The defense was forbiden from asking, prosecution were the only ones who could open that door. They aren't foolish enough to go down that road.
Travis Ford testifies at his players' rape trial
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The defense was forbiden from asking, prosecution were the only ones who could open that door. They aren't foolish enough to go down that road.
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Why do you say that? You know he is innocent?
So the defense was forbidden to ask their own witness who testified that Williams had proved he was innocent to him from asking how he proved that innocence? If it was the lie detector tests you ask the question and at least let the witness "ring the bell." Even if the defense was instructed not to ask about the lie detectors they could ask a question that would solicit the response from a witness without having to bring it up themselves. That's partly why I think there's more to the proof statement, that and the fact the Ford went on record in a court of law with that particular statement.
3 of 5 counts not that it matters. On one hand Ford had to rely on information provided to him by a bunch of guys who were drunk at a party. On the other hand EVERYTHING that happens to a program under a HC is the responsibility of that HC.
A jury saw enough evidence to convict. I would assume they saw a lot more evidence than Ford did. I suppose Williams will have awhile to think about what the word "no" means.
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I think he handled it more or less correctly. Williams pled Not Guilty. I think it would be hard to justify the decision to kick him off if he had turned out to be acquitted. I actually think that the hypothetical fallout would be worse than what might come from this. Lose/lose situation for the most part.
I agree absolutely a lose/lose situation for Ford. That why it surprised me that he testified in this matter. Had he not got on the stand he could very easily of issued a statement about letting due process taking it's course... As it is now every coach in America is going to remind parents about his do/say anything to win even if it is protecting a rapist.
To me now the next real question is who aided in this crime and will they be brought to justice or is Darrell Williams going to fall on the sword for them?
To me now the next real question is who aided in this crime and will they be brought to justice or is Darrell Williams going to fall on the sword for them?
It's a sad deal for all involved.
I wish there were flies on the wall that could really tell what happened, and then punish all the people involved.
I haven't followed the case all that closely but it sure seems that others are guilty as well.
I wish there were flies on the wall that could really tell what happened, and then punish all the people involved.
I haven't followed the case all that closely but it sure seems that others are guilty as well.
Not surprising! The WORLD is against Stoolwater State, always has and always will be (actually surprised they haven't blamed OU yet!)! Reminds me of the PSU fans that are continuing to support JoePa!
Pilgrim was not there and was never convicted of anything. Charges against him were dropped. Shaw was at the party and there are people who think that he was involved.
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This entire thing is terrible.
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much more terrible for the victims than for osu
There is hardly any remorse being show towards the victims over at OP. I can only imagine what it would be like over there had this been Andrew Fitzgerald instead of Darrell Williams. I'm guessing he and Pledger will still have to endure taunts about Dillards when this team goes to Stillwater this year.
One poster vehemently defends Williams and his innocence all while describing a sexual assault/battery as all he did. Hell give him the key to the city, he only assaulted her.
I firmly believe Williams, Ford, and other members of the team knew what went on that night and that's part of the reason they felt so confident Williams was innocent, the trick is they protected someone else and allowed Williams to take the heat for it thinking there was no way he'd ever get convicted. Well guess what Darrell Williams none of those other guys are going to jail and some of them are probably still getting to play basketball, although depending on the penal institution so will you and you may even get to wear the same shade of orange the others do on game day.
One poster vehemently defends Williams and his innocence all while describing a sexual assault/battery as all he did. Hell give him the key to the city, he only assaulted her.
I firmly believe Williams, Ford, and other members of the team knew what went on that night and that's part of the reason they felt so confident Williams was innocent, the trick is they protected someone else and allowed Williams to take the heat for it thinking there was no way he'd ever get convicted. Well guess what Darrell Williams none of those other guys are going to jail and some of them are probably still getting to play basketball, although depending on the penal institution so will you and you may even get to wear the same shade of orange the others do on game day.
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It's not that the defense was forbidden to ask. As I said in an earlier post, the lie detector test was inadmissible. That means that Ford couldn't volunteer it on his own. Lie detector test are generally inadmissible in court, because they are notoriously unreliable. If, however, the party that had objected to its admissibility, in this case the prosecution, had referenced it in any way, then, and only then, could the defense or Ford have referenced it.
Help me out with something here. Why couldn't Ford volunteer it on his own? If he was asked in follow up to his statement that Darrell Williams had proved his innocence to him "What did Darrell Williams do to prove his innocence to you?" why couldn't he reply about the lie detectors? I know the prosecution would have immediately objected as soon as the words came out of Ford's mouth and the jury would have been instructed to disregard the comment but it at least would have been out there.
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I wasn't in court, so I do not know. The only real consequence is that the judge could have held him in contempt and then instructed the jury to disregard. Afterwards, the prosecution would have brought in an expert witness that would discredit the whole idea of lie detector tests. It may have made a slight difference, but I doubt that Ford wanted to anger a sitting judge, as well as the prosecutor's office. You never know when you might need their help in the future.
