Traditional PF or 4 out 1 in

I prefer the pf formation. (1) rebounding advantage and (2)help under the basket if needed and (3) size available where needed.
 
Traditional PF, I think it makes for a stronger team and more variety on offense, especially if you can teach both the post and PF to be good passers off the high post or on the block. You have better spacing on the outside and I think play a better inside/out game from the free throw line to the baseline.
 
If you are married to a system, it can be difficult to recruit the right players for that system. If you want the true power forward who can rebound, crash the boards for putbacks, defend the opponent's biggest forward, and be one of two strong bodies under the basket, that may be difficult to recruit. You can get a lot who are acceptable, but few who excel.

But, you really have that with most positions. The pure post or point guard rarely exists. One of the things that fascinated me was that John Wooden didn't seem to care. He went from a guard-oriented offense for his first two national titles, having no starter over about 6-5, with Hazzard or Goodrich running the break to the pure post offense with Alcindor, Warren, Allen, Wilkes, etc., in which he had an NBA prospect traditional type at each position, and he just kept winning with a completely changed format. Alcindor left, and he just kept winning with a different type of team with a Patterson or Walton at center. Good coaches adjust.

Sherri's best team was 2002. They had different types of roles that they could assume due to their versatility.

I think this team has the potential to have different types on the same team. We may end up with an EJ or McKenna at the 4, with Maddie moving to the three, depending on the opposition. We do have some people with some versatility. I don't really care about the type of set. I just want to see the execution of any of them.
 
I think to be truly successful, you have to have the flexibility to do both. Like sybarite said, there are not very many true post players out there anymore. To be successful in a 4 out offense, you have to have a big guard or two that can defend in the post as long play on the perimeter.

This team has the big guard in Maddie, but she just isn't physical enough. She is much more of a finesse player. I am curious to see what McKenna looks like when she comes back. I have a feeling she could be a big boost to this team!
 
If you don't like the 4 out it must be pretty frustrating to be a Sooner fan, since that's been our staple ever since Sherri became coach. And she got that offense from UConn. Who plays the 4 at UConn?
 
35TangoTango said:
If you don't like the 4 out it must be pretty frustrating to be a Sooner fan, since that's been our staple ever since Sherri became coach. And she got that offense from UConn. Who plays the 4 at UConn?
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I don't think it matters what kind of offense UCONN runs. Their players are going to beat you and score in any offense they run. We can't do that.
 
Yeah, but UConn built that powerhouse running the 4 out. And Stewart is no more a typical of than Manning. And OU has gotten their coach in the Hall of Fame running the 4out.
 
35TangoTango said:
Yeah, but UConn built that powerhouse running the 4 out. And Stewart is no more a typical of than Manning. And OU has gotten their coach in the Hall of Fame running the 4out.
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But how long has it been since we won the Big 12 conference?
 
Well, at least Bradley was appreciative of having a Hall of Fame coach in Renaissance Coliseum.
 
So do you think we would have beaten Baylor more if we ran a different offense?
 
Oh, I think we can all agree on that, but you've wandered far from the subject. The 4 out offense has been pretty good to us over the years, and everybody might as well learn to like it, because we're unlikely to abandon it. I'm not at all sure that everyone's idea of the typical power forward is really all that prevalent any more. Manning doesn't fit that model, but neither does Brianna Stewart or Nina Davis.
 
Sherri never used Leah, Ashley, Carlee, Joanna, or Amanda the way Maddie is being used. Our rebounding is going to suffer against good teams.
 
SoonerNorm said:
Sherri never used Leah, Ashley, Carlee, Joanna, or Amanda the way Maddie is being used. Our rebounding is going to suffer against good teams.
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I disagree. She tailors the position to the player, but Leah, Carlee, Amanda, and Caton played very similarly. I know you you feel sensitive about criticism, but when you continuously tell us how a Hall of Fame coach is doing it wrong you leave yourself open to it.
 
35TangoTango said:
I disagree. She tailors the position to the player, but Leah, Carlee, Amanda, and Caton played very similarly. I know you you feel sensitive about criticism, but when you continuously tell us how a Hall of Fame coach is doing it wrong you leave yourself open to it.
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I'm not sensitive at all. Just because she's being inducted in the hall of fame does not mean everyone has to agree with everything she does. Did you read what rocjunkie said? Are you aware that he was a coach? You seem to always disagree with anyone who suggests anything different from the way Sherri does it. If we win the conference this year I will sincerely apologize.
 
A disagreement with a coach is one thing. When it becomes so consistent as to be a pattern, that's another. I doubt that anyone agrees with everything that Sherri does, and I think everyone would like the best players that we can get. But, at times, this becomes character assassination.

We constantly hear how Sherri has insulted recruits and doesn't stay in touch with them. An informed post that contradicted that directly, from the parent of a recruit, had an effect for about three posts before the same insults were once again leveled. I don't know how that nonsense got started. I get the feeling that the parent of a recruit tried to manipulate things, and he discovered that no honorable coach would put up with him. We've heard those charges ever since, mostly from rumors or people who "have inside information."
On the other hand, Sherri simply doesn't talk. Is she supposed to attack the rumors in public and call them liars? Is that really what it has come down to?

I found the remark that Geno made to be the one that we should be most proud of. He said that Sherri was what women's basketball should be about. Nothing could make me more proud.

Athletics has gotten out of control, and their "connection" to academics is challenging to comprehend. We see a lot that isn't in the best interest of anyone to act as a role model. I'm rather proud that the women's sports programs of OU tend to be role models.

When I see criticism of this, I wonder if that person is interested in OU as a model for the young people of the nation. Must we copy Kim or Calipari?
 
SoonerNorm said:
You seem to always disagree with anyone who suggests anything different from the way Sherri does it.
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Norm, you started a post on offenses. A number of people posted their thoughts, including me. There was no disagreement until you disagreed with my post. I think the pot is calling the kettle black.
 
35TangoTango said:
Norm, you started a post on offenses. A number of people posted their thoughts, including me. There was no disagreement until you disagreed with my post. I think the pot is calling the kettle black.
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I just pointed out it is not reasonable to compare us to UCONN.
 
35TangoTango said:
Yeah, but UConn built that powerhouse running the 4 out. And Stewart is no more a typical of than Manning. And OU has gotten their coach in the Hall of Fame running the 4out.
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Not saying what you said is not true, but that wasn't the team that won the championship in 2002. Swin Cash, Tamika Williams, Aisha Jones weren't guards...AND OU didn't play 4 out then. We had three interchangeable players...to a degree and then the post and power forward.
Well, that is the way I saw the game in San Antonio. Maybe I missed something. And 2014, I thought they had a traditional power forward...certainly, not a guard playing the 4. AM I just way off base?
 
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