitz. We don't have a get a bucket when you need one guy like Osby. If those were the basis of comparison, one would have to assume that we would fall off some.

It is my contention that because Kruger had players with those particular skills. He went about winning 20 ball games using those skills. This years group will have different, but, equally valuable skills. I'm confident that Kruger will keep on winning games using these guys skills.

Woodard is an upgrade over Grooms. I'm not saying that Woodard will eventually be an upgrade over Grooms sometime in the future after he gets some experience. I'm saying that he is upgrade over Grooms right now. He may not be able to do everything better than what Grooms did well. But, Grooms was limited in the way he could contribute. Woodard is not.

Hornbeak, Buddy , and Cousins are a huge upgrade over last years version of Hornbeak, Buddy, and Cousins.

Spangler as a redshirt Soph. just simply won't be as good as Osby as a redshirt senior. But, Spangler looks to be on the fast track to becoming a very good college basketball player. I think that Cam can probably replace MBaye's production. Bennett will probably never be able to score like Fitz. But, he can run the floor, block/alter shots, and rebound in ways Fitz could only dream about.

This years team is long, athletic, and fast. Kruger is adjusting their playing style to get the most from those abilities. This team will defend at a higher level that last years. Individually or as a group they will not have the option to do anything else. What he is putting these kids thru on defensive work is at a completely different level than what I've seen the last two years.

I think this years team has a higher ceiling than last years. But there a lot of if's involved as to what they actually accomplish. They have to stay healthy and some secondary players needs to continue to develop.

I didn't get this from the man himself. But, it did come from someone that probably knows Kruger's thoughts. They want to go at such a pace that even the core group of players would be limited in minutes from around 25 to the low 30's max. With mayby one player getting heavier minutes. Booker for example would be expected to get 8-10 minutes. He needs to get better. His performance today indicates that he just might. Tyler will play some. He needs to guard some one while he is in there. Hamilton needs to come along to the point that he can come in for a few minutes and not do anything to get us beat.

They will be young and that will probable jump up and bite them from time to time. But, I like this years team better than last years.
 
Your comments encourage me because of the defense. Sampson taught me that, if you defend well, that will win games. If we are not an offensive juggernaut, defense may still win the game.
 
Agree with you guys on defense. Heck K-state turned it into a big 12 championship last year by scoring under 60 points some games. A nasty defense can make up for an offense when shots aren't falling which happens a lot in college.

It will be interesting to watch with how young this team is, although our guards got great experience last year. Having 5 main contributors be freshman/sophomores in Spangler, Buddy, Cousins, Woodard and Hornbeak gives me a ton of hope for our future, but seeing how they progressed throughout the season last year, why can't they do that again as sophomores. I feel like the leap from freshman to sophomore year is the biggest for a lot players, so hoping they can use that experience to help us close out games this year.
 
What does this mean? He worked them really hard? Please explain a little more.

I assume he was ALL over the players. Calling them all out to see how they respond to a little adversity. It's a motivator but tempers flare even from players to coaches. It happens, my guess Jelon popped a comment off after LK or a coach jumped him for something and then they let him have it!
 
Lots of good stuff here, Gary!

Would I be correct in saying that Cousins appears to be a much better player than last year is a recurring theme in your reports? I realize we have no idea how any improvement he's made will translate to the court in real game situations. Still, it seems to me that he has been front and center with the accolades in nearly all of your reports, on both ends of the court.

If my assumption is accurate, he could really help us this season. He is already, at least IMO, our best on-the-ball defender. A confident Isaiah on offense and in handling the ball could be huge, providing he takes what you have seen in practice a step further and continues his progress when it really counts during the season.
 
Lots of good stuff here, Gary!

Would I be correct in saying that Cousins appears to be a much better player than last year is a recurring theme in your reports? I realize we have no idea how any improvement he's made will translate to the court in real game situations. Still, it seems to me that he has been front and center with the accolades in nearly all of your reports, on both ends of the court.

If my assumption is accurate, he could really help us this season. He is already, at least IMO, our best on-the-ball defender. A confident Isaiah on offense and in handling the ball could be huge, providing he takes what you have seen in practice a step further and continues his progress when it really counts during the season.

