Tony Mitchell note- Mizzou recruit

[Cheno]

Speaking of NCAA issues, though... will Selby be bringing his AAU coach's Mercedes to Lawrence with him, or will he be trading it in for one of Scott Pollard's old cars?

Pollard's 15 year old truck was purchased by Tyshawn and it was ran up the flag pole to the NCAA before it was ever done.
I'd worry about getting your best recruit eligible if I was you.
KU's is already eligible.

Is Mizzou hiring his dad as the director of basketball operations as well?

I don't know but that's perfectly legal.
Maybe OU should bring in some recruits and set them up with jobs at Big Red.
We can go around like this all day every day with every school.



Mizzou is in a world of hurt if Tony Mitchell doesn't play this year.

 

[thebigabd]

Mizzou is in a world of hurt if Tony Mitchell doesn't play this year.

Are you out of your mind?

PG: Mike Dixon
SG: Marcus Denmon (returning double figure scorer)
SF: Kim English (All big 12)
PF: Laurence Bowers (returning double figure scorer)
PF: Ricardo Ratliffe (Big 12 Newcomer of Year)

Dixon is one of the most promising young pg's in the league, English is an all league guy, Ratliffe will be an all league guy, and Denmon and Bowers are very solid.

They are a lock for the NCAA Tournament with or without Mitchell. In no way will they be in a "world of hurt".

 

[1H3@rtH0$]

We can go around like this all day every day with every school.

Yeah, so why did you start it with your typical BS hating on Mizzou? That really gets old. This is not a ku board.

 

[thebigabd]

Yeah, so why did you start it with your typical BS hating on Mizzou? That really gets old. This is not a ku board.

Cheno can be a clown when discussing Mizzou.

 

[OUhoops11]

I don't know but that's perfectly legal.
Maybe OU should bring in some recruits and set them up with jobs at Big Red.
We can go around like this all day every day with every school.
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Congrats on a truly horrible analogy. Bomar and Quinn did not attend OU because they were promised jobs at BRSI. Can you say the same about Chalmers and his dad?

 

[Cheno]

Yeah, so why did you start it with your typical BS hating on Mizzou? That really gets old. This is not a ku board.

I was mocking Sawyer and his BS hating on KU in the other thread. He's so concerned with something at KU that has nothing to do with the basketball program yet this Tony Mitchell deal is nothing in his eyes. The irony of the timing is funny.
What's not being a KU board have to do with Mizzou? We're discussing Mizzou.

Congrats on a truly horrible analogy. Bomar and Quinn did not attend OU because they were promised jobs at BRSI. Can you say the same about Chalmers and his dad?

So let me get this straight....you know for a fact that Bomar and Quinn weren't promised high paying jobs once they got to Norman but you do know for certain that Ronnie Chalmers was promised the KU DO job. LOL. Okay.
But regardless, it's not against the rules to higher a recruits dad or coach. Terry Evans was OU recruits AAU coach and he was hired for a year and then let go. If Tommy Griffin was given the DO job at OU I wouldn't care in the least bit. He's a good, honest deserving guy. So was Ronnie Chalmers.

 

[Cheno]

Are you out of your mind?

PG: Mike Dixon
SG: Marcus Denmon (returning double figure scorer)
SF: Kim English (All big 12)
PF: Laurence Bowers (returning double figure scorer)
PF: Ricardo Ratliffe (Big 12 Newcomer of Year)

Dixon is one of the most promising young pg's in the league, English is an all league guy, Ratliffe will be an all league guy, and Denmon and Bowers are very solid.

They are a lock for the NCAA Tournament with or without Mitchell. In no way will they be in a "world of hurt".

