The Big 12 has accepted UCF, Cincy, Houston, and BYU

[Eielson]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Back up this nonsense with facts. When was the last season where six teams from that group were in the top 25?

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess never. I would confidently guess that more than 3/7 are top 25 in less than five years in history.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess never. I would confidently guess that more than 3/7 are top 25 in less than five years in history.

Fully agree. Many of those schools go years and years without sniffing the rankings.

 

[mict085]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Nebraska gets 50 million a year to lose games in every sport in the Big 10. They ain't moving anytime soon.

Soon to be $70 million+ but, yeah, they’d come back to a dying conference of mid major basketball schools. It’s preposterous and I don’t see how anyone could take it seriously, much less utter it aloud.

 

[NickZepp]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Soon to be $70 million+ but, yeah, they’d come back to a dying conference of mid major basketball schools. It’s preposterous and I don’t see how anyone could take it seriously, much less utter it aloud.

Arkansas hasn't been relevant in the SEC since Houston Nutt really. Yet we always heard rumors of the Big 12 trying to snatch them from the SEC. That never had a chance. Even as irrelevant as they've been they have been raking in cash since then and haven't even been that good in other sports. They were pretty bad in basketball most of the last 20 years before they finally got things going the last couple years. I remember even in 2009-10 ish realignment people like abd would say "We could get Arkansas!"

 

[NickZepp]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

From Dylan Buckingham. I got no idea if it's got a chance at all but KU/OSU to the B1G isn't a bad fit. WVU and ISU would go to the ACC probably.

https://twitter.com/DylanBuckingham/status/1419043212434550786

And this would be a big positive for both programs getting probably more than OU/Tx would initially.

 

[NickZepp]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Nah.... They could be a really good basketball league by adding Gonzaga, BYU, Memphis, Creighton... Getting back up to 12 teams.

I still like UCF, San Diego State, UNLV, and Cincy... Good potential in football and basketball. P5 football facilities. Excellent recruiting areas. Would be even better if they could get Nebraska and BYU and get a 14 team league going.

Big 12 (Something Division)
Kansas
Kansas State
UNLV (playing a world class football stadium)
Nebraska
BYU
Iowa State
San Diego State (has a brand new football stadium being constructed for next year)

Big 12 (The Other Division)
West Virginia
Central Florida
Cincy
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma State

There's your conference right there.... Any given football season and WVU, UCF, Tech, OSU, Baylor, Nebraska, SDSU are top 25 teams. You can't not be a P5 league when half your league is usually in the Top 25.

And it's a killer basketball league too.

Your dream world is weird. Why not throw in Liberty and Coastal Carolina while we're at it.

Honestly if OSU wanted to from some Frankenstein league with some of the better parts of the PAC it may work for a super league. I'm kinda thinking we see some of the PAC fall apart to reassemble down the line too though. USC and UCLA and Washington, and Oregon seem like the only real viable parts of that conference right now potentially.

But as I posted above Big 10 for OSU would be great for them.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Your dream world is weird. Why not throw in Liberty and Coastal Carolina while we're at it.

Honestly if OSU wanted to from some Frankenstein league with some of the better parts of the PAC it may work for a super league. I'm kinda thinking we see some of the PAC fall apart to reassemble down the line too though. USC and UCLA and Washington, and Oregon seem like the only real viable parts of that conference right now potentially.

But as I posted above Big 10 for OSU would be great for them.

Don’t tempt him ... next thing you know, we will have a new thread telling us that Liberty if LOADED.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Don’t tempt him ... next thing you know, we will have a new thread telling us that Liberty if LOADED.

It's a game and nothing more, but if that isn't the case then it's another "case" if you know what I mean.

 

[skyvue]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Don’t tempt him ... next thing you know, we will have a new thread telling us that Liberty if LOADED.

I'm surprised he didn't include some junior colleges in his smoke dreams of a super hoops conference.

