Tony Mitchell note- Mizzou recruit

[Sawyer]

The report isn't questioning him getting his grades changed

No one said it did.

but more so how he passed 9 courses in two days and 5 courses in two hours. But I guess if Ricky Clemons can pass 24 hours over a summer to get eligible then anything can happen.

He didn't pass nine courses in two days or five courses in two hours. They were tests, not courses, and the timeframe is alleged by an anonymous source (that wasn't authorized to talk about it in the first place).

Even if that is true, you don't know what the tests looked like or what courses they were for. Five tests covering English I, II, III and Algebra I and II wouldn't take that long... a lot of the information would overlap, and with the tests being on a pass/fail basis there's no point in repeating items from a lower level course if he can demonstrate competency in the later courses.

Interesting choice in comparisons. Like Mitchell, Clemons' situation sounds a lot worse than it was. He took 9 hours of correspondence junior college credits (and I believe just barely passed those) in one summer. That's a pretty normal load. The other 15 credits were PE courses.

But the funny thing is there is absolutely zero evidence that Kansas paid all the Pump AAU alumni.

That's the freakin' point. There is virtually no evidence suggesting those players were paid, except that Morningstar's dad was directly involved and Chalmers' dad did receive payment as a coach of one of their AAU programs.

You claim there's evidence when again it's never even been brought up by anyone but you.

Not really... more like claiming there were several dots out there, and the potential for connecting them was there, and it really wouldn't take a huge leap to get there (your denial notwithstanding).

It's not even in question.

You're blind if you don't see that it's at least possible.

Again, Mizzou has 5 Pump AAU guys on their team this year alone.

Keep on throwing that walk-on into the number. That'll totally make MU look just as bad as ku.

They are all over the country.

Yes, they are. And as we all know, the power brokers in the AAU world are among the most wholesome influences in the lives of thousands of kids every year.

There hasn't even been a hint of these guys getting paid to go to ku. It's purely about a select few of individuals in the ticket office and associates getting away with over a million bucks. they will surely go to jail if it's all true.

Ok.

 

[Cheno]

He didn't pass nine courses in two days or five courses in two hours. They were tests, not courses, and the timeframe is alleged by an anonymous source (that wasn't authorized to talk about it in the first place).
Even if that is true, you don't know what the tests looked like or what courses they were for. Five tests covering English I, II, III and Algebra I and II wouldn't take that long... a lot of the information would overlap, and with the tests being on a pass/fail basis there's no point in repeating items from a lower level course if he can demonstrate competency in the later courses.

So you think that taking and passing 5 course exams in a 2 hour period is normal? That's 25 minutes a test. You can't be serious? And you are saying a kid that hasn't been able to get an 18 on his ACT could pass those 5 tests in 2 hours. And a total of 9 in 2 days. Hmmmm, interesting take I guess. Probably just pure coincidence he's a stud basketball player.

The good thing about him going to Mizzou is if he can't get his ACT they will fly someone in to take it for him. That's how some of your best teams ever were formed.

Keep on throwing that walk-on into the number. That'll totally make MU look just as bad as ku.

The 9 number being thrown out for KU has walk-ons included. LOL.
So when talking KU you want to include walk-ons and when talking Mizzou walk-ons don't count....is that what you're saying? I'm just being consistent.

 

[Sawyer]

You're right. kansas has eight, not nine, who received a scholarship, including five from outside the KC area.

Regarding the tests... until there's specific information regarding which courses he tested out of and what the DISD's standard method of determining earned credit is... yes. The ACT takes 3 hours and 25 minutes and tests five different categories... but it's testing all knowledge learned over four years of high school (which covers roughly a dozen core credits). Mitchell was tested over five total credits in two hours. If the ACT can test an entire high school career's worth of knowledge in an average of 15-20 minutes per high school credit (of MAX time), then I don't see anything unreasonable about what Mitchell supposedly did.

Nice 25 year old ACT smack... maybe we can get the FBI to investigate that, too.

 

[Cheno]

LOL, okay man, keep believing that.