I didn't mean a "world of hurt" like they wouldn't make the tourney. Of course they will make the tourney...that's no major feat for a team I've seen picked as top 15 in the country. I just don't see it. There are a lot of "what ifs" in your above scenario. Ratliffe has never done a thing in the Big 12. Bowers is soft. I've just never been impressed with Denmon. He does absolutely nothing against decent teams. We've been down the route and you must agree because you never dispute it. Dixon...don't know much about him other than he's never did anything the games I've seen him play. I saw Mizzou a half dozen times last year and he didn't do much. In the 4 games against KU/KSU that I saw he was non-existant. I just looked it up and he scored a total of 8 points in those games. Again there is a lot of "what ifs".
At best Mizzou gets third in the North without Tony Mitchell. At best.

 

[playmakr]

I don't know but that's perfectly legal.
Maybe OU should bring in some recruits and set them up with jobs at Big Red.
We can go around like this all day every day with every school.

Pick a different school on this board.

 

[Sawyer]

Million dollar FBI probes involving AAU power brokers and the fathers of current or former players are usually a big deal...

The Mitchell situation is not because it has nothing to do with Mizzou OR his potential NCAA eligibility. A couple of details have become public that hadn't been before, but Mizzou and the NCAA already knew about it and were already in the process of working through things. It was already known that he would need to do some extra work this summer, which isn't at all uncommon (I believe the Morris twins, among dozens of other recruits every year, also had some work to do during the summer).

 

[Cheno]

Million dollar FBI probes involving AAU power brokers and the fathers of current or former players are usually a big deal...

It's a huge deal for the individuals in the ticket office who are probably going to jail, potentially Lew Perkins since it's partially on his watch and the inner workings of the KU athletic department. It's not a big deal at all with regards to the coaches and players of the basketball and football team. That's what's comical. Your leap to KU players being involved/getting paid was ridiculous and there hasn't been a single allegation or even mention of the fact.

The Mitchell situation is not because it has nothing to do with Mizzou OR his potential NCAA eligibility.

LOL. This is worse than the Darrell Arthur allegation and that was a big deal to you and Mizzou fans. Now this allegation isn't a big deal? You are crazy dude. And what do you mean it has nothing to do with his NCAA eligibility. Even Mitchell isn't sure if he's going to make it this year. He doesn't even have his ACT score yet. Now there is facts coming out that he made up 9, count them 9, classes in two days and 5 of them in a 2 hour period. His credits have been taken away and he will not graduate this weekend. So he will not graduate this weekend and he doesn't have his ACT score but you're saying it has nothing to do with his NCAA eligibility. Okay.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

It's a huge deal for the individuals in the ticket office who are probably going to jail, potentially Lew Perkins since it's partially on his watch and the inner workings of the KU athletic department. It's not a big deal at all with regards to the coaches and players of the basketball and football team. That's what's comical. Your leap to KU players being involved/getting paid was ridiculous and there hasn't been a single allegation or even mention of the fact.

Dude, no offense, but if this were happening at Mizzou or OU, you'd feel quite a bit differently. Seriously, the FBI is investigating your program, step up from NCAA wouldn't you say?

 

[Cheno]

Dude, no offense, but if this were happening at Mizzou or OU, you'd feel quite a bit differently. Seriously, the FBI is investigating your program, step up from NCAA wouldn't you say?

The FBI is investigating individuals in the ticket office and individuals involved in the scalping of tickets. It's a horrible deal but it has nothing to do with the athletic teams. And no, I wouldn't be making up stuff about players getting paid, etc if it was OU or Mizzou. It's crazy. The guy spilling the beans all this to try and avoid jail time hasn't even brought up the sports teams or coaches. It has nothing to do with them. It's Mizzou and KSU fans trying to make stuff up because they can't beat KU on the hardcourt. Just imagine dealing with OSU fans in football. Same thing. Like little sister making up tales.

Prime example is the Tony Mitchell deal and Mizzou fans saying it's no big deal. Well, the allegations are worse than the Darrell Arthur deal and that was a huge deal to Mizzou fans when that was brought up about Arthur and KU. The Mitchell deal is twice as bad as that plus it has more facts backing it up.

