Sherri is WAY over paid! Why...

[Oliver Hardy]

Oliver. Is there a point to your last post?

You seem to be saying that colleges would like to drop non-profitable men's sports, but don't. Does this support your argument?

You say that colleges developed sports in order to provide a well-rounded educational experience. Is that correct in the way I have stated it? Have you ever gone back to look at the history of sport in colleges? It had absolutely nothing to do with academia.

Colleges are in the business of sport because they have to be? There are schools that do not have sports. Some have very limited commitment to sports, including some of the best and richest. Is any of what you said actually true, or is it something that we have come to accept?

I think I double-posted on an edit effort, Syb. To answer you:

Yes, I think all of what I said is true based upon fact and reality. Many colleges introduced sports as part of a well-rounded educational experience. Not all chose to do so. In the 18th, 19th and early 20th century, most people didn't get out of grammar school. Society was closed off over the country and we were agrarian in our society and economy. That started changing in the late 1800s and continued to expand through the boom we see today.

Yes, most colleges virtually all colleges started womens' sports because they legally had to. I believe I said that, or certainly implied it. Yes, all colleges would like to get rid of unprofitable sports. That's just economical logic. You don't keep spending on something when you aren't getting any financial return.

However, society has equalized over the last 100 years or so. Dramatically so. The results, more sports, more womens' sports, more spending big profit or no profit.

Society places a much larger emphasis or sports than the world ever has before.

I think I was right. I'm not going to look for a bunch of statistics to cite so you can change the narrative or the discussion because it no longer suits your point (IMO only). It's common knowledge -- just like the Sun comes up in the East, Texas sucks and Miley Cyrus is an uncontrollable exhibitionist and whore.

 

[sybarite]

I think I double-posted on an edit effort, Syb. To answer you:

Yes, I think all of what I said is true based upon fact and reality. Many colleges introduced sports as part of a well-rounded educational experience. Not all chose to do so. In the 18th, 19th and early 20th century, most people didn't get out of grammar school. Society was closed off over the country and we were agrarian in our society and economy. That started changing in the late 1800s and continued to expand through the boom we see today.

Yes, most colleges virtually all colleges started womens' sports because they legally had to. I believe I said that, or certainly implied it. Yes, all colleges would like to get rid of unprofitable sports. That's just economical logic. You don't keep spending on something when you aren't getting any financial return.

However, society has equalized over the last 100 years or so. Dramatically so. The results, more sports, more womens' sports, more spending big profit or no profit.

Society places a much larger emphasis or sports than the world ever has before.

I think I was right. I'm not going to look for a bunch of statistics to cite so you can change the narrative or the discussion because it no longer suits your point (IMO only). It's common knowledge -- just like the Sun comes up in the East, Texas sucks and Miley Cyrus is an uncontrollable exhibitionist and whore.

OK. I can live with the rest of the post that is not bolded, except that I have no idea about Miley Cyrus other than she sang a nice song with her father, who I, otherwise, don't know either.

When you want to have some fun, look back at how sports got into colleges in the first place, at least the competition between institutions. It gets into some fun stuff with students playing for colleges that they never attended, playing for different teams in different weeks, playing against the team this week that they played for last week, and other fun stuff.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

OK. I can live with the rest of the post that is not bolded, except that I have no idea about Miley Cyrus other than she sang a nice song with her father, who I, otherwise, don't know either.

When you want to have some fun, look back at how sports got into colleges in the first place, at least the competition between institutions. It gets into some fun stuff with students playing for colleges that they never attended, playing for different teams in different weeks, playing against the team this week that they played for last week, and other fun stuff.

I'll do that this week, Syb. You say competition, so I assume you mean for students and money. Aren't we saying the same thing then?

 

[sybarite]

I'll do that this week, Syb. You say competition, so I assume you mean for students and money. Aren't we saying the same thing then?

The first such activities involving football were a group of kids from one school challenging a group of kids from another school with no involvement of the schools whatsoever.

