Texas was up 65-47 on N.C. State

[DenverSooner]

I hate to sound like a Brown apologist, but historically speaking he's much better than you are giving him credit for. Even when they had Chris Simms they were still posting Top 10 seasons. And keep in mind he also turned around North Carolina.

No doubt the Gilbert gaffe has come to haunt them the last two years. With that being said, they still have two games left to come out 8-4, maybe 9-4 with a bowl win. So I think it's TBD as far as what should happen with him. But overall, just because Stoops has gotten the best of him, doesn't mean he hasn't been one of the best coaches since 2000.

I'm with you on Barnes though... No one has continued to do less with more. And judging by this awful start to the season, they'll be lucky to even make the tournament. I don't think people should praise him at Texas because he has actually been able to have a modicum of success at an institution that should've been a basketball power all along. They could do much, much better there than with Barnes.

Texas is going to beat Baylor in Waco and A&M in College Station? I doubt it. The best win on the season for Texas is probably Iowa State in Ames and Iowa State turned the ball over three times in the first quarter.

Texas has beaten Rice 4-7, BYU 8-3 (but look at the schedule before you get excited about this winning record), UCLA 6-5, ISU 6-4, Kansas 2-9, Texas Tech 5-6. Three teams with winning records and you think they are going to win two road games against Baylor and A&M? Do you even follow the Big XII?

 

[stoops4pres]

Texas is going to beat Baylor in Waco and A&M in College Station? I doubt it. The best win on the season for Texas is probably Iowa State in Ames and Iowa State turned the ball over three times in the first quarter.

Texas has beaten Rice 4-7, BYU 8-3 (but look at the schedule before you get excited about this winning record), UCLA 6-5, ISU 6-4, Kansas 2-9, Texas Tech 5-6. Three teams with winning records and you think they are going to win two road games against Baylor and A&M? Do you even follow the Big XII?

LOL, do you even follow the content of what people actually post on here?

You're making it seem like I'm guaranteeing Texas is going to win both games or something, when all I said was that they haven't lost both games yet. Therefore, it's a bit premature to automatically count them out without hesitation.

And while the odds are certainly against them, it's definitely not impossible that they can win both if they can get their running backs back to health. Baylor's offense has struggled against defenses below Texas' caliber, and A&M isn't immune to upsets at home this season (i.e. Missouri).

Either way, it's funny for me to observe you imply that there is no way upsets can happen in the Big 12. So I appreciate the laugh. You probably still think OU didn't lose to Texas Tech at home, either...

 

[MercedeSooner]

Ouch.

Me thinks UT needs to give more $ to their Canadian street agent.

 

[DenverSooner]

LOL, do you even follow the content of what people actually post on here?

You're making it seem like I'm guaranteeing Texas is going to win both games or something, when all I said was that they haven't lost both games yet. Therefore, it's a bit premature to automatically count them out without hesitation.

And while the odds are certainly against them, it's definitely not impossible that they can win both if they can get their running backs back to health. Baylor's offense has struggled against defenses below Texas' caliber, and A&M isn't immune to upsets at home this season (i.e. Missouri).

Either way, it's funny for me to observe you imply that there is no way upsets can happen in the Big 12. So I appreciate the laugh. You probably still think OU didn't lose to Texas Tech at home, either...

You pretty much implied Texas was going to win by tossing out a 9-4 record. To the extent you did not actually imply it, you invited an inference that Texas would win. I simply said I doubt it. I did not remotely say Texas would lose all three remaining games (A&M, Baylor, toilet bowl) but I do think Texas will be the underdog against A&M and Baylor.

 

[Sawyer]

A&M isn't immune to upsets at home this season (i.e. Missouri).

Given that both A&M and Missouri are 6-5 and Mizzou has beat A&M something like 4 of the last 5, I'd hardly call that an upset.

I also wouldn't call it an upset if Texas beat them, though.

UT is possibly the only Big 12 team whose defense doesn't suck.

 

[DenverSooner]

Given that both A&M and Missouri are 6-5 and Mizzou has beat A&M something like 4 of the last 5, I'd hardly call that an upset.

I also wouldn't call it an upset if Texas beat them, though.

UT is possibly the only Big 12 team whose defense doesn't suck.

Well just about everyone else would call Missouri beating A&M in College Station most years an upset and certainly this year. The line for Texas this weekend is Texas +7.5. or +8. So that too would be an upset.