 

[1H3@rtH0$]

Sawyer,

You might as well give up. Cheno doesn't have the ability to converse with an MU or KSU fan without it just becoming a dissing contest. He is, after all, a member of one of the most arrogant and obnoxious fanbases around. That would be ku men's basketball fans. Most ku fans don't care about anything else because that's the only sport they're consistently good at. They're the epitome of bandwagon fans. If you asked most of them how they're women's softball, football, men's and women's track, baseball or other teams did they'd just say "I don't know, but our basketball team was ranked #1 for most of the year." I know that OU has plenty of football bandwagon fans but we've also got plenty of fans who care about all the other sports and are fans of the university. It's kinda sad that ku fans put all their allegience toward a program that has only won three NCAA championships in their history. That may be more than MU, but at least MU has some history of good football, good wrestling, good baseball, etc. ku is a one-trick pony and all of this conference realignment business may leave them in a second tier conference which will be funny.

 

[BigTime]

Sawyer,

Why don't you guys have one of these done for KU athletics?

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You and fatty should get on that asap.

 

[1H3@rtH0$]

Without men's b-ball gay-u would be nothing (along the lines of Rice, New Mexico, Houston, Tulsa, North Texas, UTEP, etc.). They fired the one football coach that has ever done anything significant with that program and that's why they'll end up being in something along the lines of the MVC, which would be hilarious because it's the MISSOURI Valley Conference. Go Gawks!

 

[BigTime]

Without men's b-ball gay-u would be nothing (along the lines of Rice, New Mexico, Houston, Tulsa, North Texas, UTEP, etc.). They fired the one football coach that has ever done anything significant with that program and that's why they'll end up being in something along the lines of the MVC, which would be hilarious because it's the MISSOURI Valley Conference. Go Gawks!

You are preaching to the choir.

It's funny, because KU fans actually think that they are an important program (a dominant athletic program even) in the Big 12. When in reality it's all about football. Football makes the big bucks for conferences. Football gets you TV deals and corporate conference sponsers. Football makes the world go round regarding college athletics.

I love college basketball, but it might be half of what football means to NCAA athletics in terms of prestige, money, and popularity. Thank goodness that we have one of the top pigskin programs of all time. It will serve us well in case the realignment actually happens.

I would laugh like crazy if Kansas got stuck in C-USA.

 

[playmakr]

You are preaching to the choir.

It's funny, because KU fans actually think that they are an important program (a dominant athletic program even) in the Big 12. When in reality it's all about football. Football makes the big bucks for conferences. Football gets you TV deals and corporate conference sponsers. Football makes the world go round regarding college athletics.

I love college basketball, but it might be half of what football means to NCAA athletics in terms of prestige, money, and popularity. Thank goodness that we have one of the top pigskin programs of all time. It will serve us well in case the realignment actually happens.

I would laugh like crazy if Kansas got stuck in C-USA.

Kansas is usually in the top 3 or 4 in the Big 12 in TV revenue. They have been right at 3 recently, but with Nebraska improving football they have slid past them slightly.

 

[Cheno]

Wow, all of a sudden this is turning into a football board. Go Football!!!!!

 

[BigTime]

Kansas is usually in the top 3 or 4 in the Big 12 in TV revenue. They have been right at 3 recently, but with Nebraska improving football they have slid past them slightly.

Case in point. They have had one of their best football runs in school history (including an orange bowl victory), and yet, they are 4th (could be 5th) in TV revenue in the Big 12 with a top 5 all time hoops program that has been dominant. Again, football rules the college athletic world.

If I were KU, I would hope to God that the Big East would take me in....

As for Tony Mitchell, I have seen him play three times and I think he is an absolute monster on the court. Hopefully, things work out for him. Arthur got away with it, so Mitchell has a chance.

 

[Sawyer]

For what it's worth, kansas does have 13 Missouri Valley Conference titles...

Regarding Mitchell, the most recent information I saw indicated that this story was either inaccurate or overblown (if not both).

 

[playmakr]

For what it's worth, kansas does have 13 Missouri Valley Conference titles...

Regarding Mitchell, the most recent information I saw indicated that this story was either inaccurate or overblown (if not both).

We only take a wait and see approach with Kansas players/recruits.

 

[Cheno]

This thread is AWESOME! Priceless.