I don't think it is just me. It seems that any one that has caught some practices and commented on it have liked what they have seen of Cousins.

If I were wanting to dog him some, I could say that he is still letting his emotions get the best of him sometimes. And he will still try to make the great pass into traffic resulting in a turnover too often.

But, he has been defending, hitting shots, and running the floor like a good player in practice.
 
I don't think it is just me. It seems that any one that has caught some practices and commented on it have liked what they have seen of Cousins.

If I were wanting to dog him some, I could say that he is still letting his emotions get the best of him sometimes. And he will still try to make the great pass into traffic resulting in a turnover too often.

But, he has been defending, hitting shots, and running the floor like a good player in practice.

This is great to hear. I will say, those emotions can be a positive too. I like having a player or two that is fiery and can provide a spark to get a team going. Yes, it can go the opposite way, but I'm hoping with Lon as a calm coach, and having guys like Hornbeak and others who seem calm, cool and collected on the court, they can counter those emotions. But don't always look at them as a negative
 
Thanks again, Gary, for all the reports.
 
I have a feeling our perimeter defense will be the best it's been in a long long time.

Hield, Cousins, Hornbeak & Woodard are all studs. When's the last time we went 4 deep at guard as good as these guys all with 3-4 years left to play? I can't remember ever.
 
I have a feeling our perimeter defense will be the best it's been in a long long time.

Hield, Cousins, Hornbeak & Woodard are all studs. When's the last time we went 4 deep at guard as good as these guys all with 3-4 years left to play? I can't remember ever.

Excellent points, boca. I agree that this group of guards could be as solid defensively as any backcourt in my recent memory. They also have quick hands and feet, plus three of the four are listed at 6' 4".

The only weakness I can think of is the absence of a 40% plus three point shooter. I still believe all four of our guards will shoot a respectable percentage from three that is good enough to prevent teams from hanging back and leaving them open. I can live with guards who can knock down 30% or better of their three pointers, especially if it's guys like Buddy, Je'lon, Jordan and Isaiah, who are capable of taking a defender off of the dribble when he pushes out.
 
Excellent points, boca. I agree that this group of guards could be as solid defensively as any backcourt in my recent memory. They also have quick hands and feet, plus three of the four are listed at 6' 4".

The only weakness I can think of is the absence of a 40% plus three point shooter. I still believe all four of our guards will shoot a respectable percentage from three that is good enough to prevent teams from hanging back and leaving them open. I can live with guards who can knock down 30% or better of their three pointers, especially if it's guys like Buddy, Je'lon, Jordan and Isaiah, who are capable of taking a defender off of the dribble when he pushes out.

I'm hoping we go the K-state route of last year where they just played great D. It stinks we don't have our Osby/McGruder type to go to for a bucket when we need it, but stifling D with a lack of 3 point shooter worked for them. Look at their attempts, makes and 3P% for their players. (per game avg)

McGruder 1.5/4.3 - 33.6%
Rodriguez 1.7/4.8 - 34.4%
Southwell 1.5/3.3 - 43.6%
Spradling 1.4/3.8 - 35.9%
Irving 1.1/2.7 - 39.8%

These players accounted for 97% of the attempted 3's by K-state last year. Combined they shot 36.8%, not a bad number, but they made less than 7 per game last year, and no player even averaged 2 a game. Their one shooter above 40% from 3 barely took 3 a game. I would be happy if we averaged ~7/19 that K-state averaged last year with their good defense.

I was curious to see if this was just a trend in college, but I looked at the top players in 3P Made last year, top 100 qualified on ESPN, and every single one made 2.2 or more (no idea how far down it goes to get to 2.0). Out of these 100 players making 2.2 or more/game, only 8 shot less than 35%, not a bad number in my eyes shooting that many from deep.

Basically this rant comes down to this, I agree we need a 3 point shooter, it's a shame Booker wasn't in last years class to have a year under him, and Neal didn't quite pan out the way we had hoped. But I think we can get by this year with great D and a moving offense that gives us open looks where we can hit some 3's at a decent enough rate to keep the offense going.

(also, I'm counting down the hours to OU/TX weekend, so passing last few hours at work this afternoon)
 
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