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Let's try and discuss this topic without name calling...
A lot of schools don't recruit out players, because they don't want to be look at as a gay program. Uconn had a lesbian on there team recently so they started an Tour of champion campaign, basically telling kids you can be who you are at Uconn...
I know OU had 2-3 girls who would appear to be lesbian on the team at one time a few years back, one started to dress a little more masculine around her senior year, and might have had her girl friend around some of the team. While I don't think Sherri has a issue with a players sexual orientation I think she cares more about religious kids... I believe the team has mandatory bible study.

http://www.outsports.com/2013/10/28/5038514/uconn-womens-basketball-breaks-the-silence-lesbian
 
sybarite said:
The story that I read made no specific claims about OU at all. It detailed her lifelong experiences, most of which concerned people that she was close to her entire life. OU was barely mentioned in passing.

She seemed to be out to some extent for several years, some prior to OU.
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Wow....sounds similar to another story but it doesn't support your argument again so you run from the truth.
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
These are all just wild speculations we are making. No one knows so let's not argue about what we cannot know for sure.

I think we can all agree about this. If you want to be an accepted part of a group who have certain well known values about social issues, it is foolish to get in the group and then make a big deal about the fact you live a lifestyle different from the group. Keep it to yourself or get in a group that feels like you do - or at least does not care.

Keep personal things to yourself. If you know it will bother them don't disrespect them by taunting them with your choices and actions.
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Hear, hear as it applies to private enitities. Public enitities are subject to complying to the laws of the land. If LGBTQ, don't accept a scholarship in defiance of their Code of Conduct and their practice religious faith. Accept an offer from a public school like OU/Texas and be an advocate for change equal rights and acceptance of your community.
 
SoonerSpock said:
Hear, hear as it applies to private enitities. Public enitities are subject to complying to the laws of the land. If LGBTQ, don't accept a scholarship in defiance of their Code of Conduct and their practice religious faith. Accept an offer from a public school like OU/Texas and be an advocate for change equal rights and acceptance of your community.
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+1. If I'm anti-gun, I'm not going to join the NRA. If I'm against Obamacare, I might prefer joining the Republican Party. If I'm gay, I probably won't go to a Christian school that opposes that lifestyle.
 
womenssports said:
One of her best friends on the basketball team did not know she was a lesbian, so no she was not out at OU. Got that straight from the friend, who is straight.
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Possible. When I was in college at OU, I spent a summer in a rooming house on DeBarr which had a number of gays. They were out, but I had no idea they were out because nobody told me. At the time, I didn't recognize it.
 
SoonerSpock said:
Hear, hear as it applies to private enitities. Public enitities are subject to complying to the laws of the land. If LGBTQ, don't accept a scholarship in defiance of their Code of Conduct and their practice religious faith. Accept an offer from a public school like OU/Texas and be an advocate for change equal rights and acceptance of your community.
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Once again, you are placing the responsibility and the blame on someone who is 17-19 years old at the time. The institution which has a code of conduct that prohibits the behavior but still recruits the player is absolved? An institution that denies the right of someone to exist is not held accountable for bringing someone into the institution that will knowingly not be accepted by the institution simply because they have some skills that the institution wants?
 
sybarite said:
Once again, you are placing the responsibility and the blame on someone who is 17-19 years old at the time. The institution which has a code of conduct that prohibits the behavior but still recruits the player is absolved? An institution that denies the right of someone to exist is not held accountable for bringing someone into the institution that will knowingly not be accepted by the institution simply because they have some skills that the institution wants?
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You are still missing the point....these kids do not come out until it is graduation time or they are ready to transfer. I don't feel you are that ignorant so i will take it as you are just being a protective parent.

Bottom line is this......kids all over the country do not feel comfortable enough to come out before they go to college. There are many reasons why they feel this way and it should not be like this
 
skilledserv said:
You are still missing the point....these kids do not come out until it is graduation time or they are ready to transfer. I don't feel you are that ignorant so i will take it as you are just being a protective parent.

Bottom line is this......kids all over the country do not feel comfortable enough to come out before they go to college. There are many reasons why they feel this way and it should not be like this
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We have been told that quite a number of people in Griner's past, as well as at the university, were aware of her sexual choice. She explicitly told them during recruitment. They said it would not be a problem.

A student may keep such choices quiet or make them known, depending on their choice or accidental disclosure. This happens routinely. But, we have a specific item here.

Baylor's Code of Conduct at the time specifically rejected such behavior. Yet, Baylor recruited both and was aware of at least one.

A student's sexual choices may be kept quiet or exposed at any institution, but do most institutions have a Code of Conduct explicitly forbidding that particular behavior?
 
Very damn tough to find someone hiding in a closet as Emily so declared. Besides 18 year olds are of an accountable age capable of making life and death decisions in life and war. I know having seen friends die in Viet Nam.

For certain ladies are supposed to be more mature than men and this politically correct society that has destroy too much of our world needs to hold more people accountable for their actions.

The key word is knowingly recruit. That has not been determined as a fact. I choose to keep it as an undetermined fact until proven otherwise. If proven I agree with you. Until then I do know that Griner's recruitment was very big news at the time and I think if she had come out it would have been even news. To my knowledge it has never been verified what was her sexual orientation until she had been on campus in Waco for years.

Oh, and your warped belief is not documentation.
 
SoonerSpock said:
Very damn tough to find someone hiding in a closet as Emily so declared. Besides 18 year olds are of an accountable age capable of making life and death decisions in life and war. I know having seen friends die in Viet Nam.

