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[sybarite]

I agree it is not a legal case. I think it is an issue of two girls not respecting the religious belief of a church and school and enrolled in the school despite the conflict of their sexual orientation and were upset with the way they were treated.

However common respect for all dictates you still get the facts not just an accusation. Read the link from skillsevr regarding Emily and you get a different perspective than the one you attack. Let us not forget those that are gay chose to go to Baylor knowing the position of the church and Baylor regarding sexual orientation.

I am neither religious or gay but am a personal advocate for freedom and rights of LGBTQ community. I also know that their rights end at the doorstep of the Baptist Church and Baylor University so long as they are not deprived employment and other legal rights. The church and school also have the right to their religious beliefs as well.

If you are gay and go to Baylor expect that most are going to believe your sexual orientation is a sin and they are going to pray for you to see the light. If you don't like their approach get the h?ll out of Dodge. If you try to change their ways expect to get push back and rightly so.

Although I am pleased that Niemann exhibited forgiveness, I don't think it addresses the issue at all. Actually, does your response? At the time of their recruitment, Emily and Brittany were not exactly adults. I would frame the question differently. Why would an institution that is in opposition to their lifestyles recruit them?

They could have gone anywhere, or most places, at least. But, while knowing that their behavior was in conflict with their ideology, Baylor recruited them. The "adult" in the relationship seemed to want to win more than to have their interests at heart.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Someone needs to look up the in-depth story on the suicide of Rosalind Ross.


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[sybarite]

Rosalind was murdered.

 

[skilledserv]

Although I am pleased that Niemann exhibited forgiveness, I don't think it addresses the issue at all. Actually, does your response? At the time of their recruitment, Emily and Brittany were not exactly adults. I would frame the question differently. Why would an institution that is in opposition to their lifestyles recruit them?

They could have gone anywhere, or most places, at least. But, while knowing that their behavior was in conflict with their ideology, Baylor recruited them. The "adult" in the relationship seemed to want to win more than to have their interests at heart.

Don't think you have read the link at all....if you would read the article it does not speak of an apology so much but of the other issues she was dealing with on her on. Please try and read the article, i know it's long but it tells you what she dealt with from the 3rd grade.

Griner is more of a situation of being mislead by Damion and she has come back to admit this.

 

[tycat947]

Rosalind was murdered.

Exactly!

SMH

 

[sybarite]

Don't think you have read the link at all....if you would read the article it does not speak of an apology so much but of the other issues she was dealing with on her on. Please try and read the article, i know it's long but it tells you what she dealt with from the 3rd grade.

Griner is more of a situation of being mislead by Damion and she has come back to admit this.

I read it. You read it as an exoneration of Baylor and Mulkey. I read it simply as a young woman trying to deal with her own issues.

The question remains: why did an institution recruit someone whose lifestyle choices were in opposition to theirs? Was it simply a disregard of problems if she had useful skills?

 

[skilledserv]

I read it. You read it as an exoneration of Baylor and Mulkey. I read it simply as a young woman trying to deal with her own issues.

The question remains: why did an institution recruit someone whose lifestyle choices were in opposition to theirs? Was it simply a disregard of problems if she had useful skills?

So you are telling me OU does not look past problems that kids may have? I know of a few problems that are looked over when it comes to one of the incoming recruits.

 

[sybarite]

So you are telling me OU does not look past problems that kids may have? I know of a few problems that are looked over when it comes to one of the incoming recruits.

How did we get into OU and problems?

At the time of their recruitment, their lifestyle was in conflict with the Baylor Code of Conduct. Why would Baylor recruit someone who was in conflict with their principles?

I'm not sure who might conflict with OU.

 

[tycat947]

How did we get into OU and problems?

At the time of their recruitment, their lifestyle was in conflict with the Baylor Code of Conduct. Why would Baylor recruit someone who was in conflict with their principles?

I'm not sure who might conflict with OU.

Sulkey Mulkey told Griner it was not a problem!

 

[SoonerNorm]

Griner should have kept her mouth shut. Everyone should keep their private lives private and there never have been an issue. She didn't want to do that. Instead, she thought everyone should know about her sexual orientation. Stupid.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Although I am pleased that Niemann exhibited forgiveness, I don't think it addresses the issue at all. Actually, does your response? At the time of their recruitment, Emily and Brittany were not exactly adults. I would frame the question differently. Why would an institution that is in opposition to their lifestyles recruit them?

