UCLA Coach Howland fired?

[bgrch1350]

This is the first really prime job to open up since the rise of Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens. If UCLA goes hard after either one of them, I would think they would have to consider it.

They need to go after someone like Billy Donovan, Rick Pitino, Mark Few, Jamie Dixon. UCLA is a school that can steal away these coaches.

 

[DenverSooner]

$2 million in LA ain't what it used to be with California's and the Feds new tax rates.

No matter how much taxes are $2,000,000 is still a lot of money. I don't think anyone would turn down the job based on California's high income taxes. Federal taxes are the same everywhere.

I think their biggest problem is you have to ask if the University can ever be satisfied with the results. Howalnd went to three final fours. He won 25 games this season and got fired. He did have a couple of bad years but this really wasn't one of them.

 

[MI Sooner]

I heard Enfield was very interested in OU job two years ago.

Any links/sources? Did OU have any discussions with him?

 

[seniorsooner]

I hear Jim Harrick's available.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Any links/sources? Did OU have any discussions with him?

Someone revived an old post on SoonerFans.com:

Quote Originally Posted by LiveLaughLove View Post
I posted before and will again, this guy would do awesome here and wants the job badly. Andy Enfield.

http://www.seminoles.com/sports/m-ba...ld_andy00.html

NBA ties, lots of 'em in fact. His wife was a Maxim model from Mustang. They would love living here.

He's already pretty rich, so money isn;t the biggest factor for him. He is a very very intelligent fundamentals, and x's and o's guy (something thats been missing for 5 years now).

Our free throw precentages alone would keep us in most games, since he is a free throw shooting coach for NBA players, and is a freak about it. See FSUs precentages before Andy and after.

I know he probably wont even get a smell, but if someone on here knows Joe, do us a favor and have him at least interview Andy.

After the Capel fiasco, I don't think there was any way we went with anyone but an established coach.

 

[MercedeSooner]

I hear Jim Harrick's available.

So is Bruce Pearl - show cause and all.

 

[bocabull]

$2 million in LA ain't what it used to be with California's and the Feds new tax rates.

The Feds tax rates are not "new". We simply reverted back to the successful tax rates on adjusted gross income over $400k which contributed to budget surpluses of the late 90's early 00's and canned the experimental, temporary tax rates that contributed to deficits the moment they went into effect. They never worked and never would have.

As for California's 3% bump in state incomes taxes, they are deductible as itemized deductions for federal income taxes, and only applicable to income over $1 million per year. So the true impact is 60% of 3% or a 1.8% tax bump. On a $2 million adjusted gross income your talking an extra $18,000 per year.

Big whoop.

 

[seniorsooner]

The Feds tax rates are not "new". We simply reverted back to the successful tax rates on adjusted gross income over $400k which contributed to budget surpluses of the late 90's early 00's and canned the experimental, temporary tax rates that contributed to deficits the moment they went into effect. They never worked and never would have.

As for California's 3% bump in state incomes taxes, they are deductible as itemized deductions for federal income taxes, and only applicable to income over $1 million per year. So the true impact is 60% of 3% or a 1.8% tax bump. On a $2 million adjusted gross income your talking an extra $18,000 per year.

Big whoop.

The issue isn't taxes, it's the astronomical cost of living in that area.

 

[sperry]

They need to go after someone like Billy Donovan, Rick Pitino, Mark Few, Jamie Dixon. UCLA is a school that can still away these coaches.

I don't think they can get Pitino or Donovan, and Few and Dixon aren't on the level of Stevens certainly, and maybe not even Smart. Smart would certainly be able to recruit better.

 

[DenverSooner]

The Feds tax rates are not "new". We simply reverted back to the successful tax rates on adjusted gross income over $400k which contributed to budget surpluses of the late 90's early 00's and canned the experimental, temporary tax rates that contributed to deficits the moment they went into effect. They never worked and never would have.