 

[1H3@rtH0$]

It's a horrible deal but it has nothing to do with the athletic teams.

Really? Aren't the main "brokers" in this scandal the Pump Bros? How many Pump N Run players have gone to KU since this started? I think it's at least 9. What makes you think that there is no connection there since the Pump Bros were making hundreds of thousands of $ from ku athletics?

Prime example is the Tony Mitchell deal and Mizzou fans saying it's no big deal. Well, the allegations are worse than the Darrell Arthur deal and that was a huge deal to Mizzou fans when that was brought up about Arthur and KU. The Mitchell deal is twice as bad as that plus it has more facts backing it up.

Ummmm... difference is (can't believe I have to point this out to you) Tony Mitchell is not yet an MU student. Arthur was already on the team when the allegations came out. If Mitchell is declared ineligible, how in the he!! will that reflect poorly on Mizzou. I mean wouldn't it reflect just as poorly on every other team that recruited him? Mizzou fans say it's no big deal because even if he is declared ineligible, it's not like he played on the team. All he did was sign an LOI.

 

[OUhoops11]

So let me get this straight....you know for a fact that Bomar and Quinn weren't promised high paying jobs once they got to Norman but you do know for certain that Ronnie Chalmers was promised the KU DO job. LOL. Okay.
But regardless, it's not against the rules to higher a recruits dad or coach. Terry Evans was OU recruits AAU coach and he was hired for a year and then let go. If Tommy Griffin was given the DO job at OU I wouldn't care in the least bit. He's a good, honest deserving guy. So was Ronnie Chalmers.

Your reading comprehension sucks.


I never said hiring a family member was illegal. Obviously, it's not. Thank you captain obvious.

 

[thebigabd]

Ratliffe has never done a thing in the Big 12.

He will be the pre-season newcomer of the year. He is the best juco player in the country. He will be a good player for them.

Bowers is soft.

All-Reserve Team by a panel of Big 12 sportswriters for his play off the bench ... Ranked third on the team in scoring at 10.2 points and second in rebounding (5.7) ... Second on the club in field goal percentage (.555) and was tops in blocked shots (48)...

#10 in offensive rebounding
#6 in blocked shots
#19 in rebounding

Not a bad sophomore season, if you ask me. He will be better as a junior.

I've just never been impressed with Denmon. He does absolutely nothing against decent teams. We've been down the route and you must agree because you never dispute it.

He is a very solid role player and was still just a soph... He had plenty of good games and averaged nearly 11 per game in Big 12 play. When you average 11 per game in the Big 12 for an NCAA Tournament team you are a pretty good player.

Oregon- 17 points
Georgia- 13 points
Kansas State (NCAA team)- 14 points
Texas Tech (NIT team)- 20 points
OSU (NCAA Team)- 12 points
A&M (NCAA Team)- 9 points
Colorado (in Boulder)- 22 points
at Nebraska- 24 points

As for Mike Dixon.. he averaged 8 ppg as a true freshman backup to a 4 year starter... he is going to be a good player for them.

 

[Sawyer]

LOL. This is worse than the Darrell Arthur allegation and that was a big deal to you and Mizzou fans. Now this allegation isn't a big deal? You are crazy dude. And what do you mean it has nothing to do with his NCAA eligibility. Even Mitchell isn't sure if he's going to make it this year. He doesn't even have his ACT score yet. Now there is facts coming out that he made up 9, count them 9, classes in two days and 5 of them in a 2 hour period. His credits have been taken away and he will not graduate this weekend. So he will not graduate this weekend and he doesn't have his ACT score but you're saying it has nothing to do with his NCAA eligibility. Okay.

You seem to have a tendency to attribute things to people who never said them... the only comments I've made about Arthur's situation here were after you brought it up and called it a huge scandal (your words, not mine), and all I said was that I doubt you'd be willing to give back the games he played in. Either it's a huge scandal and he should have been ruled ineligible, thus negating all the wins he participated in, or it wasn't that big of a deal in the end.