They could have gone anywhere, or most places, at least. But, while knowing that their behavior was in conflict with their ideology, Baylor recruited them. The "adult" in the relationship seemed to want to win more than to have their interests at heart.

And what evidence do you have that they disclosed their sexual orientation? Or did they choose to stay in the closet at recruitment time? It seems certain the Emily was still playing the homophobic role even after enrolling and attending school at Baylor if you take the following literally.

"I had two on and off relationships with girls that, for the most part, went un-labeled thus granting me a weird sense of okayness as I cuddled with girls and texted sweet nothings all day during my first two years at Baylor. As innocent as they were, I carried a lot of guilt and shame about those relationships. At the same time I was very homophobic toward my teammates as a way to protect my own secret".

It appears that Emily deceived Baylor when she accepted a scholarship to play basketball. Maybe Baylor and Kim was the victim. For certain neither of us know all the facts but those present do not point any fingers toward Baylor.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Sulkey Mulkey told Griner it was not a problem!

And your evidence of such is Griner's word? Right? Your assumption may be correct but we do not have the evidence to verify such. Besides history shows there could be reason to question Griner's explanation of several things. Net, net. We don't have enough evidence to condemn anyone. We only know for certain that they had a disagreement that to date has never been resolved. Hence there still has to be two side to the story.

 

[skilledserv]

I read it. You read it as an exoneration of Baylor and Mulkey. I read it simply as a young woman trying to deal with her own issues.

The question remains: why did an institution recruit someone whose lifestyle choices were in opposition to theirs? Was it simply a disregard of problems if she had useful skills?

Griner should have kept her mouth shut. Everyone should keep their private lives private and there never have been an issue. She didn't want to do that. Instead, she thought everyone should know about her sexual orientation. Stupid.

Damion convinced her to do it for money purpose....i do know that for a fact

 

[skilledserv]

And what evidence do you have that they disclosed their sexual orientation? Or did they choose to stay in the closet at recruitment time? It seems certain the Emily was still playing the homophobic role even after enrolling and attending school at Baylor if you take the following literally.

"I had two on and off relationships with girls that, for the most part, went un-labeled thus granting me a weird sense of okayness as I cuddled with girls and texted sweet nothings all day during my first two years at Baylor. As innocent as they were, I carried a lot of guilt and shame about those relationships. At the same time I was very homophobic toward my teammates as a way to protect my own secret".

It appears that Emily deceived Baylor when she accepted a scholarship to play basketball. Maybe Baylor and Kim was the victim. For certain neither of us know all the facts but those present do not point any fingers toward Baylor.

This is exactly why i said Syb DID NOT read the article. Syb just throws out whatever he can to make his case. Please read.....it will help you in the long run

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

This is exactly why i said Syb DID NOT read the article. Syb just throws out whatever he can to make his case. Please read.....it will help you in the long run

As usual, the pot is calling the kettle black.

Read, read, read, ss.

Now if you want to call the players liars, that's one thing, but Griner clearly says Kim knew.

 

[womenssports]

I was not thinking about the sexual orientation part when I posted. But Britanny's personality is just so much different than many of the girls on OU's team, that I would not be surprised to learn that if she and Sherri discussed it, Sherri helped her see the challenges she would need to face. I do not recall anyone on OU's team who has been as agressive or beligerent on the court as Griner. It seems to me like Sherri tries to avoid that kind of thing to protect the reputation of her program. But, I am not aware of any mention of Griner's sexual orientation until at or near the end of her college time at Baylor. Certainly no one was talking about it when she was being recruited.

Considering everything we understand today it is hard to not expect there are all kinds of social aspects among our team and graduates. None of that should matter as long as everyone gets along well and accepts others being different in various ways than they are.

You can be friends with and have lots of respect for people that are like you or different than you. Some people draw lines in the sand, but they are making a mistake to do that.

