Recruiting - Can someone provide an update

Eielson said:
I'd love a 1-and-done type player this year, but I think that would probably do more harm than good the year after.
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You dont turn away kids like this. I think the one and done system works just fine most the time.
 
I agree with those that wanted to move on discuss recruiting rather than CJ Cole, however, I would like to make one point on CJ Cole.

CJ is a heck of an athlete. He may not be one of the most talented scholarship players in the history of OU basketball but he did something that virtually none of us did and that is earn a scholarship to play basketball at a major D-1 program and actually played in games. He was also a very, very accomplished high school basketball player. I wish I had been that good of an athlete. I only say this because I think sometimes fans dismiss role players as not being good athletes when the fact of the matter is they are exceptional athletes.

I think if most of us played a pickup game with CJ Cole, we could be quite impressed with his overall athletic ability as well as his basketball skill. There is no shame in not being a major contributor at OU. It is a huge honor to be on the team as a scholarship player and to me means you are an outstanding athlete regardless of whether or not you are one of the better athletes in the Big XII.
 
Excellent post, Denver.

I will add that, the one time I got to attend practice, CJ looked, to my admittedly inexpert fan's eyes, as if he fit right in. He wasn't fumbling and bumbling; he was playing well.

Is he a notch below our best players? One has to presume so, given the amount of playing time he's been afforded, but the talent differential between CJ and Buddy Hield is much smaller, I would suggest, then the differential between him and, say, a juco player.

In other words, he's not that far off. Given how hard he works and how much he pushes our starters and top reserves, he has played a valuable role in his time at OU.
 
skyvue said:
Is he a notch below our best players? One has to presume so, given the amount of playing time he's been afforded, but the talent differential between CJ and Buddy Hield is much smaller, I would suggest, then the differential between him and, say, a juco player.

In other words, he's not that far off. Given how hard he works and how much he pushes our starters and top reserves, he has played a valuable role in his time at OU.
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i strongly disagree with this ..
 
skyvue said:
Excellent post, Denver.

I will add that, the one time I got to attend practice, CJ looked, to my admittedly inexpert fan's eyes, as if he fit right in. He wasn't fumbling and bumbling; he was playing well.

Is he a notch below our best players? One has to presume so, given the amount of playing time he's been afforded, but the talent differential between CJ and Buddy Hield is much smaller, I would suggest, then the differential between him and, say, a juco player.

In other words, he's not that far off. Given how hard he works and how much he pushes our starters and top reserves, he has played a valuable role in his time at OU.
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How much JUCO have you watched?
 
I disagree too. I love CLK and what he's doing but, if he's on scholarship for 5 years, it was a waste.


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DenverSooner said:
I agree with those that wanted to move on discuss recruiting rather than CJ Cole, however, I would like to make one point on CJ Cole.

CJ is a heck of an athlete. He may not be one of the most talented scholarship players in the history of OU basketball but he did something that virtually none of us did and that is earn a scholarship to play basketball at a major D-1 program and actually played in games. He was also a very, very accomplished high school basketball player. I wish I had been that good of an athlete. I only say this because I think sometimes fans dismiss role players as not being good athletes when the fact of the matter is they are exceptional athletes.

I think if most of us played a pickup game with CJ Cole, we could be quite impressed with his overall athletic ability as well as his basketball skill. There is no shame in not being a major contributor at OU. It is a huge honor to be on the team as a scholarship player and to me means you are an outstanding athlete regardless of whether or not you are one of the better athletes in the Big XII.
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This is an attitude that I don't understand. he is a great athlete for the population in general, but he's still a bottom of the barrel scholarship player for a major college team. That's nothing to be ashamed of, but Kruger could easily upgrade that roster spot.
 
campbest said:
How much JUCO have you watched?
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Almost none. But I've seen enough highly ranked jucos come up and be busts to give CJ his due.