For what it's worth I believe as well the Big 12 is a football conference. I don't see how many KU fans would disagree.
I'd hate to see the Big 12 (really the Big 8 teams) disband because of the history and tradition. To me that's worth something.
But if it does happen I'd love to see KU go to the Big East or ACC which are more basketball conferences. Plus KU football would fair better not having to go up against the likes of OU, Texas and Nebraska. Plus I think it would help KU basketball in that they'd have a lot more competition during the conference season. I've always felt that hurt KU a bit come March Madness. All that being said I'd still rather see the conference stay intact.

 

[Cheno]

The latest on Tony Mitchell. Now it's been discovered he had over 100 unexcused absences his senior year. A student may be declared truant at his high school after 3 in one month. He had 102 for the year.


http://www.wfaa.com/news/investigates/Pinkston-star-basketball-player--95826849.html

 

[Sawyer]

1. Which classes did he skip?

2. Are those classes required for graduation?

3. Are those classes required for NCAA eligibility?

Those details are all extremely important, yet the journalist doesn't feel it necessary to include them. I see two possibilities... either they don't have those answers, in which case the article is premature, or they do have those answers, but they make the sensational story less sensational. Either way, poor journalism by WFAA. It's not like they're breaking news on BP's response to the oil spill. This is a high school kid. If there are problems, they should be addressed, but they shouldn't drag his name through the mud throughout the investigative process. Get the facts - all of them - and report - without bias or editorial comments - what you find.

 

[Cheno]

1. Which classes did he skip?

2. Are those classes required for graduation?

3. Are those classes required for NCAA eligibility?

Those details are all extremely important, yet the journalist doesn't feel it necessary to include them. I see two possibilities... either they don't have those answers, in which case the article is premature, or they do have those answers, but they make the sensational story less sensational. Either way, poor journalism by WFAA. It's not like they're breaking news on BP's response to the oil spill. This is a high school kid. If there are problems, they should be addressed, but they shouldn't drag his name through the mud throughout the investigative process. Get the facts - all of them - and report - without bias or editorial comments - what you find.

LOL. But when the same station was doing this to Darrell Arthur you didn't have a problem with it. Now that's funny. He skipped 102 classes...how they going to list them all. Are they required for graduation? I'm guessing skipping 102 classes combined with the fact the school got him to pass all those exams in such a short time probably something is going on.
Are those classes required for graduation? Sure, passing enough classes to graduate from high school is required. Along with a minimum ACT score. Neither of which have been met have they?

 

[Sawyer]

LOL. But when the same station was doing this to Darrell Arthur you didn't have a problem with it.

How the hell do you know? Can you have a single conversation with a Mizzou fan without attributing every generalized hypothetical MU fan opinion to me? You make it impossible to have anything resembling a rational discussion. But of course, that's not your goal now, is it? Anything to divert attention from the fact that Lew Perkins just had to tell a federal grand jury that he'd be getting paid $4,000,000 plus free exercise equipment to guide kansas to a C-USA title in the near future...

He skipped 102 classes...how they going to list them all. Are they required for graduation? I'm guessing skipping 102 classes combined with the fact the school got him to pass all those exams in such a short time probably something is going on.

The school "got him" to pass all those exams? How about they gave him the tests and he passed (multiple times)? You don't know anything about those tests or how they were administered, or even what's standard for a school district to do in that situation.

Are those classes required for graduation? Sure, passing enough classes to graduate from high school is required. Along with a minimum ACT score. Neither of which have been met have they?

According to on the record sources, the only thing keeping Mitchell from graduating was falling a point short of passing a state required math exam, which has nothing to do with any of the credits he took during school and which he has multiple attempts left to pass.

 

[Cheno]

How the hell do you know? Can you have a single conversation with a Mizzou fan without attributing every generalized hypothetical MU fan opinion to me?

Because of comments like this in this thread alone. Nice try though.

A "Darrell Arthur type" "huge scandal"... but doubt you'd be willing to give back all those games he played in.
What I've read about the report - and we'll see very soon what is actually in it - it sounds more like it's an issue with his eligibility as a senior in Dallas. That doesn't necessarily impact his college eligibility.

I don't think the school that claims such recent academic stalwarts as Brandon Rush, Darrell Arthur should really be casting stones...

 

[campbest]

Still baffled that people have trouble graduating high school.