To add insult to injury

[MVPx2]

Yeah, I guess KU really had no real desire to go undefeated in Big XII conference play and wrap up the regular season championship outright that day.

Give me a break. Your post is the epitomy of sour grapes.

We will lose Anderson, and yes, that will hurt. However, we will be adding the #1 JUCO prospect in JP Olukemi, who has been going head to head with Anderson in practice every day and by most accounts is the real deal. Pilgrim will become more of a focal point of the offense and will likely see his production go up. Darrell Williams will also be a nice addition to the post. Penn will be back to 100% after his knee injury.

Saying that we won't do ___________ because we are losing _________ & _____________ has already been proven wrong before.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Here's a question, lets say we do pull the upset and beat OSU in the first round

would that make everyone feel a little better going into the offseason after the season we've had?

Upseting osu wouldn't make me feel better because beating osu isn't the "end all/be all" for most OU fans. However, if we upset them and start a 4 game winning streak and win the Big 12 championship, it would certainly help improve my mindset going into the offseason. Any less than that though won't help one bit.

 

[blankenship4]

Yeah, I guess KU really had no real desire to go undefeated in Big XII conference play and wrap up the regular season championship outright that day.

Give me a break. Your post is the epitomy of sour grapes.

We will lose Anderson, and yes, that will hurt. However, we will be adding the #1 JUCO prospect in JP Olukemi, who has been going head to head with Anderson in practice every day and by most accounts is the real deal. Pilgrim will become more of a focal point of the offense and will likely see his production go up. Darrell Williams will also be a nice addition to the post. Penn will be back to 100% after his knee injury.

Saying that we won't do ___________ because we are losing _________ & _____________ has already been proven wrong before.

Also dont forget we have Mr. Basketball in Louisiana, Markel Brown, coming in with a 42" vertical and athletic freaks Brian Williams and Michael Cobbins. We will be very athletic next year

 

[oSuJeff97]

Yeah, I'll get back with you on this one mid way through next season when OSU is not looking like an NCAA tournament team. They have one of the top 5 players in the country on the team and yet Ford can only mustard up a 9-7 conference record, 7th place in conference, and likely only an 8/9 seed in the NCAA. Lets see how they look without Anderson and Muonelo with no one on the team to fill those gaps.

Same song, different day.

I still have yet to see you address my question that I've posed on numerous occasions:

Is James Anderson supposed to win games 1 vs. 5?

It doesn't matter if you have the best player in the conference if you don't have a great supporting cast to surround him.

OSU's supporting cast is decent, but not great.

Another fact that you are continuing to ignore is that OSU lost its starting point guard 2 games into conference play.

But hey... keep telling yourself that Ford isn't doing a great job if it makes you feel better.

Saying that we won't do ___________ because we are losing _________ & _____________ has already been proven wrong before.

Exactly.

In case we've all forgotton, here are some blasts from the past on this board:

Posted back in June:

I think they will be slightly better than last year's team was during the nonconference, but not even close to as good as last year's team was at the end of the season.

OSu finished with an equal record in a much tougher overall conference.

I think OSU will miss Eaton more than people think. Anderson is very good but Eaton was the one that made it all possible.

This one was a VERY common theme. Almost everyone who posted about OSU this year had some variation on this theame. Most were predicting that Anderson wouldn't be nearly as successful because Eaton would be gone.

 

[blankenship4]

Yeah, I'll get back with you on this one mid way through next season when OSU is not looking like an NCAA tournament team. They have one of the top 5 players in the country on the team and yet Ford can only mustard up a 9-7 conference record, 7th place in conference, and likely only an 8/9 seed in the NCAA. Lets see how they look without Anderson and Muonelo with no one on the team to fill those gaps.

but but but but but but capel had 3 MCDAA and preseason national player of the year and he could only muster up a 4-12 record

 

[blankenship4]

Its also very clear that fords players actually improve over the course of the season, unlike some of capels. The improvement of 1st year players, Gulley and Pilgrim, really gave us a boost in conference play

 

[AdaSooner]

We will lose Anderson, and yes, that will hurt. However, we will be adding the #1 JUCO prospect in JP Olukemi, who has been going head to head with Anderson in practice every day and by most accounts is the real deal. Pilgrim will become more of a focal point of the offense and will likely see his production go up. Darrell Williams will also be a nice addition to the post. Penn will be back to 100% after his knee injury.

Also dont forget we have Mr. Basketball in Louisiana, Markel Brown, coming in with a 42" vertical and athletic freaks Brian Williams and Michael Cobbins. We will be very athletic next year

Sooner fans can point to a lot of parallels with the optimism we had going into the current season. Last year's freshman of the year in the Big 12 and a pre-season AA was back, along with two or three pretty solid players in Crocker, Davis, and what we hoped would be a vastly improved Ryan Wright. Throw in a top five recruiting class that included two McDonald's All-Americans and there was every reason to believe that OU would be pretty darned good this year. That was before reality hit us square in the face!

That may not happen to OSU next season. But if you think you're not going to miss James Anderson and Obi, just as we missed Blake, Taylor and AJ, you're kidding yourself.

 

[blankenship4]

Sooner fans can point to a lot of parallels with the optimism we had going into the current season. Last year's freshman of the year in the Big 12 and a pre-season AA was back, along with two or three pretty solid players in Crocker, Davis, and what we hoped would be a vastly improved Ryan Wright. Throw in a top five recruiting class that included two McDonald's All-Americans and there was every reason to believe that OU would be pretty darned good this year. That was before reality hit us square in the face!