For certain ladies are supposed to be more mature than men and this politically correct society that has destroy too much of our world needs to hold more people accountable for their actions.

The key word is knowingly recruit. That has not been determined as a fact. I choose to keep it as an undetermined fact until proven otherwise. If proven I agree with you. Until then I do know that Griner's recruitment was very big news at the time and I think if she had come out it would have been even news. To my knowledge it has never been verified what was her sexual orientation until she had been on campus in Waco for years.

Oh, and your warped belief is not documentation.
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And, her comments are to be ignored?
 
Mac said:
Let's try and discuss this topic without name calling...
A lot of schools don't recruit out players, because they don't want to be look at as a gay program. Uconn had a lesbian on there team recently so they started an Tour of champion campaign, basically telling kids you can be who you are at Uconn...
I know OU had 2-3 girls who would appear to be lesbian on the team at one time a few years back, one started to dress a little more masculine around her senior year, and might have had her girl friend around some of the team. While I don't think Sherri has a issue with a players sexual orientation I think she cares more about religious kids... I believe the team has mandatory bible study.

http://www.outsports.com/2013/10/28/5038514/uconn-womens-basketball-breaks-the-silence-lesbian
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Not sure what you are saying...that she doesn't have an issue with a player's sexual orientation but she wants them to be religious? WOW....that's illegal.
And mandatory bible study...no way is that legal. And does she want them to be Christians? IF either of the two things you said about religion above are true, then she should be fired. This is a public university.
I believe that was one of the issues with Deb Patterson a few years ago at KSU.
I don't think for a minute that Sherri is obvious about any of the things that would be illegal in recruiting.......such as only recruiting religious kids, mandatory bible study, NOT recruiting out lesbians.
 
womenssports said:
Not sure what you are saying...that she doesn't have an issue with a player's sexual orientation but she wants them to be religious? WOW....that's illegal.
And mandatory bible study...no way is that legal. And does she want them to be Christians? IF either of the two things you said about religion above are true, then she should be fired. This is a public university.
I believe that was one of the issues with Deb Patterson a few years ago at KSU.
I don't think for a minute that Sherri is obvious about any of the things that would be illegal in recruiting.......such as only recruiting religious kids, mandatory bible study, NOT recruiting out lesbians.
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More innuendo! We've had that for years on this board! Don't see them attacking Patty.

Also, I guess I missed the appearance qualifications in being lesbian! I had no idea!

SMH!
 
Mac said:
Let's try and discuss this topic without name calling...
A lot of schools don't recruit out players, because they don't want to be look at as a gay program. Uconn had a lesbian on there team recently so they started an Tour of champion campaign, basically telling kids you can be who you are at Uconn...
I know OU had 2-3 girls who would appear to be lesbian on the team at one time a few years back, one started to dress a little more masculine around her senior year, and might have had her girl friend around some of the team. While I don't think Sherri has a issue with a players sexual orientation I think she cares more about religious kids... I believe the team has mandatory bible study.

http://www.outsports.com/2013/10/28/5038514/uconn-womens-basketball-breaks-the-silence-lesbian
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Actually, I have never heard mentioned that UCONN did the Tour of Champion campaign because there was a lesbian on the team but that it was the initiative of Br{ache the Silence-" an organization working to close that gap and to make women’s athletics a more inclusive and welcoming place for the LGBTQ community. The organization is focusing on creating leadership, educating and training college coaches and administration, and giving athletes and their allies the skills they need to be advocates for the LGBTQ community." ...They recruited UCONN to do the first Tour of Champions.

"The second initiative, a public service announcement for its “All In” initiative features out athletes, coaches, and their allies speaking about their personal experiences, what inclusion means to them, and why it’s important. The video features, Paralympian and head coach Stephanie Wheeler, Hall of Fame basketball coach Lin Dunn, out WNBA player Layshia Clarendon, Olympic soccer player Jennifer Molina, out basketball coach Sherri Murrell, and student-athlete/ally Mikayla Lyles." It was one of these videos which I tweeted to OUWBB as it is now also supported by the National Women's Basketball Association and it was not retweeted.
This is the website for Br{ache the silence organization: http://freedomsounds.org/
 
tycat947 said:
More innuendo! We've had that for years on this board! Don't see them attacking Patty.

Also, I guess I missed the appearance qualifications in being lesbian! I had no idea!

SMH!
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I guess you were trying to be funny and that was towards me?
You know what dressing masculine is and what dressing feminine is...

Maybe its not mandatory bible study, but more of a group bible study that the team has.
 
womenssports said:
Are you replying to me?
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I initially was replying to the required "bible study" that has been thrown out on this board for years as another supposed fact to bash Sherri and the program. Yet, on appearances, the softball coach and program is just as "religious", or even moreso, yet no bashing of Patty.

The second comment was just a general statement of bewilderment but nothing that you stated.
 
Mac said:
I guess you were trying to be funny and that was towards me?
You know what dressing masculine is and what dressing feminine is...

Maybe its not mandatory bible study, but more of a group bible study that the team has.
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There was nothing funny about it at all! Mostly disgust! You do realize that you cannot determine someone's sexual orientation by their dress, right?
 
tycat947 said:
There was nothing funny about it at all! Mostly disgust! You do realize that you cannot determine someone's sexual orientation by their dress, right?
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I am facebook friends with 2 of the players I'm talking about, but I don't see anything disgusting about saying some one is dressing masculine.

I live in the San Francisco Bay area I support the LGBT community..
 
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