Either way... this is not worse than that. Darrell Arthur had grades changed for classes he never passed. Mitchell passed the classes at an accredited school. The Dallas district does not recognize that particular accrediting body for home-school based curriculum in another state, and that's an across the board decision that isn't specific to Mitchell. It's not unusual at all for students who have been home schooled or taught in non-traditional private school settings to be denied a direct credit transfer and later take tests to replace the credit... that happens all the time. When home school students decide to enter public schools, that's how they prove what they know... especially if they're coming in from another state. Had Mitchell transferred to a public school in Florida there wouldn't have been any issue because Florida does recognize the school. That's quite a bit different than a kid who had grades changed for classes he never passed.

Also... I'd point out that Arthur's team DID end up forfeiting the games he played in, including two state titles. At this point, Mitchell's season still stands.

And then of course there's the fact that the Arthur thing broke after he had already played two years in college and won a national title. Had it broken earlier, he probably never would have been eligible at kansas (and of course, games played with an ineligible player are forfeited...).

In short... Arthur never passed those classes. Mitchell did. Arthur had grades changed by educators. Mitchell did not.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

You seem to have a tendency to attribute things to people who never said them... the only comments I've made about Arthur's situation here were after you brought it up and called it a huge scandal (your words, not mine), and all I said was that I doubt you'd be willing to give back the games he played in. Either it's a huge scandal and he should have been ruled ineligible, thus negating all the wins he participated in, or it wasn't that big of a deal in the end.

Either way... this is not worse than that. Darrell Arthur had grades changed for classes he never passed. Mitchell passed the classes at an accredited school. The Dallas district does not recognize that particular accrediting body for home-school based curriculum in another state, and that's an across the board decision that isn't specific to Mitchell. It's not unusual at all for students who have been home schooled or taught in non-traditional private school settings to be denied a direct credit transfer and later take tests to replace the credit... that happens all the time. When home school students decide to enter public schools, that's how they prove what they know... especially if they're coming in from another state. Had Mitchell transferred to a public school in Florida there wouldn't have been any issue because Florida does recognize the school. That's quite a bit different than a kid who had grades changed for classes he never passed.

Also... I'd point out that Arthur's team DID end up forfeiting the games he played in, including two state titles. At this point, Mitchell's season still stands.

And then of course there's the fact that the Arthur thing broke after he had already played two years in college and won a national title. Had it broken earlier, he probably never would have been eligible at kansas (and of course, games played with an ineligible player are forfeited...).

In short... Arthur never passed those classes. Mitchell did. Arthur had grades changed by educators. Mitchell did not.

Maybe.

J/K

Going forward I am being careful on any assertion on anything. Six months ago, I would have said that OU was clean as a whistle...now, I'm having some doubts lol.

 

[Sawyer]

True.

But at this point there's more evidence suggesting kansas paid all the Pump AAU alumni than there is that Mitchell's grades were changed.

 

[Cheno]

But at this point there's more evidence suggesting kansas paid all the Pump AAU alumni than there is that Mitchell's grades were changed.

The report isn't questioning him getting his grades changed but more so how he passed 9 courses in two days and 5 courses in two hours. But I guess if Ricky Clemons can pass 24 hours over a summer to get eligible then anything can happen.

But the funny thing is there is absolutely zero evidence that Kansas paid all the Pump AAU alumni. You claim there's evidence when again it's never even been brought up by anyone but you. It's not even in question.
Again, Mizzou has 5 Pump AAU guys on their team this year alone. They are all over the country. The Pumps don't even associate with most the teams...the teams use their name and are sponsored by Addidas.
But let's look closer at the 9 guys over a 10 year span KU has gotten (keep in mind Mizzou has 5 on this years roster so 9 isnt' that many).

