Tramel Blog: "Capel's Comment Ironic in OU's turbulent season"

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i stopped reading b/c it is a stupid article. nothing about it is ironic. double standard? maybe. but you can't compare coaches contracts with players scholarships. stupid to do so.
 
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That sure sounds familiar. I wonder where I have heard that.
 
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SoonerBounce13 said:
i stopped reading b/c it is a stupid article. nothing about it is ironic. double standard? maybe. but you can't compare coaches contracts with players scholarships. stupid to do so.
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Agreed Trammell can stick it. I am supporting every decision Capel makes with this team. I want to win
 
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SoonerBounce13 said:
i stopped reading b/c it is a stupid article. nothing about it is ironic. double standard? maybe. but you can't compare coaches contracts with players scholarships. stupid to do so.
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Sounds like you don't like to read much of anything that goes against your line of thinking.

I'm sorry you don't agree, but most of the blame is Capel's for this season as Tramel said. Capel recruited the players, and now he's coaching them. It falls on him if he can't get them to do things the way he wants it done.

The kids he's recruited are just like my kids at home. They will get away with exactly what I as a parent will let them get away with. Coach Capel is the parent in this scenario to the kids on the team and he is letting them run the ship into the ground.
 
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Most of the article was spot on in my opinon....Aside from the salary/scholorship talk....If you have an academic scholorship and you are not producing good enough grades it gets pulled, it should be no different for athletes
 
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buttermaker1 said:
Agreed Trammell can stick it. I am supporting every decision Capel makes with this team. I want to win
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I like Trammel because he calls out that goon Traber on a regular basis, that said, I think I'll stick with Capel when it comes to how the program should be run.
 
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This is a lost Sooner season. Capel was a pretty good coach when he had Blake Griffin on his roster; the Sooners were 53-18 in Capel Years 2 and 3. But in years 1 and 4, when the Terminator wasn’t grabbing every rebound and clearing the lane for a dunk, OU is a combined 29-29.
Wow, I didnt know it was that bad without Griffin...so by the end of the season Capel is going to have a LOOSING record without blake...that is just crazy to think about
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why did you post that hack's column. He and Rohde are the biggest hacks around. They make the jerks at "Around the Horn" look like Oxford scholars. Fact is that even when coaches run players off, they often play a huge part in finding that player a school where he can play. Also, the fact is, Capel has been the best coach at player/coach management. He could have ran off Chris Walker, but he didn't. He honored Hardrick scholly. He kept Leary after it was apparent that he wasn't a starting PG. He held a scholarship for Clark until it was apparent that he wouldn't have a chance to qualify.

It's funny that Capel has gotten so much flack for this comment, when Calipari and Ford have treated kids like crap and haven't received any bad prss.
 
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Big Old Booger said:
Sounds like you don't like to read much of anything that goes against your line of thinking.

I'm sorry you don't agree, but most of the blame is Capel's for this season as Tramel said. Capel recruited the players, and now he's coaching them. It falls on him if he can't get them to do things the way he wants it done.

The kids he's recruited are just like my kids at home. They will get away with exactly what I as a parent will let them get away with. Coach Capel is the parent in this scenario to the kids on the team and he is letting them run the ship into the ground.
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thats not what I am disagreeing with. I'm disagreeing with the irony and trammel in general
 
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I think Tramel is blissfully ignorant of the fact that Cal ran Pilgrim off and that is the reason the NCAA allowed him to transfer without losing a season.
 
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DM said:
why did you post that hack's column. He and Rohde are the biggest hacks around. They make the jerks at "Around the Horn" look like Oxford scholars. Fact is that even when coaches run players off, they often play a huge part in finding that player a school where he can play. Also, the fact is, Capel has been the best coach at player/coach management. He could have ran off Chris Walker, but he didn't. He honored Hardrick scholly. He kept Leary after it was apparent that he wasn't a starting PG. He held a scholarship for Clark until it was apparent that he wouldn't have a chance to qualify.

It's funny that Capel has gotten so much flack for this comment, when Calipari and Ford have treated kids like crap and haven't received any bad prss.
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It's one thing to hold a scholarship for a kid who's bought in but isn't very good (Chris Walker, Omar Leary, etc.). It's another to hold a scholarship to a kid who is a malcontent.

My problem is why do we have so many who are either not very good (Leary, Willis, Hardrick, Allen, etc.) and/or malcontents (Tiny, TMG, WW, Cannon, Early, etc.)? Is Capel getting to know the kids whom he recruits? Or does he show up at one game and offer a scholarship and then never have much to do with the kid outside of a text message, email, or phone call?
 
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Big Old Booger said:
It's one thing to hold a scholarship for a kid who's bought in but isn't very good (Chris Walker, Omar Leary, etc.). It's another to hold a scholarship to a kid who is a malcontent.