As for California's 3% bump in state incomes taxes, they are deductible as itemized deductions for federal income taxes, and only applicable to income over $1 million per year. So the true impact is 60% of 3% or a 1.8% tax bump. On a $2 million adjusted gross income your talking an extra $18,000 per year.

Big whoop.

We are not going back to the rates that were in place during the Clinton Administration. There was no bracket at this level of income during the Clinton Administration. This is a new tax regardless of how people want to spin it. A new bracket has been created. Personally, I am fine with a new bracket but some would argue it is a bad idea.


Furthermore, tax rates are not successful or unsuccessful and have little to do with the total revenue collected. In fact, as odd as it would seem, President Kennedy, President Reagan and President Bush II all proved that revenue increases with tax cuts. It is very counter intuitive but it worked for all three of them.

 

[bgrch1350]

I don't think they can get Pitino or Donovan, and Few and Dixon aren't on the level of Stevens certainly, and maybe not even Smart. Smart would certainly be able to recruit better.

recruiting hasn't been an issue at UCLA. They want championships!

 

[Smash Williams]

It sounds like Howland burned some bridges and lost his identity.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/ucla-ben-howland/

I also read elsewhere that some of Howland's former UCLA players were telling kids not to play for him.

 

[bocabull]

We are not going back to the rates that were in place during the Clinton Administration. There was no bracket at this level of income during the Clinton Administration. This is a new tax regardless of how people want to spin it. A new bracket has been created. Personally, I am fine with a new bracket but some would argue it is a bad idea.


Furthermore, tax rates are not successful or unsuccessful and have little to do with the total revenue collected. In fact, as odd as it would seem, President Kennedy, President Reagan and President Bush II all proved that revenue increases with tax cuts. It is very counter intuitive but it worked for all three of them.

The 39.6 tax bracket was applied to income above $250k and has been indexed each year to increase with inflation whichs now puts it at $400k.

You are confusing total tax revenues with income tax revenues. Reagan decreased income tax rates while increasing payroll tax rates. Eventually collecting more gross revenues had nothing to do lowering income rates. It had to do with increased payroll tax revenues and higher gdp. Unfortunately under both Reagan & W tax receipts as a % of GDP never recovered from the initial drop of their income tax rate cuts.

Hopefully we have the correct formula now. The Clinton rates were a tad high, W's rates were too low. Hopefully the going back to the Clinton rates for ordinary income above $400k & capital gains over $200k and leaving Ws rates for income below those thresholds puts us right in the sweet spot and we can stop going back & forth.

 

[Big Old Booger]

It sounds like Howland burned some bridges and lost his identity.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/ucla-ben-howland/

I also read elsewhere that some of Howland's former UCLA players were telling kids not to play for him.

This just shows that AAU is dirty. I don't agree with how Howland handled the Williams kid, but once he PO'd one AAU coach, they were all mad at him. That's a problem. Maybe it's time for AAU to go bye-bye?

 

[bocabull]

It sounds like Howland burned some bridges and lost his identity.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-college-basketball-mens-tournament/news/20130325/ucla-ben-howland/

I also read elsewhere that some of Howland's former UCLA players were telling kids not to play for him.

Interesting stuff. What stands out to me was "his system didn't appeal to fans & recruits" and "AAU coaches already disliked the conservative offensive system that Howland ran, feeling it didn’t showcase their players’ talents to NBA scouts."

The exact opposite would be said about Andy Enfield!!

 

[sperry]

Interesting stuff. What stands out to me was "his system didn't appeal to fans & recruits" and "AAU coaches already disliked the conservative offensive system that Howland ran, feeling it didn’t showcase their players’ talents to NBA scouts."

The exact opposite would be said about Andy Enfield!!

It's also a sad state of affairs when the people "coaching" these kids are too stupid to realize that NBA scouts can evaluate a kid's talents regardless of the system he is in. AAU needs to go, it's a cesspool of petty criminals and thugs hanging on to high school kids so they can leech them for everything they're worth if they ever make it big.

 

[Tundrasooner]

I despise AAU.

 

[badger]

I remember back when coaches were fired for NOT making the ncaa tourney