 

[paboomersooner]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

There may not be a BIG or ACC left for anyone after all the dust settles.

https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/07/23/clemson-football-sec-serious-contact/

 

[NickZepp]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

There may not be a BIG or ACC left for anyone after all the dust settles.

https://rubbingtherock.com/2021/07/23/clemson-football-sec-serious-contact/

Not buying that for the B1g. Right now Big teams are making more than SEC teams. Pac 12 falls apart before the Big or ACC does. Scheduling for 16 teams will be tough enough for the SEC it would be dumb to add teams unless they want it to not feel like a conference. There's already a good chance if it's divisional right now teams won't play each other in the SEC but twice a decade for the most part. -

 

[lexusooner]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Is it time to say RIP to the Big 12 or can the conference finally do something right and pull a rabbit out of the hat? If the conference is to survive oSu, TCU, K State, and Tech must assume leadership roles rather than the tag along roles they’ve been accustomed too over the past 100 years.

OU-Tex to the SEC is a 99% done deal - The SEC brass kept the aggies in the dark so they could do their due diligence insuring they had the necessary votes.
The Big 12’s remaining 8 members discussed among other things, joining PAC as a 20 team super conference.
That ain’t happening. I don’t believe the West coast likes Christian schools.
Funny thing is while each of the remaining eight Big 12 teams criticized OU and Tex and promised B12 solidarity in this weeks meetings none of them were being honest. Rather they all did the exact thing they are mad at OU and texas for doing. They each shifted to self preservation mode at 80 mph. I can’t blame them for reaching out to save themselves from a possible sinking ship. I can blame them for not being honest and saying “without OU and Tex in the B12 we are going to explore our options.”
They are taking calls and making enough calls to burn up cell towers.
What is going to happen? No one knows for sure as of now
Odds the way I see it

95-100%
OU = SEC
tex = SEC

80-90% chance
KU = B10
ISU =B10

70-80% chance
WVU= ACC

50% chance
Tech =Pac
oSu =Pac

If all those team leave the B12 has three remaining teams: KState, Baylor, TCU

In an effort to maintain Power 5 status the B12 needs between 12 and 16 teams and several of them need recent or historical football success. They can possibly achieve this by offering some or all of:
Cincinnati
SMU
Houston
UCF
USF
Memphis
Colorado St
Air Force
BYU
UNLV
Boise
Tulsa
SDSU
Louisiana
Coastal Carolina
Ark St

I see a tiny sliver of a path in which the B12 can keep P5 status: They must talk Tech and oSu from leaving and add each of the following:
1-BYU (Historic football success)
2-UCF (recent NY 6 participant huge recruiting area)
3-Cincy(recent NY 6 participant)
4- Boise ((Recent football success)
5-Houston (Huge TV market, recruiting hot bed, and moderate success)
6-Louisiana (Talent recruiting area, recent football success)
By adding these 7 schools for football to TCU, Tech, Baylor, oSU and KSt there is a chance the B12 is still a P5 conference by the skin of their teeth.

I predict the current B12 schools who are offered membership in another P5 conference will likely accept as they would be gambling 15 million or so on the B12 maintaining P5 status.
That leaves KState, Baylor, TCU and 9 to 13 of the afore mentioned teams to form the “new B12” where they’ll be relegated to Group of 5 status yet due to having some quality names still manage to get a TV deal big enough to receive an annual payout of at least 20 million and up to 24 million per team. Not what B12 teams currently receive but more than any Group of 5 teams receive.
That’s where I see it heading …

 

[BoulderSooner]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

P5 status is gone from the big 12 forever.

The are now G6. If they still even exist as a league.

P4. And don’t surprised if the new playoff is the 5 best conf champs and 7 at large

 

[Eielson]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

P5 status is gone from the big 12 forever.

The are now G6. If they still even exist as a league.

P4. And don’t surprised if the new playoff is the 5 best conf champs and 7 at large

I imagine that the SEC, B10, ACC, and Pac-12 champs will be automatic. Not sure which conference would warrant a 5th automatic bid, unless you mean guaranteeing at least one non-power conference team gets in.

I also think 4-5 SEC teams will be in on average.

