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[pncparn]

Defensive efficiency is another part of the equation here. Without looking at the numbers, I'll bet Houston has the advantage in that category.

And we have the advantage on the offensive end. By a long shot.
I’ll take us over Houston next year. Almost beat them 2 years ago with a team that didn’t make the tournament

 

[WichitaSooner]

And we have the advantage on the offensive end. By a long shot.
I’ll take us over Houston next year. Almost beat them 2 years ago with a team that didn’t make the tournament

Houston was a top 5 or 10 offensive team this season. We were not.

But if you’re this convicted, let’s wager on it. Whichever team ends the regular season rated higher in NET and KenPom wins the bet. How much you want to put on it?

 

[cmdsooner]

As things currently sit (assuming Brown is coming), here’s a rough minute breakdown for what we might see as we get to conference play:

5 - Wague 20, Rogers 15, Davis 5

4 - Davis 25, Nwankwo 10, Atak 5

3 - Nwankwo 15, Jones 25

2 - Pack 20, Forsythe 20

1 - Brown 30, Pack 10

Totals

Brown - 30
Pack - 30
Davis - 30
Nwankwo - 25
Jones - 25
Wague - 20
Forsythe - 20
Rogers - 15
Atak - 5
Holst - depth
Blair - depth

My hope would be that we get one more that can play both 4 & 5 (maybe a 15-20 min total guy), and one more that can play both 2 & 3 (don’t love the current depth in the event of an injury).

Update:

5 - Wague 20, Rogers 15, Davis 5

4 - Davis 20, Reid 15, Nwankwo 5

3 - Reid 10, Nwankwo 15, Jones 15

2 - Pack 20, Forsythe 15, Jones 5

1 - Brown 30, Pack 10

Totals

Brown - 30
Pack - 30
Davis - 25
Reid - 25
Nwankwo - 20
Jones - 20
Wague - 20
Forsythe - 15
Rogers - 15
Atak - depth
Holst - depth
Blair - depth
Hansen - depth

With everyone healthy minutes will be tight for some of these guys. Reid, Nwankwo, Jones, Forsythe could all go up or down 5 minutes. Davis played 30 a game last year too so maybe he’d eat into someone else’s as well.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Update:

5 - Wague 20, Rogers 15, Davis 5

4 - Davis 20, Reid 15, Nwankwo 5

3 - Reid 10, Nwankwo 15, Jones 15

2 - Pack 20, Forsythe 15, Jones 5

1 - Brown 30, Pack 10

Totals

Brown - 30
Pack - 30
Davis - 25
Reid - 25
Nwankwo - 20
Jones - 20
Wague - 20
Forsythe - 15
Rogers - 15
Atak - depth
Holst - depth
Blair - depth
Hansen - depth

With everyone healthy minutes will be tight for some of these guys. Reid, Nwankwo, Jones, Forsythe could all go up or down 5 minutes. Davis played 30 a game last year too so maybe he’d eat into someone else’s as well.

Reid less min.

Dayton and jones both a lot more.

 

[cmdsooner]

Reid less min.

Dayton and jones both a lot more.

Gotta take away somewhere if you’re giving somewhere. I don’t see “a lot more” available for either guy unless someone is hurt.

 

[daqman]

Reid less min.

Dayton and jones both a lot more.

so u must not have much confidence in reid.
top 20 high school recruit? likely one of the highest paid on the roster...
if you're right.....we likely highly overpaid.
i'll go with more reid and less forsythe/jones

 

[CoachTalk]

so u must not have much confidence in reid.
top 20 high school recruit? likely one of the highest paid on the roster...
if you're right.....we likely highly overpaid.
i'll go with more reid and less forsythe/jones

Didn’t. He took less money to come to Oklahoma.

Reid is for sure behind pak, brown, and Davis.

 

[CoachTalk]

Update:

5 - Wague 20, Rogers 15, Davis 5

4 - Davis 20, Reid 15, Nwankwo 5

3 - Reid 10, Nwankwo 15, Jones 15

2 - Pack 20, Forsythe 15, Jones 5

1 - Brown 30, Pack 10

Totals

Brown - 30
Pack - 30
Davis - 25
Reid - 25
Nwankwo - 20
Jones - 20
Wague - 20
Forsythe - 15
Rogers - 15
Atak - depth
Holst - depth
Blair - depth
Hansen - depth

With everyone healthy minutes will be tight for some of these guys. Reid, Nwankwo, Jones, Forsythe could all go up or down 5 minutes. Davis played 30 a game last year too so maybe he’d eat into someone else’s as well.