A&M will cover in my opinion.

 

[Sawyer]

Well just about everyone else would call Missouri beating A&M in College Station most years an upset and certainly this year. The line for Texas this weekend is Texas +7.5. or +8. So that too would be an upset.

A&M will cover in my opinion.

And just about everyone thought A&M was a top 10 team before the season started. As it turns out... not so much.

I don't care what the spread says before the game. In hindsight, MU over A&M wasn't an upset, and IMO UT over A&M wouldn't be, either.

 

[DenverSooner]

And just about everyone thought A&M was a top 10 team before the season started. As it turns out... not so much.

I sure didn't but that has nothing to do with whether Missouri was a dog in college station. They were. It was an upset.

 

[sperry]

Who is etc.?

You've named three of the best coaches of a generation. I can think of maybe four other coaches I would be confident in saying they'd never have a stretch like Brown's past two years (and two of those four, Carroll and Tressell, are currently out of college coaching after NCAA issues; the other two are Miles and maybe Petrino).

On the other hand, how many coaches would you be absolutely confident in winning a national title at Texas?

I think there is a huge number of coaches who could do as good a job as Mack Brown. I think there is a large pool of guys that you could hire from that you could be confident would do at worst as good a job as Mack has, and could probably do better. Texas is set up to be the premier football program in the country, yet they can't even win their own conference under Mack Brown.

 

[Sawyer]

I sure didn't but that has nothing to do with whether Missouri was a dog in college station. They were. It was an upset.

To me an upset has nothing to do with being a dog in the spread and everything to do with actually being a worse team. Given what we've seen through 11 games, I don't think A&M has done anything to suggest they absolutely should have won that game.

I think there is a huge number of coaches who could do as good a job as Mack Brown. I think there is a large pool of guys that you could hire from that you could be confident would do at worst as good a job as Mack has, and could probably do better. Texas is set up to be the premier football program in the country, yet they can't even win their own conference under Mack Brown.

Disagree that there's a large pool of guys who, if they were in Brown's position, would win one national title and play for another (which, had McCoy not been injured, they very well may have won). Certainly there aren't a lot who I'd be confident in saying they'd accomplish that. The idea that just anyone should luck into a few titles and any good coach would win several is a bit ridiculous.

 

[stoops4pres]

You pretty much implied Texas was going to win by tossing out a 9-4 record.

If you took me implying that the season is not automatically lost for Brown because they still could win the next 2-3 games, as for an implication that Texas would certainly win the next 2-3 games, then whatever. I don't think I gave off the unwavering confidence that Texas would definitively win both remaining regular season games. But if you want to look too deep into my post and argue otherwise, go for it.

To the extent you did not actually imply it, you invited an inference that Texas would win.

The poster I responded to wrote Texas off and automatically counted them losing both remaining games (hence, him stating the cumulative 13 losses in two seasons; 7 losses in 2010, 6 losses in 2011). Is it not indeed a fact that Texas has the chance with two games left to go to finish 8-4? They are 6-4 now. Add 2, that is a regular season finish of 8-4. That was all I said. Me throwing out an alternate scenario instead of a scenario of Texas losing both outright doesn't look like I'm implying they would automatically win both games, not to me at least. One poster treated a scenario of them losing the next two as fact (by already referencing a 6-6 record), I treated a scenario of them winning the next two as a possibility. You are confusing the "fact" and "possibility" as one and the same, when they are not.

In short, if you consider me stating a possibility to instead be an insinuation that Texas is guaranteed to win, then don't let me stop you. I'll just agree to disagree.

I did not remotely say Texas would lose all three remaining games (A&M, Baylor, toilet bowl) but I do think Texas will be the underdog against A&M and Baylor.

You didn't say it, you just acted like it couldn't happen. Hence, going so far as to question whether I keep up with the Big 12 because I threw out an alternative yet not-as-likely scenario, as if I had the nerve to think upsets could not happen in this league. But go on ahead with that logic; it makes for an entertaining read on here.

 

[stoops4pres]

Given that both A&M and Missouri are 6-5 and Mizzou has beat A&M something like 4 of the last 5, I'd hardly call that an upset.

I also wouldn't call it an upset if Texas beat them, though.

UT is possibly the only Big 12 team whose defense doesn't suck.

I basically agree with you. I was referring to the perceived upset/underdog that happening.