 

[NickZepp]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

I imagine that the SEC, B10, ACC, and Pac-12 champs will be automatic. Not sure which conference would warrant a 5th automatic bid, unless you mean guaranteeing at least one non-power conference team gets in.

I also think 4-5 SEC teams will be in on average.

The proposal they are putting out has no automatic bids outside of 6 conference champs.

 

[Eielson]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

the proposal they are putting out has no automatic bids outside of 6 conference champs.

six?!

 

[thebigabd]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Back up this nonsense with facts. When was the last season where six teams from that group were in the top 25?

Some combo of those teams comes in and out of the top 20 or top 25 fairly regularly.. Don't get me wrong, none of them are blue bloods by ANY STRETCH of the imagination. The plan requires multiple programs to grow to P5 level quickly. It would take UNLV, SDSU, UCF, and Cincy 3-4 years of recruiting to get on the same level as OSU, Baylor, etc and that's if things go well.

If you assume Nebraska would never leave the Big 10 for a league under development, then you have to look to Boise State to add another quality football program... And in this time frame they have been WAY more successful than Nebraska.

I just hope something like this happens instead of everything scrambling to Big 10, ACC, and Pac-12. There is a viable league here.


In 2016:

Oklahoma State went 10-3 (top 10)
Kansas State went 9-4 (top 25)
Boise State went 10-3 (top 20)
Baylor went 7-6 (top 25)
San Diego State went 11-3 (top 25)
West Virginia went 10-3 (top 20)
BYU went 9-3

In 2017:

UCF went 13-0 (top 10)
Boise State went 11-3 (top 20)
San Diego State went 10-3 (top 25)
Oklahoma State went 10-3 (top 15)
TCU went 11-3 (top 10)
Kansas State went 8-5 (bowl team)
Iowa State went 8-5 (bowl team)
West Virginia went 7-6 (bowl team)

In 2018:
UCF went 12-1 (top 15)
Boise State went 10-3 (top 25)
Iowa State went 8-5 (bowl team, top 25)
West Virginia went 8-4 (bowl team, top 20)
BYU went 7-6 (bowl team)
Baylor went 7-6 (bowl team)
OSU went 7-6 (bowl team)
TCU went 7-6 (bowl team)
San Diego State went 7-6 (bowl team)

In 2019:
Baylor went 11-3 (top 15)
Cincy went 11-3 (top 20)
UCF went 10-3 (top 25)
Boise State went 12-2 (top 25)
San Diego State went 10-3 (top 25)
Oklahoma State went 8-5 (top 25)
Kansas State went 8-5 (top 20)
Iowa State went 7-6 (bowl team)

 

[NickZepp]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

six?!

Could change to 5. But yeah it's 6 right now.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Some combo of those teams comes in and out of the top 20 or top 25 fairly regularly.. Don't get me wrong, none of them are blue bloods by ANY STRETCH of the imagination. The plan requires multiple programs to grow to P5 level quickly. It would take UNLV, SDSU, UCF, and Cincy 3-4 years of recruiting to get on the same level as OSU, Baylor, etc and that's if things go well.

If you assume Nebraska would never leave the Big 10 for a league under development, then you have to look to Boise State to add another quality football program... And in this time frame they have been WAY more successful than Nebraska.

I just hope something like this happens instead of everything scrambling to Big 10, ACC, and Pac-12. There is a viable league here.


In 2016:

Oklahoma State went 10-3 (top 10)
Kansas State went 9-4 (top 25)
Boise State went 10-3 (top 20)
Baylor went 7-6 (top 25)
San Diego State went 11-3 (top 25)
West Virginia went 10-3 (top 20)
BYU went 9-3

In 2017:

UCF went 13-0 (top 10)
Boise State went 11-3 (top 20)
San Diego State went 10-3 (top 25)
Oklahoma State went 10-3 (top 15)
TCU went 11-3 (top 10)
Kansas State went 8-5 (bowl team)
Iowa State went 8-5 (bowl team)
West Virginia went 7-6 (bowl team)

