Recruiting - Can someone provide an update

[KBaden145]

Answer me this....

Cj cole perfect teammate 4 years

Or

A malcontent player that transfers after 1-2 years. (Limited production)

Neither. You gave me 2 choices I'd try to avoid.


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[KBaden145]

Count me among the camp that would like to see CJ stay as long as he wants. If he wants to give up his scholarship, that's one thing, but if he wants to keep it he should be able to.

I completely agree with this. I'd leave it totally up to him. I just never would have offered him to begin with. Keeping him around isn't necessarily a mistake. Offering him in the first place was.


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[KBaden145]

Agreed. He should be used as an example in recruiting. A kid that comes to OU and plays for 4-5 years, gets a degree, makes great grades, and becomes a doctor. OU gives a kid an opportunity to achieve his dream.... on or off the court.

I'd advertise him for the university, not for the basketball program. I'd use a kid who graduates, makes the honor roll, and actually plays for the basketball program.


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[KBaden145]

I love CJ Cole. Seems like a great kid. He's been good for the program. I fall on the other side of this from a lot of you. It was a mistake to have him on scholarship for 5 years, IMHO. Sorry but I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on him.


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[sperry]

Answer me this....

Cj cole perfect teammate 4 years

Or

A malcontent player that transfers after 1-2 years. (Limited production)

Those aren't the only two options. Cole's scholarship shouldn't be pulled, but it would be good for the program if he graduates after this year and moves on to Med School. Again, a scholarship is an incredibly valuable asset with which you can add a developmental prospect or a graduate transfer.

 

[skyvue]

I love CJ Cole. Seems like a great kid. He's been good for the program. I fall on the other side of this from a lot of you. It was a mistake to have him on scholarship for 5 years, IMHO. Sorry but I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on him.

Please name a player we lost out on because he was on scholarship. How often during CJ's time at OU have we even used all of our scholarships? And if we have done so (I'm not sure we have, but maybe I'm wrong), what player do you think we could have signed who would have brought everything to the table that CJ does -- solid citizen, excellent student -- but also would have garnered more playing time?

 

[KBaden145]

Please name a player we lost out on because he was on scholarship. How often during CJ's time at OU have we even used all of our scholarships? And if we have done so (I'm not sure we have, but maybe I'm wrong), what player do you think we could have signed who would have brought everything to the table that CJ does -- solid citizen, excellent student -- but also would have garnered more playing time?

Absolutely no idea. I trust this coaching staff's ability to find someone better and, for the life of me, I don't understand why they didn't or, as you suggest, just hold the scholarship.

I assume since I couldn't name anyone, that means I'm wrong?


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[skyvue]

I assume since I couldn't name anyone, that means I'm wrong?

In my opinion, yes. But that's ok, I'm sure that, in your opinion, I'm wrong.

I just don't get fretting over the 13th scholarship, when half the time it goes unused and 99% of the time, when it is filled, it's by a player who, just like CJ, sees almost no playing time, but most of the time that player doesn't bring all the other advantages that CJ brings.

So I think asking who you think we lost out on because we signed CJ is a fair question. If we didn't miss out a player who is better -- and I mean significantly better -- than he is, I'll take a kid with CJ's good qualities every time.

 

[sperry]

In my opinion, yes. But that's ok, I'm sure that, in your opinion, I'm wrong.

I just don't get fretting over the 13th scholarship, when half the time it goes unused and 99% of the time, when it is filled, it's by a player who, just like CJ, sees almost no playing time, but most of the time that player doesn't bring all the other advantages that CJ brings.

So I think asking who you think we lost out on because we signed CJ is a fair question. If we didn't miss out a player who is better -- and I mean significantly better -- than he is, I'll take a kid with CJ's good qualities every time.

I have no problem with Lon taking a flier on C.J. It didn't work out on the court, but that happens all the time with recruits. It's an inexact science. If C.J. graduates after this year and the scholarship opens up, I think that's a win win for everyone involved. C.J. is clearly a great kid and a hard worker who has some game, but we can bring in kids like that who don't take up a scholarship (Bola Alade and Austin Mankin on the current roster, for example).

 

[KBaden145]

So I think asking who you think we lost out on because we signed CJ is a fair question.

No, not really but that's ok. It doesn't matter and you and your like care a lot more about it than I do, I promise. CJ is good kid and he seems to be a hard worker and a fabulous STUDENT-athlete. I have no issue with him being on the team or even that he is currently on scholarship, if he had earned it after walking on.