The facts:
-Omar Wilkes & David Padgett were on the LA based Pump in Run which is where a lot of the top west coast guys played. Both were recruited and came to KU because of Roy. Both left after Roy left.
-Mario Chalmers played for the Alaska Pump and Run coached by his dad. Simply were affiliated with Pump like the KC team. You really think the Pump brothers have a pipeline in Alaska going? If anything Mario came to KU because his dad was hired as DO...that's what you've been saying for years anyways.
-Jeff Withey. The fact is he played AAU ball primarily for BBO. He played in a total of 2 tournaments his entire career for a Pump team. Look at his Scout.com page and it says his AAU team is BBO. And regardless he signed with Arizona out of high school. You think there was some scheme where he'd go to Arizona first and then transfer to KU? LOL
-Elijah Johnson. The fact is he played AAU ball primarily for the Las Vegas Prospects and some I believe with Houston Hoops. He played a total of 3 tourneys his entire AAU career with a Pump team.
-Then the other 4 kids are Tyrel Reed, Conner Teahan, Travis Releford and Brady Morningstar all Kansas kids who grew up wanting to go to Kansas.
Even Sawyer has said the KC Pump and Run team isn't affiliated with the Pump Brothers (probably covering his butt cuz Mizzou has 5 of them on his team.

Those are the facts. Again, there hasn't even been a hint of these guys getting paid to go to KU. It's purely about a select few of individuals in the ticket office and associates getting away with over a million bucks. they will surely go to jail if it's all true.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

The report isn't questioning him getting his grades changed but more so how he passed 9 courses in two days and 5 courses in two hours. But I guess if Ricky Clemons can pass 24 hours over a summer to get eligible then anything can happen.

But the funny thing is there is absolutely zero evidence that Kansas paid all the Pump AAU alumni. You claim there's evidence when again it's never even been brought up by anyone but you. It's not even in question.
Again, Mizzou has 5 Pump AAU guys on their team this year alone. They are all over the country. The Pumps don't even associate with most the teams...the teams use their name and are sponsored by Addidas.
But let's look closer at the 9 guys over a 10 year span KU has gotten (keep in mind Mizzou has 5 on this years roster so 9 isnt' that many).

The facts:
-Omar Wilkes & David Padgett were on the LA based Pump in Run which is where a lot of the top west coast guys played. Both were recruited and came to KU because of Roy. Both left after Roy left.
-Mario Chalmers played for the Alaska Pump and Run coached by his dad. Simply were affiliated with Pump like the KC team. You really think the Pump brothers have a pipeline in Alaska going? If anything Mario came to KU because his dad was hired as DO...that's what you've been saying for years anyways.
-Jeff Withey. The fact is he played AAU ball primarily for BBO. He played in a total of 2 tournaments his entire career for a Pump team. Look at his Scout.com page and it says his AAU team is BBO. And regardless he signed with Arizona out of high school. You think there was some scheme where he'd go to Arizona first and then transfer to KU? LOL
-Elijah Johnson. The fact is he played AAU ball primarily for the Las Vegas Prospects and some I believe with Houston Hoops. He played a total of 3 tourneys his entire AAU career with a Pump team.
-Then the other 4 kids are Tyrel Reed, Conner Teahan, Travis Releford and Brady Morningstar all Kansas kids who grew up wanting to go to Kansas.
Even Sawyer has said the KC Pump and Run team isn't affiliated with the Pump Brothers (probably covering his butt cuz Mizzou has 5 of them on his team.

Those are the facts. Again, there hasn't even been a hint of these guys getting paid to go to KU. It's purely about a select few of individuals in the ticket office and associates getting away with over a million bucks. they will surely go to jail if it's all true.

F.B.I. probe. Admit, nothing good can come from an F.B.I. probe into your program. I know that some guy that may have questionable grades going to play for your rival is fair game, but seriously, F.B.I. probe.