Surprise! OSU no longer has scholarship issues

[garyeb2]

There are two tiers of college sports. Revenue and non revenue. Those two revenue sports are football and men's basketball. Including men's basketball is a little edgy because only some schools turn a profit with it. But, it can be done.

Any school that wants to achieve at a high level in a non revenue sport can do so it by simply throwing money at it. If some school says that they are willing to lose more money at golf and wrestling than another school, they will beat the other school.

The OSU boys taking pride and puffing their chest out over recent football success is fine and dandy. They have done well. Same with ancient basketball success. All the rest of it is for the fans of that particular school and has little to do with national prestige and whether or not mine is better than yours.

 

[KBaden145]

There are two tiers of college sports. Revenue and non revenue. Those two revenue sports are football and men's basketball. Including men's basketball is a little edgy because only some schools turn a profit with it. But, it can be done.

Any school that wants to achieve at a high level in a non revenue sport can do so it by simply throwing money at it. If some school says that they are willing to lose more money at golf and wrestling than another school, they will beat the other school.

The OSU boys taking pride and puffing their chest out over recent football success is fine and dandy. They have done well. Same with ancient basketball success. All the rest of it is for the fans of that particular school and has little to do with national prestige and whether or not mine is better than yours.

Good points, Gary. I look at it a little differently though. With increased exposure from ESPN and Fox, CBS, NBC on their sports channels, these non-revenue sports have become a commodity in these new TV agreements conferences are making. Baseball, softball, and hockey to a degree are getting more regular season games covered and much more tournament coverage. These networks are committing to non-revenue sports viewers have an interest in. No one is interested in televising more wrestling duals. No growth and very little interest equals to an increasingly insignificant and slowly dying sport.

 

[Max Power]

I think there are three tiers as well for college sports.

Tier 1: National TV coverage throughout its entire season.
Tier 2: Spot ESPN coverage during the regular season and heavy coverage during its postseason.
Tier 3: Little to no TV coverage.

My two questions are: Is Women's CBB Tier 1 or Tier 2? and...Is Women's Softball Tier 2 or Tier 3? Here's how I see the other sports: football and men's basketball - Tier 1; baseball and hockey - Tier 2; everything else - Tier 3. I wouldn't be surprised if lacrosse sneaks into the second tier 5-10 years from now, but wouldn't say it's there just yet.

Lacrosse and Men's & women's soccer get good tv coverage. Should they be tier 2?

 

[garyeb2]

Good points, Gary. I look at it a little differently though. With increased exposure from ESPN and Fox, CBS, NBC on their sports channels, these non-revenue sports have become a commodity in these new TV agreements conferences are making. Baseball, softball, and hockey to a degree are getting more regular season games covered and much more tournament coverage. These networks are committing to non-revenue sports viewers have an interest in. No one is interested in televising more wrestling duals. No growth and very little interest equals to an increasingly insignificant and slowly dying sport.

I just have an opinion. I'm not claiming to be right or wrong. But, a question. Just because something is on TV, does that fact alone make the something valuable?

 

[KBaden145]

I just have an opinion. I'm not claiming to be right or wrong. But, a question. Just because something is on TV, does that fact alone make the something valuable?

I didn't say anything about if they have value or not. Value really isn't the point. Football is the only program with any real value for the most part. Significance is what I'm talking about. Sports that get tv exposure are those that draw the most interest and are the most significant on a national basis. College wrestling has little interest right now and I believe that only continues to drop from here.

 

[KBaden145]

This scenario encapsulates this discussion in a simple way:

OState fan "We have 51 National Championships!"

A crowd forms, very interested to here more.

OState fan "34 of them are in one sport!"

Crowd gets bigger, curious which sport it might be.

OState fan "They are in wrestling"

Crowd disperses, uninterested and disappointed.

 

[oSuJeff97]

I almost feel sorry for oswho fans. Their supposed greatness in hoops is so key to their self-worth as fans

I feel sorry for anyone who derives "self worth" from how their particular "team" or "teams" are doing.

I'm an OSU fan, first and foremost, because I went to school there.

There is nothing that any particular OSU sports team can do that will alter how I feel about the school.

I love OSU for that reason. If the sports teams are doing well, then that's just gravy.

 

[KBaden145]

I feel sorry for anyone who derives "self worth" from how their particular "team" or "teams" are doing.

I'm an OSU fan, first and foremost, because I went to school there.

There is nothing that any particular OSU sports team can do that will alter how I feel about the school.

I love OSU for that reason. If the sports teams are doing well, then that's just gravy.

This actually is a good point and good to hear. There does need to be that separation and perspective. I didn't attend OU and don't necessarily love the University. I am, however a huge fan of their athletic programs and have been all my life. Nothing wrong with that (despite what some OState people I know think) and I certainly don't live and die by how our teams perform. I hope my kids go to OU, not bc it's OU or bc I'm a fan, but bc I live in Norman and would be close to them.

 

[Sam]

Hohum, can you go into further detail into why you deleted your post?