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[Vinny78]

Well, IF we win the first game we are done after that. Stanford too much on their home court AND a much better coach on their bench. One and done

 

[euphguy]

Just a quick question for some of you: Do you watch Women's College Basketball regularly outside of OU games? I feel that a #5 seed is more than appropriate. Our conference is down considerably this season. The Pac 12 was much stronger. Not to mention, we had some bad losses this year, too. You'll surely find the result you want when you pick one game as the point of argument. We lost to UALR - a Sun Belt conference team. They are in the tourney, but pretty much only because they got an automatic bid.

I think we should be excited about the 5 seed. It's a tough road for sure, but it could be worse. Although Stanford will be playing at home, I like our matchup with them (provided both teams make it to the 2nd round).

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Well, IF we win the first game we are done after that. Stanford too much on their home court ....

Most will probably take that same position. It will be a substantial challenge if we meet them.

But I'm surprised you haven't taken the position their coach is way overpaid. They did not play as well as had been predicted.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Just a quick question for some of you: Do you watch Women's College Basketball regularly outside of OU games? I feel that a #5 seed is more than appropriate. Our conference is down considerably this season. The Pac 12 was much stronger. Not to mention, we had some bad losses this year, too. You'll surely find the result you want when you pick one game as the point of argument. We lost to UALR - a Sun Belt conference team. They are in the tourney, but pretty much only because they got an automatic bid.

I think we should be excited about the 5 seed. It's a tough road for sure, but it could be worse. Although Stanford will be playing at home, I like our matchup with them (provided both teams make it to the 2nd round).

I watch lots of Women's games on TV. And I agree that a #5 is about the best we could hope for with the way we ended the season.

However I'm not sure the conference was down as much as you seem to suggest. After all, our 6th place team (tie) that finished 7 games out of first and 4 games out of 2nd was seeded as a 5. No way such a conference can be anything except excellent (somewhat tongue in cheek).

If we are as weak as the seeds suggest, we will have only 3 teams - at most - get to the second round and only one to the sweet 16. Most years we exceed our expectations - but this year is much harder since all but Baylor will have to win as a visiting team all the way across the country.

 

[OUALUMinTX]

Quinn could be tough. Their top 2 players are 6-1 and 6-4 so they must be tough inside. Average almost 13 points a game. Undefeated in their conference.

 

[sybarite]

Go look at the schedules of Arizona State, California, Oregon State, and Stanford and tell me why they should all be #3 or #4 seeds. Texas, by themselves, had more good non-conference wins than all four, which probably means the entire conference since they really didn't have anyone other than the four and Washington. It is absurd to consider the Pac 12 better than the Big 12. Show me why.

 

[Vinny78]

Most will probably take that same position. It will be a substantial challenge if we meet them.

But I'm surprised you haven't taken the position their coach is way overpaid. They did not play as well as had been predicted.

Ha, on attack mode again are you. You Really need to change your board name, nothing Sweet about you I musy say, lol.

Don't know what their coach is paid BUT she year after year consistantly does a wonderful job. Don't see a 5 or 6 year window where she has consistantly Underachieved like Sherri. Check the record, she has taken her team to the final four more than a few times. She is Earning her pay!!

 

[O-State2009]

WVU, TCU, and KSU were selected to the WNIT. They are all hosting first round games. 80% of teams in the postseason from the Big 12.

Good luck to all teams!

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Go look at the schedules of Arizona State, California, Oregon State, and Stanford and tell me why they should all be #3 or #4 seeds. Texas, by themselves, had more good non-conference wins than all four, which probably means the entire conference since they really didn't have anyone other than the four and Washington. It is absurd to consider the Pac 12 better than the Big 12. Show me why.

Agreed. Top to bottom I see no conference stronger than ours. Kansas even gave Baylor a good run.. And theres no Baylor in the Pac12. It'll be tough to go in there and win- but there not Baylor. We can for sure pull out a win there.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

I agree with you about our conference being stronger than most people think. The problem was so many of our conference teams played really weak non-conference schedules. But we learned that playing a really challenging non-conference schedule can hurt you in the end - record wise. And voters. polls, even rpi has a hard time taking that into consideration.

Most years we do better than our seeds suggest. This year may be tricky since we only have one team hosting. Playing on the road is a huge disadvantage. I suspect very few 5's will beat 4's this year, even though the seeds suggest they should be very competitive.

It will be very interesting to see if fouls favor home teams in the tourney. That is a huge advantage during the season. Will it carry through in the tourney?

 

[sybarite]

UConn is an easy pick.
Texas can beat Cal at Berkeley

I think the Tampa and Lexington brackets are interesting:
South Florida or LSU could take Louisville
Dayton or Iowa State can take Kentucky

Maryland is an easy pick at College Park
But, I could see Tulane taking out either Duke or Mississippi State

Corvallis has two teams that seem weaker at the end of the season, but I guess you have to favor Oregon State over George Washington.
I look for Tennessee to beat Chattanooga and emerge from this group.