In 2018:
UCF went 12-1 (top 15)
Boise State went 10-3 (top 25)
Iowa State went 8-5 (bowl team, top 25)
West Virginia went 8-4 (bowl team, top 20)
BYU went 7-6 (bowl team)
Baylor went 7-6 (bowl team)
OSU went 7-6 (bowl team)
TCU went 7-6 (bowl team)
San Diego State went 7-6 (bowl team)

In 2019:
Baylor went 11-3 (top 15)
Cincy went 11-3 (top 20)
UCF went 10-3 (top 25)
Boise State went 12-2 (top 25)
San Diego State went 10-3 (top 25)
Oklahoma State went 8-5 (top 25)
Kansas State went 8-5 (top 20)
Iowa State went 7-6 (bowl team)

Finishing the season rated is a reflection of a rather successful season while becoming rated for a week or two is a different story.

Boise State plays a weaker schedule than Nebraska and this is one reason why they have a better record. If they play Nebraska's schedule chances are their record would suffer from it.

 

[NickZepp]

Re: So we may be seeing the Big 12 RIP.

Some combo of those teams comes in and out of the top 20 or top 25 fairly regularly.. Don't get me wrong, none of them are blue bloods by ANY STRETCH of the imagination. The plan requires multiple programs to grow to P5 level quickly. It would take UNLV, SDSU, UCF, and Cincy 3-4 years of recruiting to get on the same level as OSU, Baylor, etc and that's if things go well.

If you assume Nebraska would never leave the Big 10 for a league under development, then you have to look to Boise State to add another quality football program... And in this time frame they have been WAY more successful than Nebraska.

I just hope something like this happens instead of everything scrambling to Big 10, ACC, and Pac-12. There is a viable league here.


In 2016:

Oklahoma State went 10-3 (top 10)
Kansas State went 9-4 (top 25)
Boise State went 10-3 (top 20)
Baylor went 7-6 (top 25)
San Diego State went 11-3 (top 25)
West Virginia went 10-3 (top 20)
BYU went 9-3

In 2017:

UCF went 13-0 (top 10)
Boise State went 11-3 (top 20)
San Diego State went 10-3 (top 25)
Oklahoma State went 10-3 (top 15)
TCU went 11-3 (top 10)
Kansas State went 8-5 (bowl team)
Iowa State went 8-5 (bowl team)
West Virginia went 7-6 (bowl team)

In 2018:
UCF went 12-1 (top 15)
Boise State went 10-3 (top 25)
Iowa State went 8-5 (bowl team, top 25)
West Virginia went 8-4 (bowl team, top 20)
BYU went 7-6 (bowl team)
Baylor went 7-6 (bowl team)
OSU went 7-6 (bowl team)
TCU went 7-6 (bowl team)
San Diego State went 7-6 (bowl team)

In 2019:
Baylor went 11-3 (top 15)
Cincy went 11-3 (top 20)
UCF went 10-3 (top 25)
Boise State went 12-2 (top 25)
San Diego State went 10-3 (top 25)
Oklahoma State went 8-5 (top 25)
Kansas State went 8-5 (top 20)
Iowa State went 7-6 (bowl team)

The problem is the Big 12 teams are used to making 30 million a year each in 1st and 2nd tier rights. A reformed Big 12 will probably give them around 10-12 maybe 15 mil in rights. Maybe they can sign with a streaming service and get a couple million more to go around 17 mil. They are losing half their money. That's why if ISU and KU get a Big 10 invite they take it. WVU gets an ACC invite they take it. With how OSU is building it's facilities 15 million ain't gonna cut it. ISU has expanded it's facilities too in recent years. 15 mil ain't cutting it. I'm sure it's the same with TCU. Not as sure about Tech and KSU or WVU but I'm sure being used to double the amount would kill their budgets. Big 12 isn't reforming unless you see the Pac 12 implode. Which may happen. Pac 12 can't even get on DirectTV.

A realistic new Big 12 would be the 8 Big 12 teams and 4 Cal teams. Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Utah. That league is probably good enough to get about what the Big 12 was with OU/Texas. Now I'm not sure if it would spread around and keep the same budget for all schools but it would be less of a drop off.