 

[giraffespots]

Geez Louise. Some of youse girls need to go hug a tree and calm down!


Really, Oliver? Did you have to go there with Miley? :facepalm That's the only point you have made that I really just have to agree to disagree with.

(think of Miley as a college athletic department. She's a business, not a whore...or any more of a whore than any other singer/celebrity)

 

[MsProudSooner]

We don't have women's sports at Oklahoma because of title 9. We have women's sports because the football program generates enough profit that we can afford them.

If what i read is true, there are less than 10 D1 football programs that are in the black, OU being one of them. Are you saying that if football didn't make so much money we wouldn't have women's sports?

I don't believe that every Negative Nellie who pops up on this board only after loses to rail against everything from Sherri's recruiting to her wardrobe is a sexist, but I'm pretty sure some of them are. One thing i learned in high school English class was to stay away from absolutes. You simply can't say that EVERY negative Nellie is a sexist. But you can't say that EVERY negative Nellie isn't a sexist, either. The truth lies somewhere in between the extremes. If they post enough and you read enough, you can figure it out for yourself. Personally, I can't put a label on each poster. I don't have the stomach to read all of the extremely negative posts. They become boring and repetitive.

 

[soonerstar]

Football carries the load for the other sports.

 

[tycat947]

Do you find it at all interesting that a thread about how Sherri is overpaid has generated so many posts from people who aren't even participants on this board? We never see them other than to find something negative.

I'm fascinated! It's like clockwork and tells me all I need to know! :ez-roll:

 

[badger]

If we extend the cutoff for acceptable Sooners level from top 10 to top 20, we are still making the NCAA selection committee cutoff there:
http://espn.go.com/womens-college-b...2609/losses-top-tier-teams-shake-bracketology

Hell, if we extend the AP poll from top 25 to top 26, we'd be "ranked" instead of just "receiving votes"

 

[garyeb2]

Now, that's funny.

Women's basketball is probably a high enough profile sport that they would continue on even if football revenues dropped significantly. Lessor sports, both men's and women's equally would have to fall by the wayside to get the numbers back in line. However, without the big football money, we wouldn't have a thread like this one because there wouldn't be any million dollar a year women's basketball coaches to discuss.

 

[sybarite]

Women's basketball is probably a high enough profile sport that they would continue on even if football revenues dropped significantly. Lessor sports, both men's and women's equally would have to fall by the wayside to get the numbers back in line. However, without the big football money, we wouldn't have a thread like this one because there wouldn't be any million dollar a year women's basketball coaches to discuss.

Are you saying that it is OK to pay Kruger three times as much? The fact is that some aspects are governed by law, such as scholarships. But, did we always have a profitable football program? When did that start and why? A lot of schools don't have profitable football programs, and they still have women's coaches that make good money. Saying that football is the feeder is rather simplistic and ignores the history of football as well.

 

[garyeb2]

Are you saying that it is OK to pay Kruger three times as much? The fact is that some aspects are governed by law, such as scholarships. But, did we always have a profitable football program? When did that start and why? A lot of schools don't have profitable football programs, and they still have women's coaches that make good money. Saying that football is the feeder is rather simplistic and ignores the history of football as well.

I don't think I mentioned Kruger's salary or his worth. I am saying that the coaching staffs from all sports are paid from monies generated from donor contributions, ticket sales, TV revenue, concessions, t-shirts, ect, and football profits. Football profits being far an away the largest. The greater the football profits the more the coaches in the minor sports can be paid and the larger their recruiting budgets can be. The football profits also allow to have men's and women's track, gymnastics, rowing, field hockey, baseball, tennis, soft ball and whatever else they play.

There is a finite amount of money to support athletics at OU and football provides the bulk of it. Where did you think the money came from? Student tuition or tax payers dollars are not should not or never will be used to pay a multimillion dollar contract of a ball coach.

That may be a simplistic set of facts. But, that is the way it is.

 

[Vinny78]

I'm a troll.

That was a 1999 news release.