Dayton will run the pg spot more than the 2. I hope pak isn’t running it. He’s so much better off ball.

 

[daqman]

Didn’t. He took less money to come to Oklahoma.

Reid is for sure behind pak, brown, and Davis.

maybe u could post the amounts for those 4
just because he took less to come to ou....doesn't mean he took less than davis/pack/brown
and he damn sure got a whole lot more than forsythe and jones

 

[skyvue]

You conveniently did not respond to my last message about their stats, but breaking things down to a simplified per-minute production fails to look at a lot of things. The overwhelming majority of the advanced stats favor Wague for the entirety of the season with an on/off net rating differential of +11.9 (highest on the team) against an on/off net rating differential of -4.6 for Godwin (tied for second lowest). Wague affected the game much more positively for OU this past season. He was a more efficient scorer, a better free throw shooter, a better passer, and a better rebounder. The numbers posted earlier show this. I'm not really sure what the argument you're trying to make is here. It was clear to anyone watching that the team played better with Wague on the floor and the numbers back that up.

Because I think =/- is one of the silliest stats in sports. I've stated that opinion before--more than once--and though it may not seem like it, I do try not to repeat myself in these discussions. I avoid the thread devoted to that stat altogether.

It's funny how points, rebounds, steals, blocks, assists have served us well for decades--and they're often cited still--but when they don't support the poster's point, they're tossed aside and out come the computerized analytics.

My point is not a complicated one. It's quite simply this: Wague excelled in four games--five if you want to count the game in which Godwin got hurt (they each scored 12 points in that game). Not 10 games. Certainly not half a season, as one poster said up there. Five games. As I've said, back-ups are often at their best when they are called upon because a starter goes down. It's not a rare occurrence. But there is typically a reason they were a backup until the injury occurred.

The "PM was obsessed with Sam" stuff is revisionist history. I very much hope the Wague we saw down the stretch is the who we see next season. No one will be happier than me if that happens. But he fouled at a rate that was 42% higher than Sam last season and if he continues doing that (a tendency he's exhibited his entire career), we'll be in trouble in the paint.

 

[cmdsooner]

Dayton will run the pg spot more than the 2. I hope pak isn’t running it. He’s so much better off ball.

It’s interchangeable anyway, doesn’t really matter. But I’d imagine they both get the ball some.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Basically, his argument is that the head coach is always right when it comes to playing time decisions because “if so and so showed that he was the better option in practice, the coach would play him more because the coach is fighting for his job.”

The most qualified person to decide who is playing and how much they play is 100% the head coach and his staff. As fans we think we know better because of snippets we see on game days.

This board isn't the only fan board that b#tches about decisions the coach makes...there are a lot of guys that think they know better because they think player x passes the eye test and should get more minutes, etc. It happens at every single level too.

These boards just give those guys a platform to try to tell everyone why a coach's decisions are horrible. It's the nature of things everywhere and in every sport.

 

[TINY]

Didn’t. He took less money to come to Oklahoma.

Reid is for sure behind pak, brown, and Davis.

I think Reid’s defense is going to get him in the starting lineup. Nwankwo I think would be better off the bench.

 

[CoachTalk]

I think Reid’s defense is going to get him in the starting lineup. Nwankwo I think would be better off the bench.

I was talking about NIL $.

Agee. I think Reid starts.

 

[BossFan64]

I was talking about NIL $.

Agee. I think Reid starts.

I’m happy that we appear to have more depth as well as more options how we play.

 

[WichitaSooner]

The most qualified person to decide who is playing and how much they play is 100% the head coach and his staff. As fans we think we know better because of snippets we see on game days.

This board isn't the only fan board that b#tches about decisions the coach makes...there are a lot of guys that think they know better because they think player x passes the eye test and should get more minutes, etc. It happens at every single level too.

These boards just give those guys a platform to try to tell everyone why a coach's decisions are horrible. It's the nature of things everywhere and in every sport.

But for the love of God how difficult is it to understand a very basic concept: coaches are not infallible. They are people. They make mistakes. They have blind spots. How many times do you see a professional coach get fired in season, and the new guy comes in and makes a lineup change or two? Reasonable minds can differ on the best lineup and coaches don’t always get it right. As for this particular debate, we had a large sample size to see Sam and he was a really bad player for the vast majority of the season. Wague played almost as many impressive games in the final two weeks as Sam did in nearly the entire season. How anyone can not at least entertain the possibility that we would have been a better team had he been playing more all season is beyond me. It’s not like Mo was an 18-year-old freshman who suddenly “got it” in early March. He has been in college for four years.