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[KBaden145]

C.J. is clearly a great kid and a hard worker who has some game, but we can bring in kids like that who don't take up a scholarship (Bola Alade and Austin Mankin on the current roster, for example).

Could not have said it better myself. Wait...I think I did. Several times...


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[KBaden145]

Crystal Ball shows Marques Bolden 77% to KU, 15% to Baylor (DeSoto is an hour away from Waco), and 8% Alabama. OU doesn't even show up on his list. I'm guessing Chris Crutchfield is recruiting him since he has primary responsibility for the Dallas area, but Steve Henson recruits a lot of the bigs. Probably both are talking with him some.



Marques Bolden Crystal Ball



This article was generated by Kentucky, but it has a lot of good information about Bolden and his relationship with former Sooner Jeff Webster. It can't hurt that Webster is his mentor...... talk every day.



Bolden and Webster connection

Having Jeff Webster involved does not seem to have helped us much in the recent past.


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[Max Power]

Cj was a walk on his first year when he redshirted. He got the 11th out of 11 given out his sophomore year (meaning we still had two to give we didn't use) and last year he was the 12th of given (meaning we still had 1 to give).

 

[KBaden145]

Got a tidbit today that Marques bolden is priority #1.

Obviously a PG is a must.

Back the original post (my apologies for being so involved in the tangent)...

Is Jones our best shot at PG?

Haven't we been recruiting Bolden all along?


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[Max Power]

Please name a player we lost out on because he was on scholarship. How often during CJ's time at OU have we even used all of our scholarships? And if we have done so (I'm not sure we have, but maybe I'm wrong), what player do you think we could have signed who would have brought everything to the table that CJ does -- solid citizen, excellent student -- but also would have garnered more playing time?

Not once, and we won't this year.

 

[skyvue]

No, not really but that's ok. It doesn't matter and you and your like care a lot more about it than I do, I promise. CJ is good kid and he seems to be a hard worker and a fabulous STUDENT-athlete. I have no issue with him being on the team or even that he is currently on scholarship, if he had earned it after walking on.

I have a like? Denver, to name just one, would, I suspect, take great offense at being called "my like."

Contrary to your claim, a quick count of posts in this thread suggests that you care a lot more about this issue than my like and I do, especially given that most of your posts were sent via your iPhone, which suggests that you were out and about, involved in other activities that you interrupted to post repeatedly about a topic you claim to care about less than me and, y'know, my like.

The odd thing is, you keep making the same arguments in favor of CJ that I and my like have, but then insisting we could have done better than him, even though, as has been pointed out above, we've yet to even once use all our scholarships during his time at OU. So there's a good reason you couldn't name a player we've had to pass on because CJ's been on scholarship: There hasn't been one. We've always had at least one scholarship go unused.

 

[furge]

This article was generated by Kentucky, but it has a lot of good information about Bolden and his relationship with former Sooner Jeff Webster. It can't hurt that Webster is his mentor...... talk every day.

Bolden and Webster connection

The Jeff Webster connect didn't pan out with Jordan Mickey, he went to chase paper at LSU.

Since Webster holds open a pipeline to some prime talent, one might surmise he is chasing paper too... but I hope that's not true.

 

[KBaden145]

I have a like? Denver, to name just one, would, I suspect, take great offense at being called "my like."



Contrary to your claim, a quick count of posts in this thread suggests that you care a lot more about this issue than my like and I do, especially given that most of your posts were sent via your iPhone, which suggests that you were out and about, involved in other activities that you interrupted to post repeatedly about a topic you claim to care about less than me and, y'know, my like.



The odd thing is, you keep making the same arguments in favor of CJ that I and my like have, but then insisting we could have done better than him, even though, as has been pointed out above, we've yet to even once use all our scholarships during his time at OU. So there's a good reason you couldn't name a player we've had to pass on because CJ's been on scholarship: There hasn't been one. We've always had at least one scholarship go unused.

I'm not the one counting posts (really?), I was home with nothing better to do, and I always post from my phone. Stop it and let's move on.


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[usedtobe1]

Having Jeff Webster involved does not seem to have helped us much in the recent past.

We made the final list of 6 schools for Julius Randle. Blue blood schools like Duke and North Carolina were't on the list. Some thought OU was his #2 school. I sure don't think it hurts OU for Jeff to be a kid's mentor.

Here's a good article on Jeff's influence on Randle. Randle and Webster

It sounds like Jeff has the same kind of influence on Bolden.

 

[KBaden145]

I guess it can't hurt but I see no evidence that he has helped us in any way. He's just another AAU coach from what I can tell.


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