Here's the actual number:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportshom...cle_2cd1e9c9-cabf-5bd2-b5c1-2b67362bed44.html



WOW, almost 1.3 million a year. I am even More appauled at her salary. She better blog and soeak publicly more

Someone said to get a good coach you have to pay a million plus. Show me how many womens coaches are getting over $500,000 not many.

Syb, 2 things - i am not and have never been a sexist or a racist - if you knew me you would be 100% sure of this - so quit generalizing. Also, Kruger makes 2.5 million and Sherri Half of that not 3 times as much.
And the mens program sell a Lot more seats at a Lot higher cost. So he is bringing in more and that market for sure demands more. And he has busted his butt and done just what Joe C and the rest of us wanted. Sherri is still below the line and still not doing a great job - the witch at Baylor Is doing a great job

 

[sybarite]

Gary, do you think football was always profitable at OU?

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

I'm a troll.

That was a 1999 news release.

Here's the actual number:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportshom...cle_2cd1e9c9-cabf-5bd2-b5c1-2b67362bed44.html



WOW, almost 1.3 million a year. I am even More appauled at her salary. She better blog and soeak publicly more ��

Someone said to get a good coach you have to pay a million plus. Show me how many womens coaches are getting over $500,000 not many.

Syb, 2 things - i am not and have never been a sexist or a racist - if you knew me you would be 100% sure of this - so quit generalizing. Also, Kruger makes 2.5 million and Sherri Half of that not 3 times as much.
And the mens program sell a Lot more seats at a Lot higher cost. So he is bringing in more and that market for sure demands more. And he has busted his butt and done just what Joe C and the rest of us wanted. Sherri is still below the line and still not doing a great job - the witch at Baylor Is doing a great job

Why are you repeating old news (and posts)?

You're digging a really deep hole here, V boy.

The protestations are a waste of keyboarding. Words are not a valid method for evaluating a person. I've never seen or heard of a sexist or a racist who would admit they were one. Usually they don't even know they are. How do we know whether you are one or not?

Well unless we actually have figured out who you are......

See you at the game tonight.

 

[garyeb2]

Gary, do you think football was always profitable at OU?

Of course not. And even in recent years it wasn't as profitable as it is now. The history of how athletics evolved at the college level is not relevant to this discussion. I'm telling you how it works now in the modern era and how it will work going forward.

Please, put me back on ignore. Feeding you factual information and then having to endure your gyrations trying to digest it is just too time consuming.

 

[sybarite]

Of course not. And even in recent years it wasn't as profitable as it is now. The history of how athletics evolved at the college level is not relevant to this discussion. I'm telling you how it works now in the modern era and how it will work going forward.

Please, put me back on ignore. Feeding you factual information and then having to endure your gyrations trying to digest it is just too time consuming.

I am operating slowly so you can get the point.

Now, why did we spend money developing football if it wasn't profitable?

 

[garyeb2]

I am operating slowly so you can get the point.

Now, why did we spend money developing football if it wasn't profitable?

I know the history of OU Football. I grew up here. I know why Dr. Cross made the commitments that he did and hired Bud. I know how Bud built the dynasty with WWII vets.

Cross was visionary. He saw the potential. He understood that OU had already established a winning tradition before the war. Bennie Owen had won a bunch of games.

He was in a state with a dust bowl mentality and a nation coming off a war. He knew if he gave the state something to hang their hat on he could build something special. And he did it.

That is history. The existing circumstances that allowed that to work are gone. Those circumstance are not coming back. None of that matters now.

Today, if one wants to be a coach at Oklahoma, they have to compete consistently at a high level and do it within a budget.

 

[sybarite]

But, you agree that we decided to build a football program. How did this benefit the women that were over half of the state of Oklahoma?

 

[garyeb2]

But, you agree that we decided to build a football program. How did this benefit the women that were over half of the state of Oklahoma?

I have no idea if women or any other sub set of the population received any benefit direct or residual. The plan was to benefit the university. It did.

If you have a point to make and you want me to follow along till you get there, you need to speed up. I can not think as slow as you do.