TaShawn Thomas eligibility ?

[Dave4OU]

What are the odds he is eligible to play in 2014-2015?

 

[KBaden145]

I'd say for sure less than 50%, maybe less than 30%...


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[stoopified]

Anyone know why softball players can transfer and play right away and other players can't? I was watching OUr Sooner ladies play and couldn't help wodering why Pendley (transfer from Arizona last year) and Stevens (transfer from Stanford this year) did not have to sit out.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Anyone know why softball players can transfer and play right away and other players can't? I was watching OUr Sooner ladies play and couldn't help wodering why Pendley (transfer from Arizona last year) and Stevens (transfer from Stanford this year) did not have to sit out.

NCAA rules.

The transfer restrictions we are familiar with apply to football, as well as men's and women's basketball. In most other NCAA sports, a student-athlete can transfer and be eligible to play immediately.

Now don't ask me to explain the NCAA's logic behind these "freedoms" allowed to players in the other sports, while restricting football and basketball players. Maybe someone else can explain that.

 

[garyeb2]

NCAA rules.

The transfer restrictions we are familiar with apply to football, as well as men's and women's basketball. In most other NCAA sports, a student-athlete can transfer and be eligible to play immediately.

Now don't ask me to explain the NCAA's logic behind these "freedoms" allowed to players in the other sports, while restricting football and basketball players. Maybe someone else can explain that.

I think it has something to do with scholarship restrictions. Softball and baseball for example don't have enough scholarships to field a team. Many of the players are on half scholarship so as to have enough players to field a team. With those kind of restrictions on one side of the coin means lessor restrictions on the other side.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Here is one explanation of the rule. See the Note at the end.

Transfer rule: In most cases, a student-athlete who transfers from one NCAA institution to another is permitted to practice and receive athletics aid immediately at the second institution. As a general rule, the transfer student is required to serve an "academic year-in-residence" at the second institution prior to competing. However, several exceptions to the transfer rule exist that enable a student-athlete to be immediately eligible for competition at the second institution. The most commonly used exception is known as the "one-time transfer exception." As the name suggests, this exception allows a student-athlete to transfer from one NCAA institution to another on one occasion and be immediately eligible for competition. Certain conditions must be met to use this exception, including: (1) the student-athlete must have been in good academic standing and academically eligible for competition at the previous institution; (2) the previous institution must grant the student-athlete written permission to use of the exception; and (3) the student-athlete cannot have transferred previously from a four-year institution. [Note: In Division I, the one-time transfer exception is not available if the student-athlete wishes to participate in basketball, men's ice hockey or Division I/Football Bowl Subdivision football at the second institution].

 

[SoonerTraveler]

I think it has something to do with scholarship restrictions. Softball and baseball for example don't have enough scholarships to field a team. Many of the players are on half scholarship so as to have enough players to field a team. With those kind of restrictions on one side of the coin means lessor restrictions on the other side.

You could be correct. See this link/pdf file:

http://www.wegotplayers.com/webroot/files/cms/NCAA Scholarship Limits.pdf

 

[SoonerTraveler]

[Note: In Division I, the one-time transfer exception is not available if the student-athlete wishes to participate in basketball, men's ice hockey or Division I/Football Bowl Subdivision football at the second institution].

In addition to the scholarship numbers, another possible reason for the tougher transfer restriction: These are net revenue producing sports.

For those that don't know, men's ice hockey is a big time sport up north. For example, I have a friend who graduated from the University of Wisconsin. They have a waiting-list for season tickets to ice hockey, just like OU does for football.

 

[AdaSooner]

As the name suggests, this exception allows a student-athlete to transfer from one NCAA institution to another on one occasion and be immediately eligible for competition. Certain conditions must be met to use this exception, including: (1) the student-athlete must have been in good academic standing and academically eligible for competition at the previous institution; (2) the previous institution must grant the student-athlete written permission to use of the exception; and (3) the student-athlete cannot have transferred previously from a four-year institution.

Judging by everything we know about Thomas, he has met all of the conditions that would allow him to transfer without sitting out next year.

What am I missing here?

 

[Section31]

I think it has something to do with scholarship restrictions. Softball and baseball for example don't have enough scholarships to field a team. Many of the players are on half scholarship so as to have enough players to field a team. With those kind of restrictions on one side of the coin means lessor restrictions on the other side.

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[SoonerTraveler]

Judging by everything we know about Thomas, he has met all of the conditions that would allow him to transfer without sitting out next year.