I may have overstated his abilities (whatever, I admitted in that post and in dozens of others over the years that I'm no expert--but then neither are most posters on this and most other sports board), but he's not as bad as some here insist. And in any case, given how little playing time the last (or even second-to-last) scholarship player on most teams sees, I can't get riled up about CJ sticking around.
 
sperry said:
This is an attitude that I don't understand. he is a great athlete for the population in general, but he's still a bottom of the barrel scholarship player for a major college team. That's nothing to be ashamed of, but Kruger could easily upgrade that roster spot.
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Possibly true but that misses a couple of points in my opinion. First, someone has to be in the bottom 10% of major conference college players. If he is similar in talent to other kids that are taking the 12th and 13th scholarship, then he is right where he belongs.

Second, do you want a coach and school that would upgrade the talent? I don't. I want a fan base, coach, and school that honors these kids. I would rather have some losses than see OU treat kids badly. Once OU gives a kid a scholarship, I want it honored unless the kid gets in trouble be it with the law, in the classroom or with the coaches by being a disruption. Cole has been an outstanding student athlete by all accounts. Therefore, I see zero reason to take his scholarship. OU will be just fine with CJ Cole as the 13th scholarship.
 
KBaden145 said:
I disagree too. I love CLK and what he's doing but, if he's on scholarship for 5 years, it was a waste.


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How is a kid that works hard, gives his all and makes a 4.0 a waste of a scholarship? I would say all of the kids over the years that have been kicked off the team or quit for various reasons are the wasted scholarships. I would say the kids that fail to get their degrees and don't make it in the NBA are wasted scholarships. I think we should honor student athletes like CJ Cole.
 
If he helps keep us off the naughty list than he's worth it.

You guys have no idea how hard each one of guys work day in day out.

I'll take a cj every 4-5 years and keep him
 
It's worth remembering that players with a 4.0 GPA help the team even when they're not on the court. I don't know how everyone else on the team does in the classroom, though I know that Hield was Academic All-Conference, but a low team GPA can keep us out of the postseason, as happened to UConn a few years ago.

Even if Cole isn't good enough to ever get any playing time, he's still helping the team besides what he contributes in practice.
 
Answer me this....

Cj cole perfect teammate 4 years

Or

A malcontent player that transfers after 1-2 years. (Limited production)
 
sperry said:
This is an attitude that I don't understand. he is a great athlete for the population in general, but he's still a bottom of the barrel scholarship player for a major college team. That's nothing to be ashamed of, but Kruger could easily upgrade that roster spot.
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You CAN NOT KEEP 13 starting or rotation guys happy. They would transfer or quit. That kills your score on that thing they calculate
 
Count me among the camp that would like to see CJ stay as long as he wants. If he wants to give up his scholarship, that's one thing, but if he wants to keep it he should be able to.
 
geeoh said:
Count me among the camp that would like to see CJ stay as long as he wants. If he wants to give up his scholarship, that's one thing, but if he wants to keep it he should be able to.
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Agreed. He should be used as an example in recruiting. A kid that comes to OU and plays for 4-5 years, gets a degree, makes great grades, and becomes a doctor. OU gives a kid an opportunity to achieve his dream.... on or off the court.
 
CoachTalk said:
You dont turn away kids like this. I think the one and done system works just fine most the time.
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I know that you can't turn him away, but it almost hurts more than it helps sometimes. I'm not sure how much it actually helped Texas to get a guy like Turner last year. Of course, it's sometimes difficult to predict who will turn pro after one year and who won't. I wouldn't have thought #18 D'Angelo Russell would be a 1-and-done coming out of high school, and I thought #2 Harrison Barnes was a sure thing to go pro after his freshman season. In the end you have to take him, and I'd be pretty excited, but I think I'd rather have Buddy and Isaiah in college than Kevin Durant and Myles Turner.
 
CoachTalk said:
If he helps keep us off the naughty list than he's worth it.
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Agreed. He's absolutely worth it even though he'll never play. Gotta scout out some more tall pre-meds for when he leaves! :ez-laugh:
 
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