Sports Illustrated's most disappointing player of the year: Willie Warren.

[DenverSooner]

Willie ranks at #20 in "conference" scoring.

Are you looking at the season or conference only? He is 9th in the season, I didn't look at conference only.

 

[sheepdogs]

Are you looking at the season or conference only? He is 9th in the season, I didn't look at conference only.

I think competition against teams which are better defensively predicates more as to who has talent and who hasn't. I would rather defer to conference stats given that the Big 12 is a quality conference then against the likes of the St. Mary's and Nichols State's of the world.

 

[playmakr]

I think competition against teams which are better defensively predicates more as to who has talent and who hasn't. I would rather defer to conference stats given that the Big 12 is a quality conference then against the likes of the St. Mary's and Nichols States of the world.

In this case do we not consider that he has only played in a handful of conference games, and hardly any at full speed?

 

[DenverSooner]

I think competition against teams which are better defensively predicates more as to who has talent and who hasn't. I would rather defer to conference stats given that the Big 12 is a quality conference then against the likes of the St. Mary's and Nichols State's of the world.

OK. I don't see him on the list on Big XII stats for conference only. I think he has missed more than 25% of conference games is not eligible (but I am not sure about that). Where are you getting your information?

 

[sheepdogs]

In this case do we not consider that he has only played in a handful of conference games, and hardly any at full speed?

Case in point. If you play in "one" conference game and score 25 points your scoring average is 25/game. His lack of games played in compromises his cumulative total but not his average.

 

[sheepdogs]

OK. I don't see him on the list on Big XII stats for conference only. I think he has missed more than 25% of conference games is not eligible (but I am not sure about that). Where are you getting your information?

Team by team stats indicates his scoring average is 12.9 points per contest. The 19th leading scorer "in conference" has a 13.0 average. I "inserted" him after that.

 

[SoonerfanTU]

He didn't tell us how stats work. I am waiting on the discussion of mean, median and mode as well standard deviations. I partied a lot that semester so TU may be able to teach me a few things.

Baseball, and the NBA to a lesser degree, are the two sports that have moved on to collecting better data to evaluate players. Ever heard of metrics? You could read for months and not understand it all. The heads of baseball organizations, and the fans that are die hard stat freaks have a totally different set of stats they look at to evaluate players. Some end up looking like the traditional lists, and others don't.

But if you don't understand that two players could be averaging 16 ppg, and not be having anywhere close to the same type of season, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[playmakr]

Case in point. If you play in "one" conference game and score 25 points your scoring average is 25/game. His lack of games played in compromises his cumulative total but not his average.

I know how stats work.

However, my question remains valid, and unanswered. Recall, it was a two part question.

 

[thebigabd]

Averaging 16 points a game on good teams (Blake and Hollis) is a lot different than averaging 16 points a game on the worst team the school has had in 30 years.

With that being said, I am actually hoping he comes back. With all the negative stuff, it seems like a great opportunity for him to come back and redeem himself, get his reputation back, and then go to the NBA.

That seems unlikely, but my outlook on next year would actually improve with Willie coming back.

 

[seniorsooner]

I've already said I would absolutely love it if he would come back, work his ace off, and set the example for this team next hear. I don't think anyone denies that WW has the potential to be a great college basketball player.

 

[StatGeek]

How many OU players this decade have averaged over 16 a game on the season? The answer is three and the players that have done it are Blake Griffin, Hollis Price (he did it two seasons in a row), and WILLIE WARREN.

Thinking you are smart and know what you are talking about and actually being smart and informed are very different things. But you keep on believing Seniorsooner. They do say believing is the first step to accomplishing something.

this stat is so interesting because it is false

 

[playmakr]

this stat is so interesting because it is false; never ceases to amaze me how little effort people put into making accurate statements.

Is Ace another one? I thought he averaged 16 a game in 2002.

Is that who you are thinking of?

I don't know if missing one guy is enough to blast a guy for getting his facts wrong. Denver may have simply glossed over Ace. (I'm still not sure if Ace averaged that much, I was thinking around 15-16)

 

[StatGeek]

Is Ace another one? I thought he averaged 16 a game in 2002.

Is that who you are thinking of?

Ace was 16ppg in 02 but that doesnt technically meet his criteria, however some guy named Najera avg 18+ in 2000

 

[playmakr]

Ace was 16ppg in 02 but that doesnt technically meet his criteria, however some guy named Najera avg 18+ in 2000

Oh I thought he said in the past decade, which I would assume meant past 10 years. Yea if you back to 2000 Eddie is there.

 

[StatGeek]

he said "this decade" which I can only presume means 2000's since Hollis and Blake are included, can this be interpreted differently?

 

[playmakr]

he said "this decade" which I can only presume means 2000's since Hollis and Blake are included, can this be interpreted differently?

Oh that's fine, I just had the past 10 years in my head when he said decade. It really doesn't matter to me who you count or don't count, as it's not my stat. I still find it odd you blasted a guy when there is gray area on his stats, especially given what he meant by decade, as well as that old debate about when a decade starts or stops. For example, if 2000 counts, then one could presume 2010 doesn't count since we would be onto the next decade. That's why I assumed he meant past 10 years.

I would also note it would be strange to blast a guy for being 1 player off.

 

[StatGeek]

I don't mind if you actually make a mistake, it does annoy me when people are intellectually dishonest, which is what Denver is being IMO.

So I didn't "blast" him for being incorrect. I am "blasting" him for being dishonest (I will concede that I didnt convey that distinction originally).

 

[playmakr]

I don't mind if you actually make a mistake, it does annoy me when people are intellectually dishonest, which is what Denver is being IMO.

So I didn't "blast" him for being incorrect. I am "blasting" him for being dishonest (I will concede that I didnt convey that distinction originally).

Your feeling is he intentionally left Eddie off? It seems much more likely it was an oversight, or he considered the decade to be the past 10 years.


I digress, I should just let Denver defend himself.

 

[StatGeek]

since the 99-00 season there has been a total of 4 instances where a player averaged over 17FGA&FTA combined per game. They are as follows:

Griffin 09 13.1FGA+9.3FTA=22.7PPG

Najera 00 15.1FGA+5.9FTA=18.4PPG

Warren 10 11.5FGA+6FTA=16.3PPG

McGhee 02 12.3FGA+5FTA=16.0PPG

There seems to be some correlation between shot attempts and scoring average.

 

[StatGeek]

Your feeling is he intentionally left Eddie off? It seems much more likely it was an oversight, or he considered the decade to be the past 10 years.


I digress, I should just let Denver defend himself.

possible, but I think the model presented was crafted with a certain POV. Much like his Capel poll options were all slanted towards a certain POV. I feel he does this sort of thing all the time, but of course thats just my POV.