I don't think Notre Dame will have any problems in OKC
But, I think OU could take Stanford at Palo Alto. I'm actually uncertain as to what Quinnipiac has.

Washington and Iowa, will Plum or Logic be hotter?
Baylor has a walkover in Waco

South Carolina should cruise
But, OhioState could actually take out North Carolina, if they get past James Madison

I look for the Arkansas-Littler Rock/A&M winner to take out Arizona State
Florida State is too good for OSU or FGCU

 

[YCN]

This link is to an NCAA document called "Selections 101". in the "Quick Links" section is a link to the actual current PDF document, "NCAA Division I Women's Basketball Championship - Principles and Procedures for Establishing the Bracket".

In that document is included a one-page s-curve sheet for placing teams in the regions.

I should also mention that there was a comment about teams from the same conference playing in the same regional. That is a necessary outcome of conferences having more than 4 teams in the tournament, since there are only 4 regional brackets. What isn't allowed is for two teams from the same conference to meet before a regional final, unless the conference places more than 8 teams in the tournament. Then that consequence is inevitable one time for each team more than 8 that receive bids from that conference.

 

[YCN]

But none of it matters. We got the hardest 5 seed spot - since Stanford actually beat (in the conference tour.) both Pac-12 teams they played that were seeded higher than them. And obviously Stanford has been far more successful in Tournament play than about anyone around except Notre Dame, UCONN, & Tenn. To play on their court is a huge challenge. They even beat UCONN there if I recall correctly.

Stanford did beat UConn in overtime in Palo Alto, but they also lost at home to Texas and had another 8 losses, including one team outside the RPI top-100 and one team outside the RPI top-200.

Stanford is good but they are hardly unbeatable. It all depends on which OU team shows up to play them.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Our first opponent:

http://quinnipiacbobcats.com/sports/wbkb/2014-15/teams/quinnipiac?view=lineup

 

[gosooner2]

Best be ready to play against anyone who is 30-3 and 20-0 in their conference regardless of where they are from!

 

[Mac]

just goes to show more Big 12 teams should step it up out of conference, only OU and Texas had strong Ofc schedules...

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

It does seem that way, Mac. But if they had they would have ended up with even more losses I think. No way a team like OSU would have gotten in the field of 64 if they had played 2 or 3 more good/decent teams non-conference.

For the most part teams in the other conferences are doing the same - Play a weak non-conference - mix in 1 to 3 decent teams - but play almost all at home. Then in their conferences they play each team once - some conferences mix in 2 - 4 conference members they have to play twice. Since there are always 4-6 really weak teams in those conferences 5-7 teams end up with lots of wins. The polls and even RPI cannot seem to analyze for that and so they get good poll results and good seeds. We are trapped with 10 teams instead of 16 or so and end up with an "eye test" that looks bad in comparisons. Quinnipiac is an example of what simply winning lots of games does. They played - I think I recall the 236th hardest schedule, but their RPI is not much below ours. I suspect ( ) we would have won lots and lots of games with that schedule too.

We would have been fine this year if we had played several home games non-conference. What do you want to bet we have learned that lesson?

 

[O-State2009]

just goes to show more Big 12 teams should step it up out of conference, only OU and Texas had strong Ofc schedules...

Baylor had a high SOS also.

And I agree somewhat with OU Girl. Had Oklahoma not won so many Big 12 games, they would not have had a 5 seed. Had they ended conference play 9-9 and 16-15 overall, they would not have been in they NCAA tournament. While I think it prepared Oklahoma for the Big 12 challenge a little, I don't see the reward worth the risk overall. And I assume many coaches have that same thought.

OSU seems to be looking to get 2-3 Power 5 teams on their schedule each year, then load up with regional teams that may win their conference & get in the NCAA tournament. The Big 12 schedule will greatly help improve SOS and RPI more years than it doesn't.

 

[YCN]

Best be ready to play against anyone who is 30-3 and 20-0 in their conference regardless of where they are from!

The Bobcats played 27 teams with RPI's worse than 100. They played two games against teams in the RPI top 50 and lost those by an average of 33 points. They didn't beat anyone with an RPI better than 65 (Drexel).

They had 4 wins against the top 100, against RPI's 65, 83, 86, and 93.

OU played 22 opponents in the RPI top 100. They were 12-10 against those teams. OU has 8 victories against teams with better RPI's than anyone the Bobcats beat.

They have five senior starters and good stats. It would be stupid to completely discount their chances, but if I was Sherri more than 50% of my prep time would be concerned with the real threat, Stanford.

ESPN's 548 says OU has a ridiculous 3% chance of reaching the Sweet 16, and less than a 1% chance of winning 3 games.

That tells me how screwed the national perception is of OU basketball, at least on the women's side. They need to keep that chip on their shoulders as long as it lasts.

 

[sybarite]

There are two things that stood out about Quinnipiac. First, they are a senior-laden team. Secondly, they barely outrebounded some rather weak opposition. I wonder if we won't be able to dominate the boards?