What am I missing here?

As stated in the "note" in the rule quoted above, those rules do not apply to football, basketball or ice hockey.

 

[Dave4OU]

I think we could easily be Sweet 16 maybe even better with him in lineup, I hope the NCAA allows him to play, The laws and by laws dont seem to be followed in every case, His coach resigned I thought that allowed him a way out but who knows with the NCAA.

 

[AdaSooner]

As stated in the "note" in the rule quoted above, those rules do not apply to football, basketball or ice hockey.

Ah, yes. I scanned right over that part. That may be because I read what I wanted to see and blocked the rest. lol

 

[colston15]

Seems like Thomas' best chance to earn a waiver is that 1) Houston had a coaching change and 2) Once he declared his intentions to transfer after said coaching change, Houston put fairly severe limitations on where he could go.

I.e. no Texas schools. But admittedly I'm putting some blind hope into that idea. This guy is the missing piece next season...

 

[Max Power]

Seems like Thomas' best chance to earn a waiver is that 1) Houston had a coaching change and 2) Once he declared his intentions to transfer after said coaching change, Houston put fairly severe limitations on where he could go.

I.e. no Texas schools. But admittedly I'm putting some blind hope into that idea. This guy is the missing piece next season...

I think the best chance is the fact that his new coach is a two time violator of ncaa rules that had a show clause

 

[stoopified]

I think the best chance is the fact that his new coach is a two time violator of ncaa rules that had a show clause

True dat

 

[usedtobe1]

I think the best chance is the fact that his new coach is a two time violator of ncaa rules that had a show clause

Exactly. No way will he get a waiver for immediate eligibility based on a normal coaching change. The extenuating circumstances of not wanting to play for a 2-time NCAA violator might give him a chance, but even that is iffy. It would be difficult to play/work for someone that violates your sense of ethics.

 

[sperry]

I just don't see how he gets the waiver. As far as I can tell, these are generally only granted in the case of health or family issues.



I can't imagine the NCAA would allow Kelvin's previous violations to factor into granting the waiver, when Sampson has already served the time for those violations.

 

[JBaker]

I just don't see how he gets the waiver. As far as I can tell, these are generally only granted in the case of health or family issues.



I can't imagine the NCAA would allow Kelvin's previous violations to factor into granting the waiver, when Sampson has already served the time for those violations.

A player transferred away from Houston last year because his dad was a coach there and got reassigned, and he got immediate eligibility at Oregon, even though that's not where his dad got reassigned to.

So I'm not saying Thomas will get the waiver, but it's certainly possible.

 

[usedtobe1]

A player transferred away from Houston last year because his dad was a coach there and got reassigned, and he got immediate eligibility at Oregon, even though that's not where his dad got reassigned to.

So I'm not saying Thomas will get the waiver, but it's certainly possible.

I agree it's possible. It depends how strict the NCAA is with waivers this year. It's gotten a lot of attention and they even had a subcommittee study it. I sense they won't be as lenient this year. Just my opinion......

Joseph Young was the player from Houston who got the waiver a year ago, and former Cougar star Michael Young was the father. Michael Young wasn't a coach but he did work for the athletic department. He was director of basketball operations and was reassigned to another position in the athletic department. He didn't want the reassignment and sued the university. I know his lawsuit was later dismissed in October and he is no longer employed at the U of Houston.

Sophomore Joseph Young was the leading scorer on the Houston team at 18 ppg and decided to transfer to Oregon last summer because of his father's lawsuit. His waiver was approved and he was Oregon's leading scorer at 18.9 ppg last season, and has another year to play. Great transfer for Oregon.

I honestly think that mess with the Young's played into Thomas deciding to transfer. Young and Thomas were friends and in the same recruiting class at Houston. There was a lot of turmoil going on inside the athletic department.....

In other cases the NCAA was tough on waivers so they didn't send a consistent message. Iowa State had a player from NYC, Kerwin Okoro, and his father died of a stroke and his older brother also died from cancer during the previous season. He decided to transfer closer to home to be with his family, and his waiver request was denied. There was such an uproar over the ruling that the NCAA later reversed themselves and granted the waiver.

I don't know how the NCAA will rule on the Thomas waiver, and really nobody does. The NCAA has allowed Kelvin to coach again but they didn't expunge his record. I honestly think the Thomas waiver has a better than 50/50 chance but I wouldn't bet any money on it.

It's just difficult to predict how the NCAA will rule..