Well, how often did we see that with Griner on the Court? I mean I don't know what her reputation was and I saw two incidents...one bad; however, in her defense, she had been bullied most of her life. And she was bullied by other fans and probably teams before college and probably during. You have enough problems being 6'7" girl and then having her voice and being black. I believe that would cause most of us to have some anger issues. Oh, and her father was not happy with her for being a lesbian.
And she was out in high school so I am sure Sherri knew. Her father was not happy with her for being a lesbian. Considering all she endured prior to college, I thought she did well in college. NOW, I don't know why Sherri did not offer her a scholarship but I find it difficult to believe that Sherri wouldn't have been able to dealt with her anger issues and they have a pyschologist for the players. I personally feel Sherri did not want an out lesbian on her team. If true, I do not respect that but that is not to say that there are not things about Sherri that I do respect.

And agree with you regarding your last paragraph. We lose so much by not embracing people who are different from us. That is how we learn and improve ourselves and improve our enjoyment of life.

 

[sybarite]

And what evidence do you have that they disclosed their sexual orientation? Or did they choose to stay in the closet at recruitment time? It seems certain the Emily was still playing the homophobic role even after enrolling and attending school at Baylor if you take the following literally.

"I had two on and off relationships with girls that, for the most part, went un-labeled thus granting me a weird sense of okayness as I cuddled with girls and texted sweet nothings all day during my first two years at Baylor. As innocent as they were, I carried a lot of guilt and shame about those relationships. At the same time I was very homophobic toward my teammates as a way to protect my own secret".

It appears that Emily deceived Baylor when she accepted a scholarship to play basketball. Maybe Baylor and Kim was the victim. For certain neither of us know all the facts but those present do not point any fingers toward Baylor.

You keep trying to stage a courtroom drama. This is in the court of public opinion. Given the Baylor track record which has been involved in things like the cover up of a murder, why would you not suspect Baylor? The fact is that Griner is probably more credible in this than is Kim, and she states what happened during recruiting. Was there more money in the lie? Given the type of money involved in payoffs, it seems that the money would be made in keeping it quiet.

Why are you so intent on protecting the image of something that has been tarnished rather profusely? Wouldn't your time be more appropriately defending the OU program since you are supposedly an alum? Why do you side with Baylor so often, but so rarely with OU?

 

[womenssports]

Why would I know? The young people of today aren't as interested in this as the older crowd. A lot of the racial and sexual agendas are not a part of their lives unless they are in an extremist group of some kind. Acceptance of different choices are routine. I'm not even sure that the topic would be addressed. We have gone from a "don't ask, don't tell" era to a "could care less" era.

Why would you know? Because it would be talked about if these young women were out and dating. I mean some may be out to their teammates but it appears to not be something that they can be open about to the community. Second, do you think that being involved in promoting racial equality on campus is being part of an extremist group? Joining the protest against the SAE was being extremist when teams got involved with their coaches, some wore black uniforms for a game...tennis, rowing, baseball......think we all know the football team cancelled some practices. I don't see that as being extreme. However, OUWBB was absent during this time as far as twitter and as far as the staff.

If you think being GLBT or black is a non-issue with young people, I don't think you are paying attention.

 

[skilledserv]

As usual, the pot is calling the kettle black.

Read, read, read, ss.

Now if you want to call the players liars, that's one thing, but Griner clearly says Kim knew.

Griner also came back to say kim didn't know and that she said some of the things for book sales. She was mis lead by Damion.

Now i will say this......i am almost certain that Kim knew she was and i am for sure they knew she wasn't the only one, but I am for sure that they aren't the only ones on campus like this.

At the end of the day Griner made some bad decisions towards the end of her career that i know she wish she could take back. Kim may have trusted her a little to much and it backfired on her. It was not an NCAA violation and that's what matters

 

[sybarite]

Why would you know? Because it would be talked about if these young women were out and dating. I mean some may be out to their teammates but it appears to not be something that they can be open about to the community. Second, do you think that being involved in promoting racial equality on campus is being part of an extremist group? Joining the protest against the SAE was being extremist when teams got involved with their coaches, some wore black uniforms for a game...tennis, rowing, baseball......think we all know the football team cancelled some practices. I don't see that as being extreme. However, OUWBB was absent during this time as far as twitter and as far as the staff.

If you think being GLBT or black is a non-issue with young people, I don't think you are paying attention.

I have no idea what you are talking about with most of your post. But, I think that being of different sexual orientations or being black would be of no consequence to members of the team. The highschool kids that I know simply don't care about sexual orientation---except for a few. They tend to be the extreme.