Would I be able to coach the team better than Moser? Of course not. Does that mean he never screws something up? This is one theme I see from you and Coach — always automatically defaulting to defending playing time decisions no matter what the evidence shows. I’ve also coached sports and feel like I know a hell of a lot about the sport I coach, but I’m not arrogant enough to think that I never made bad lineup decisions or put guys at the wrong positions.

 

[Skeeter1]

Houston was a top 5 or 10 offensive team this season. We were not.

But if you’re this convicted, let’s wager on it. Whichever team ends the regular season rated higher in NET and KenPom wins the bet. How much you want to put on it?

Go away. Boomer

 

[snydrosooner]

But for the love of God how difficult is it to understand a very basic concept: coaches are not infallible. They are people. They make mistakes. They have blind spots. How many times do you see a professional coach get fired in season, and the new guy comes in and makes a lineup change or two? Reasonable minds can differ on the best lineup and coaches don’t always get it right. As for this particular debate, we had a large sample size to see Sam and he was a really bad player for the vast majority of the season. Wague played almost as many impressive games in the final two weeks as Sam did in nearly the entire season. How anyone can not at least entertain the possibility that we would have been a better team had he been playing more all season is beyond me. It’s not like Mo was an 18-year-old freshman who suddenly “got it” in early March. He has been in college for four years.

Would I be able to coach the team better than Moser? Of course not. Does that mean he never screws something up? This is one theme I see from you and Coach — always automatically defaulting to defending playing time decisions no matter what the evidence shows. I’ve also coached sports and feel like I know a hell of a lot about the sport I coach, but I’m not arrogant enough to think that I never made bad lineup decisions or put guys at the wrong positions.

watching live at Loyd Nobel, the 2 players that seemed lost early in the season on defense was fears and Wague. They both seemed to leave there guy to help and not fully commit, or were rotating late when switches happened. This caused bad blockouts and some of Wague fouls. As season rolled on, they both seemed to relax more. Never perfect, but seemed react more in the flow of team defense.

I think that caused Wague his early time. Maybe pressing too hard. I do believe he is better skilled than Sam.

It can be hard for coaches at any level to start adjusting the playing time towards end of the year, even when it’s obvious they should.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

But for the love of God how difficult is it to understand a very basic concept: coaches are not infallible. They are people. They make mistakes. They have blind spots. How many times do you see a professional coach get fired in season, and the new guy comes in and makes a lineup change or two? Reasonable minds can differ on the best lineup and coaches don’t always get it right. As for this particular debate, we had a large sample size to see Sam and he was a really bad player for the vast majority of the season. Wague played almost as many impressive games in the final two weeks as Sam did in nearly the entire season. How anyone can not at least entertain the possibility that we would have been a better team had he been playing more all season is beyond me. It’s not like Mo was an 18-year-old freshman who suddenly “got it” in early March. He has been in college for four years.

Would I be able to coach the team better than Moser? Of course not. Does that mean he never screws something up? This is one theme I see from you and Coach — always automatically defaulting to defending playing time decisions no matter what the evidence shows. I’ve also coached sports and feel like I know a hell of a lot about the sport I coach, but I’m not arrogant enough to think that I never made bad lineup decisions or put guys at the wrong positions.

I never said coaches don't make mistakes. Noone is perfect. Lord knows, as a person AND a coach, I've made more than my fair share. I just have issues with guys coming on a public forum and stating their opinion as fact and talking about a coach being stupid for not playing player X, Y or Z because they were "obviously" better when we have no idea the reason one guy was starting over the other, etc. It could be a plethora of reasons that we, as outsiders, never even know about.

Sometimes it could be as simple as a coach feeling like two players are close but one plays better than the other when he comes off the bench.

Just my opinion. That and 50 cents will get you a piece of gum.

 

[WTSooner]

I don't like giving Reid the starting job.

Personally, I'd rather he play a lot, maybe even close out games, but come off the bench and be the leader for the 2nd unit.

A lot of mouths to feed if you start him with Brown, Pack, and Davis.

I'd like to see a healthy Jones win that job. Let Reid and Nwankwo work off the bench. Those 7 are your best players. Dayton and Rodgers play as needed.