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I don't like giving Reid the starting job.

Personally, I'd rather he play a lot, maybe even close out games, but come off the bench and be the leader for the 2nd unit.

A lot of mouths to feed if you start him with Brown, Pack, and Davis.

I'd like to see a healthy Davis win that job. Let Reid and Nwankwo work off the bench. Those 7 are your best players. Dayton and Rodgers play as needed.
Jones gonna play a bunch as well.

I prefer whoever earns it. Davis or Reid.

Reid is likely the most talented and highest upside of anyone on the team.

Can we get it out of him where bama couldn’t. (Multi reasons)
 
I try not to worry too much about starting lineups this early for a couple reasons. One, injuries can happen and resolve those questions for you. And two, if we actually do have more than five guys good enough to be starting quality players in the SEC, that would be a welcome change. Last year, we had Kobe and then Goodine starting. That was a weak spot all year, and Miles is also someone who would have ideally been a second unit guy. And we started a five who was below replacement level value, to borrow a baseball phrase.

If we are healthy and if everyone lives up to their potential, this is where coaching comes into play. Brown and Pack seem obvious starters. At the three and four, figure out guys strengths and weaknesses, figure out which guys work best together, figure out a way to always keep a balance of offense and defense on the floor. We had too many times this year where you’d look at the five guys on the court and wonder who the heck was going to score (when Fears was on the bench or in his midseason slump). NBA coaches are much better about rotations. Porter still has a tendency to seemingly experiment with random combinations that make no sense. That stuff needs to be ironed out in November and December.

I’ve seen lots of Twitter announcements this week about noncon games that various teams are playing. Believe I saw that Texas is playing Duke on a neutral floor. Props to them. And Arizona is putting together another unreal slate. Meanwhile, I can’t help but think Moser is making daily calls to all the teams ranked 300 and below in the early rankings. Boy would I love to be wrong about this for once.
 
I don't like giving Reid the starting job.

Personally, I'd rather he play a lot, maybe even close out games, but come off the bench and be the leader for the 2nd unit.

A lot of mouths to feed if you start him with Brown, Pack, and Davis.

I'd like to see a healthy Davis win that job. Let Reid and Nwankwo work off the bench. Those 7 are your best players. Dayton and Rodgers play as needed.

How do you know those are our 7 best players in May?

Rodgers may surprise you.

Not saying those WON'T be our best 7....but stating it as fact now is iffy at best
 
I try not to worry too much about starting lineups this early for a couple reasons. One, injuries can happen and resolve those questions for you. And two, if we actually do have more than five guys good enough to be starting quality players in the SEC, that would be a welcome change. Last year, we had Kobe and then Goodine starting. That was a weak spot all year, and Miles is also someone who would have ideally been a second unit guy. And we started a five who was below replacement level value, to borrow a baseball phrase.

If we are healthy and if everyone lives up to their potential, this is where coaching comes into play. Brown and Pack seem obvious starters. At the three and four, figure out guys strengths and weaknesses, figure out which guys work best together, figure out a way to always keep a balance of offense and defense on the floor. We had too many times this year where you’d look at the five guys on the court and wonder who the heck was going to score (when Fears was on the bench or in his midseason slump). NBA coaches are much better about rotations. Porter still has a tendency to seemingly experiment with random combinations that make no sense. That stuff needs to be ironed out in November and December.

I’ve seen lots of Twitter announcements this week about noncon games that various teams are playing. Believe I saw that Texas is playing Duke on a neutral floor. Props to them. And Arizona is putting together another unreal slate. Meanwhile, I can’t help but think Moser is making daily calls to all the teams ranked 300 and below in the early rankings. Boy would I love to be wrong about this for once.

I tinker with lineups early in the year too. I want to see which guys can handle bigger roles and which ones can't. See which groups seem to work best together. Sometimes it takes a little longer than others.

On the flip side I'm not getting millions to figure mine out. Lol
 
Because I think =/- is one of the silliest stats in sports. I've stated that opinion before--more than once--and though it may not seem like it, I do try not to repeat myself in these discussions. I avoid the thread devoted to that stat altogether.

It's funny how points, rebounds, steals, blocks, assists have served us well for decades--and they're often cited still--but when they don't support the poster's point, they're tossed aside and out come the computerized analytics.

My point is not a complicated one. It's quite simply this: Wague excelled in four games--five if you want to count the game in which Godwin got hurt (they each scored 12 points in that game). Not 10 games. Certainly not half a season, as one poster said up there. Five games. As I've said, back-ups are often at their best when they are called upon because a starter goes down. It's not a rare occurrence. But there is typically a reason they were a backup until the injury occurred.

The "PM was obsessed with Sam" stuff is revisionist history. I very much hope the Wague we saw down the stretch is the who we see next season. No one will be happier than me if that happens. But he fouled at a rate that was 42% higher than Sam last season and if he continues doing that (a tendency he's exhibited his entire career), we'll be in trouble in the paint.
It seems like you don’t believe in advanced analytics in sports, which is fine. But allow me to explain why the stat I shared is more valuable (and different) than just a pure plus/minus statistic. Plus/minus is just the cumulative that the team does while the player is on the floor. So if the team gives up 30 and scores 35 when the player is on the court, the player is plus 5. Simple enough. If a player happens to be on the floor when someone else gets hot, it can make them look better than they were in that game. I understand why such a stat isn’t considered valuable to many. It’s also not really an advanced analytic. The net rating is basically just a plus/minus normalized over 100 possessions. Again, I can understand why people don’t love the stat.

However, the difference comes from the on/off nature of the stat. If a player’s plus minus in a game is -2 but the team loses by 20, the player’s on/off plus/minus is actually +18. Meaning the team was much better with him on the court than off even though they got crushed. This doesn’t always translate well when comparing players on different teams, but when you compare players on the same team (especially at the same position) it can tell quite a bit.

And on/off net rating is just one of the statistics that was referenced in my prior post. Wague was so much more efficient as a scorer that he could produce the same amount of per minute points on less shots, which means there were more shots to go around to his teammates while he was on the floor (and thus the team was better). He was in the 96th percentile in steal % which means he forced a ton of turnovers. And while we all know his fouling was an issue, you’d think it would hurt the team’s performance while he was on the floor since they’d likely give up a disproportionately higher number of free throws with him in but the numbers don’t reflect that. He was also a much better passer and offensive rebounder than Godwin even though Godwin was known as an offensive rebounder.

It is not revisionist history to say people were calling for us to try others out at the 5 all season. I very vividly remember reading posts of yours throughout the whole season turning your nose up about people complaining about Godwins minutes. It was evident from early on that Godwin was not going to cut it and we never even really tried anything else until we had to (when he got hurt) and all of a sudden Wague emerges as a credible player. That’s just a coincidence? And the numbers I’ve presented in this thread are full season numbers so they also include the noncon when Wague was not getting consistent minutes and people were still unsure about him.
 
How do you know those are our 7 best players in May?

Rodgers may surprise you.

Not saying those WON'T be our best 7....but stating it as fact now is iffy at best
It’s pretty factual.

People always over-predict the impact that non-elite true freshmen will have. And the guys I’m comparing them too? All 3rd and 4th year players I believe. Experience matters.
 
so u must not have much confidence in reid.
top 20 high school recruit? likely one of the highest paid on the roster...
if you're right.....we likely highly overpaid.
i'll go with more reid and less forsythe/jones
doubt he starts ... and OU needs shooting on the court ..

and I am not convinced he will play ANY min on the WING
 
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