ViVi vs Kaylon

[Oliver Hardy]

Sweet,

Kay-Kay is one of our best players. But when it's time to say enough, it's time.

Nearly all of her fouls were stupid, senseless and ticky-tack because she doesn't have the ability to control herself. 3 in the game before last and 2 or 3 last night.

Her inability to overcome this AFTER THREE SEASONS deserves to be discussed, pointed out and criticized.

It make her an incomplete player.

Carter has the same problem.

Little, on the other hand, has a completely different problem and I'm not sure how to describe it. She's a terrific player, but there was a reason she was on the bench most of the time for Blair and we've seen why going down the stretch and in the first part of the season. She disappears.

I think everyone loves all three of them. We all hope they will become more complete players. I'm sure they want they want the same thing as players and I'm just as sure the coaches are on them much more severely than any of us ever will be.

 

[sybarite]

Sweetest,

No.

Last night, forget the final totals. When the game was on the line, Kay Kay was missing everything she threw at the basket. Every "layup" was too hard off the glass, and it was thrown at the basket without any real direction. At the end of the first half, I think she was something like 1 of 6 with two points, and three fouls.

Don't bother me with what someone does when the score has been decided. Kay Kay must have scored ten points in the last five minutes of the game. Stanford was playing out the string, letting us score, for the most part unopposed. Then, we'd foul, and they'd hit two free throws. They were more likely to hit two free throws than Kay Kay was to make every layup.

Kay Kay has spent two years doing that. She has all of this talent, but she doesn't play like an experienced player. Experience teaches you not to reach in. Experience teaches you to calm down, keep yourself under control. You may look good for a few moments when you are out of control, but you won't last. In big games, Kay Kay often can't make a layup to save her neck. If you watch her against a team that she doesn't fear, her layup is nice and soft. If you watch her in a game that she regards as tough, it is thrown up there in a way that it has no chance of going in. She gets excited under pressure. Experience is supposed to teach you not to do that.

It hasn't.

Why do you think Sherri sat Kay Kay for the Arkansas game? You think she broke some team rule? Kay Kay? She is well-behaved and a favorite. She was being sent a message.

Yesterday wasn't surprising. It is the "Xth" time that Kay Kay has been out of control. I just don't know why Sherri kept playing that song.

 

[SoonerNorm]

ViVi has more fouls per minutes played than does Kaylon.

 

[Sooner Cal]

Sweet,

Kay-Kay is one of our best players. But when it's time to say enough, it's time.

Nearly all of her fouls were stupid, senseless and ticky-tack because she doesn't have the ability to control herself. 3 in the game before last and 2 or 3 last night.

Her inability to overcome this AFTER THREE SEASONS deserves to be discussed, pointed out and criticized.

It make her an incomplete player.

Carter has the same problem.

Little, on the other hand, has a completely different problem and I'm not sure how to describe it. She's a terrific player, but there was a reason she was on the bench most of the time for Blair and we've seen why going down the stretch and in the first part of the season. She disappears.

I think everyone loves all three of them. We all hope they will become more complete players. I'm sure they want they want the same thing as players and I'm just as sure the coaches are on them much more severely than any of us ever will be.

Kay Kay can be an excellent post player, but you have to be on the court to have an impact. She just can't stop the silly fouls. Early in the year Sherry said kay Kay was doing a better job avoiding silly fouls. Well, she regressed.

There's only 1 way to get her attention, put her on the bench then when she gets in, a single silly foul and back to the bench.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Sweetest,

No.

Last night, forget the final totals. When the game was on the line, Kay Kay was missing everything she threw at the basket. Every "layup" was too hard off the glass, and it was thrown at the basket without any real direction. At the end of the first half, I think she was something like 1 of 6 with two points, and three fouls.

Don't bother me with what someone does when the score has been decided. Kay Kay must have scored ten points in the last five minutes of the game. Stanford was playing out the string, letting us score, for the most part unopposed. Then, we'd foul, and they'd hit two free throws. They were more likely to hit two free throws than Kay Kay was to make every layup.