My problem is why do we have so many who are either not very good (Leary, Willis, Hardrick, Allen, etc.) and/or malcontents (Tiny, TMG, WW, Cannon, Early, etc.)? Is Capel getting to know the kids whom he recruits? Or does he show up at one game and offer a scholarship and then never have much to do with the kid outside of a text message, email, or phone call?
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Yep, he attends one game, sizes them up, asks them if they like Jay-Z and if they say "yes", then he offers them a scholarship on the spot.
 
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152219 said:
Yep, he attends one game, sizes them up, asks them if they like Jay-Z and if they say "yes", then he offers them a scholarship on the spot.
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That's certainly the way it appears.

Think about this, his best recruit is by far Blake Griffin, who fell in his lap if you look at it honestly. Thankfully, the previous coach recruited and signed Taylor, and to Capel's credit he was able to pacify Taylor to stick around and then get Blake, but it helped (a lot) he was a local product.

After Griffin, who is his 2nd best recruit (and I'm not talking "potential") on the court?

Crocker -- He was Sampson's recruit
Cade Davis
Ryan Wright

These 3 level of players are not Big 12 championship level players. Especially when all 3 see significant playing time. 1 of them as a glue guy and the other to get some minutes off the bench would be about right. And, by saying this I take nothing away from Cade Davis, he's had an outstanding season but he's not starting Big 12 material, IMO.

Something is definitely wrong in the recruiting area.
 
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Big Old Booger said:
That's certainly the way it appears.

Think about this, his best recruit is by far Blake Griffin, who fell in his lap if you look at it honestly. Thankfully, the previous coach recruited and signed Taylor, and to Capel's credit he was able to pacify Taylor to stick around and then get Blake, but it helped (a lot) he was a local product.

After Griffin, who is his 2nd best recruit (and I'm not talking "potential") on the court?

Crocker -- He was Sampson's recruit
Cade Davis
Ryan Wright

These 3 level of players are not Big 12 championship level players. Especially when all 3 see significant playing time. 1 of them as a glue guy and the other to get some minutes off the bench would be about right. And, by saying this I take nothing away from Cade Davis, he's had an outstanding season but he's not starting Big 12 material, IMO.

Something is definitely wrong in the recruiting area.
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Well, he did have a guy who won Big 12 Freshman of the Year last year...although that guy didn't have the season we all thought he would it wasn't like he has been awful this year.

And there is a good chance he will have the Big 12 Freshman of the Year again this year.
 
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Agree with parts of Trammel's article, disagree with others.

He is vastly underestimating the influence coaches have in placing transfers at a new school which could get them more playing time...the coaching fraternity is a lot more tight knit than that. If Capel is telling Willis, Hardrick, etc. that they probably don't have a future getting PT at OU, he is most likely following up with phone calls to potential univesities which that player could perform well.

Capel's coaching job (X's and O's) is fine, he is just struggling with getting some of his recruits to develop and stay until they are upperclassmen. I still believe that if we had our freshmen playing behind some more seasoned players, none of these threads would be popping up. It's good to sprinkle in the right combination of McDAA's into your line-up, but you need the glue guys which fill the pieces of the puzzle...and those players usually don't become impact players until their junior year. Believe Capel was trying to provide an influx of talent into the OU program, without taking the necessary steps to ensure that talent would be compatible together.

The most important blurb is Capel's age....he just turned 35. This is where opinions vary, because I still give him so leeway to learn on the job. A lot of the fans, critics, etc. expect their coach to "know it all" after 7 years of coaching, but that just isn't correct. Whether you believe OU is forum to learn on the job or that it deserves a master of the craft is up for personal interpretation.

The bottom line is Capel CAN coach, and I don't see him leaving OU anytime soon.
 
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Big Old Booger said:
After Griffin, who is his 2nd best recruit (and I'm not talking "potential") on the court?

Crocker -- He was Sampson's recruit
Cade Davis
Ryan Wright
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really...thats all you got?
TMG
WW
Tiny
I consider Crocker a capel recruit.
 
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Big Old Booger said:
After Griffin, who is his 2nd best recruit (and I'm not talking "potential") on the court?

Crocker -- He was Sampson's recruit
Cade Davis
Ryan Wright
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Would put WW, Tiny and TMG as better players...they just haven't played well together (namely WW and TMG). As I said previously, Capel hasn't done a good job of recruiting compatible talent, but the talent is certainly there.
 
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Big Old Booger said:
It's one thing to hold a scholarship for a kid who's bought in but isn't very good (Chris Walker, Omar Leary, etc.). It's another to hold a scholarship to a kid who is a malcontent.

My problem is why do we have so many who are either not very good (Leary, Willis, Hardrick, Allen, etc.) and/or malcontents (Tiny, TMG, WW, Cannon, Early, etc.)? Is Capel getting to know the kids whom he recruits? Or does he show up at one game and offer a scholarship and then never have much to do with the kid outside of a text message, email, or phone call?
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When you win, holding on to someone who isn't very good is a little bit easier, when you lose, Malcontents are much more obvious.
 
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