That may not happen to OSU next season. But if you think you're not going to miss James Anderson and Obi, just as we missed Blake, Taylor and AJ, you're kidding yourself.

The big difference is Ford can get his freshman to play hard and get them to understand their role. Ford doesnt allow "me" players

 

[AdaSooner]

I bet you were saying the same things last year when we lost Eaton and Harris. Ford found a way to get it done this year, I'm confident he will do the same next year as well.

Eaton, yes, to some extent, although he was never what I would call consistent. But definitely not Harris. You're not seriously comparing Anderson to those them are you? He could tie one hand behind his back and beat Eaton and Harris two on one. That may be a slight exaggeration, but he's that much better than those two players ever were.

 

[blankenship4]

Eaton, yes, to some extent, although he was never what I would call consistent. But definitely not Harris. You're not seriously comparing Anderson to those them are you? He could tie one hand behind his back and beat Eaton and Harris two on one. That may be a slight exaggeration, but he's that much better than those two players ever were.

Last year we had a very good senior point guard running the point. This year we have a backup freshman point guard who is 0-20 from 3 playing 30 minutes a game in the best conference in america.

Yes, ford can get it done

 

[AdaSooner]

The big difference is Ford can get his freshman to play hard and get them to understand their role. Ford doesnt allow "me" players

I have said more than once that I have been impressed with how hard Ford's kids play for him. But that doesn't mean he's not capable of bringing in players who for one reason or another, simply don't mesh well as a team. All it takes is one or two player who can't (or won't) buy into what he's selling and team chemistry suffers. It's easy to say, well, just send them packin' or sit them on the bench to teach them a lesson. But an injury or two, combined with a player who doesn't pan out the way you hoped can change those plans in a hurry.

 

[Dignon003]

Next season OSU will be less dependent on the three, bigger, finally have some depth inside, more athletic on the perimeter, better defensively and have more balanced scoring.

Anderson will be a huge loss. Obi to me is like losing Harris. The difference is that I believe that our coach is the real deal and he'll get the most out of his players.

We will win a whole bunch of games and go dancing again.

 

[Sam]

Saying that we won't do ___________ because we are losing _________ & _____________ has already been proven wrong before.

But each time you lose blank and blank it is a different scenario with different loses and different replacements. For example lets look at UNC and their last two national championship teams.
After their 05 championship they were still a tournament team even after losing 4 top 15 draft picks off the team.
Now after their 09 championship they again lost 4 NBA draft picks yet now are a borderline NIT team.

Just because the concept of losing players leading to struggling for a team has been proven wrong before doesn't mean it will continue to be true in the future.

 

[AdaSooner]

Last year we had a very good senior point guard running the point. This year we have a backup freshman point guard who is 0-20 from 3 playing 30 minutes a game in the best conference in america.

Yes, ford can get it done

OU was 30-6 last year, largely due to the fact that we had senior leadership and a great player in Blake Griffin. If you can't see the similarities, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[earlpearl]

Pokes should not kid ourselves. Anderson is one of the best players in the country. WE WILL MISS HIM. I do think if the incoming players are as billed then Ford will have us nipping the heels of another NCAA tourney. At any rate it should be fun to find out.

The freshmen for next year really excite me from what I have heard. OSU will be getting much more athletic in a hurry. How that transfers to basketball IQ remains to be seen esp. in their first year. The only thing that worries me is that Anderson was always a work horse that you could depend on night in and out. That consistencey will be missed. Next year it will have to be done by five players instead of one.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

OU was 30-6 last year, largely due to the fact that we had senior leadership and a great player in Blake Griffin. If you can't see the similarities, I don't know what to tell you.

I vote to let them enjoy their gloating.

They have a dishonorable coach that views players as chattel and has been reprimanded by his university for his lack of verbal restraint against said players in the past...his own wife was said to be disgusted when she heard how he talked to players. I think that you can get some short-term traction from that approach, and clearly it has benefitted the W-L record...but overall I still think our guy is a better coach, and definately a better person (and I am a big believer that our patience with one bad season will be rewarded).

 

[Dignon003]

The difference is next year we are not counting on Freshmen and Sophomores to be leaders as OU had to deal with this season.

Leadership and Chemistry go a long way. OSU is way ahead in that stage of the game.

 

[earlpearl]

I vote to let them enjoy their gloating.

They have a dishonorable coach that views players as chattel and has been reprimanded by his university for his lack of verbal restraint against said players in the past...his own wife was said to be disgusted when she heard how he talked to players. I think that you can get some short-term traction from that approach, and clearly it has benefitted the W-L record...but overall I still think our guy is a better coach, and definately a better person (and I am a big believer that our patience with one bad season will be rewarded).

Umm I gues you know them both personally.

 

[Dignon003]

I vote to let them enjoy their gloating.

They have a dishonorable coach that views players as chattel and has been reprimanded by his university for his lack of verbal restraint against said players in the past...his own wife was said to be disgusted when she heard how he talked to players. I think that you can get some short-term traction from that approach, and clearly it has benefitted the W-L record...but overall I still think our guy is a better coach, and definately a better person (and I am a big believer that our patience with one bad season will be rewarded).

LOL

Isn't this the 2nd bad season?

 

[blankenship4]

i vote to let them enjoy their gloating.

They have a dishonorable coach that views players as chattel and has been reprimanded by his university for his lack of verbal restraint against said players in the past...his own wife was said to be disgusted when she heard how he talked to players. I think that you can get some short-term traction from that approach, and clearly it has benefitted the w-l record...but overall i still think our guy is a better coach, and definately a better person (and i am a big believer that our patience with one bad season will be rewarded).

tilt