Kay Kay has spent two years doing that. She has all of this talent, but she doesn't play like an experienced player. Experience teaches you not to reach in. Experience teaches you to calm down, keep yourself under control. You may look good for a few moments when you are out of control, but you won't last. In big games, Kay Kay often can't make a layup to save her neck. If you watch her against a team that she doesn't fear, her layup is nice and soft. If you watch her in a game that she regards as tough, it is thrown up there in a way that it has no chance of going in. She gets excited under pressure. Experience is supposed to teach you not to do that.

It hasn't.

Why do you think Sherri sat Kay Kay for the Arkansas game? You think she broke some team rule? Kay Kay? She is well-behaved and a favorite. She was being sent a message.

Yesterday wasn't surprising. It is the "Xth" time that Kay Kay has been out of control. I just don't know why Sherri kept playing that song.

So if you were in charge you would prefer a player who shoots at a 12.5% clip rather than one who shoots 54%?

Even if she was 1 of 6 on the first few, that is 16% - still better than 12.5%.

She was not the reason we lost. No matter how much some want to blame it on her. The others panicked and lost their focus. She kept doing her best. She is not perfect, but then who is? We could not afford to miss at the end - while we hoped they might miss a few free throws. Why do you think Sherri told them to let KK shoot those? Because she considered her the worst player on the court? She could have put in Vivi - or Treece - or Kellog - or several others, all of whom I like and hope get better by next year. But she didn't.

I think she believed KK was our best option and most likely to deliver. And she did her part every time. I wish we could say that about some of the others.

We all get frustrated when we lose. I maybe more than anyone. But we still have to keep our minds clear and look at what really happened - over the entire course of the game - and not show panic ourselves and make rash incorrect decisions about what is really wrong.

The truth is you cannot win with a guard oriented offense unless your guards can hit a very high percentage of 12 to15 foot jumpers when the 3 is not falling. You also cannot leave 40% 3 point shooters totally open in the corner time after time after time.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Kaylon lead the team in field goal percentage at 60%, was 2nd on the team in average points per game, lead the team in rebounding, was 2nd on the team in steals, was the best defensive big we had, and finished the game last night with 22 points and 10 rebounds...yeah, what the hell was Sherri thinking last night?!?!?!

The goofy comments on this board are astounding!

 

[sybarite]

You keep trying to make this about who should start now. Right now, you have Kay Kay.

Given her performance in big games, that is unfortunate. Does she have the talent to do better? Yep. But, this has been the case for some time now.

Lose the game. Well, she certainly didn't help. What lost the game was that we, with the exception of Gioya early, were really not experienced enough to deal with adversity.

You keep talking about her scoring. When the game was on the line, Kay Kay was a disaster. This isn't about Vivi being better. This is about someone who must learn to settle down. Kay Kay did hurt us yesterday. It wasn't her fault. We knew she was like this. When we saw it, we should have backed off trying to get the ball inside. It simply wasn't effective. They dominated points in the paint. With the game still on the line, Kay Kay couldn't hit a layup, couldn't get a rebound, and wasn't playing defense. She had a bad day.

Once the game was decided, she suddenly scored. Why? The pressure was gone.

Next year, we have Kay Kay. If she doesn't grow up, we have a problem. We can't win at that level unless we have players that play at that level, who show up in pressure situations. Kay Kay will be a senior. Will she get it?

Frankly, if she doesn't, I really hope that Vivi learns fast. You emphasize her fouls. She was doing exactly what she was taught to do. Plant your body for a screen. The officials called her for having her legs too wide---dumb call, irrational call. What constitutes too wide? If that is how she gets her balance, she has it right. Vivi has come on faster than I thought she would. I want a center who can get a putback, a rebound, and play defense. If she can do that without causing problems, I don't care if she scores six or twenty. I want no misses, a lot of rebounds, and defense.

 

[sybarite]

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Go back through the Play-by-Play

19:03 Missed jumper
18:05 Foul
18:05 sub out
14:51 sub in OU leads 10-6
14:38 rebound
14:25 missed layup
14:20 steal
14:19 assist
13:36 turnover
12:57 missed layup
12:28 good layup--two points
10:33 foul
10;33 sub out ---score tied 14-14

3:33 sub in---OU leads 29-24
3:09 foul, sub out

OK. Halftime. Kay Kay has two points, one rebound, one steal, one assist, one turnover, is 1 for four from the field. When it counted, when we were building our lead and playing well, what was her contribution?