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[sybarite]

There is no one that allows the game to play on and jumps on officials less than Lon Kruger. It doesn't affect his coaching. The guy CAN coach!

I've never seen Muffet McGraw, Tara VanDerVeer, Marsha Sharp, Jody Conradt, etc, etc do strip teases on the sideline either!

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Baylor has two titles. After each title, one of the key players that enabled Baylor to win found it necessary to express dissatisfaction with how they had been treated by the staff and administration at Baylor. One was sufficiently despondent to leave Baylor with a year left. The other made it clear that Baylor had lied to her, that Mulkey had lied to her, and that she had been betrayed by her treatment at Baylor.

If OU were to win a title and have that occur, would you feel proud of the title?

Let's not forget that the second title was with a group that had been recruited under very cloudy behavior. Let's concentrate on one thing: the players themselves expressed dismay.

Would you be proud?

Does it cause you to question how someone, knowing this, can commit to play for Baylor? Does it tell you anything about their sense of priorities?

 

[womenssports]

I thought this was a good article and that Boyette was once again impressive, YET

 

[SoonerSpock]

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Baylor has two titles. After each title, one of the key players that enabled Baylor to win found it necessary to express dissatisfaction with how they had been treated by the staff and administration at Baylor. One was sufficiently despondent to leave Baylor with a year left. The other made it clear that Baylor had lied to her, that Mulkey had lied to her, and that she had been betrayed by her treatment at Baylor.

If OU were to win a title and have that occur, would you feel proud of the title?

Let's not forget that the second title was with a group that had been recruited under very cloudy behavior. Let's concentrate on one thing: the players themselves expressed dismay.



Would you be proud?

Does it cause you to question how someone, knowing this, can commit to play for Baylor? Does it tell you anything about their sense of priorities?

For certain I would have to have more information than just a players accusation to convict anyone. Accusations confirm nothing. I would assume Baylor's administration investigated the accusations and the absence of any punishment being levied was do to the absence of enough evidence to confirm the truth of the accusations. For certain all are innocent until proven guilty.

All the accusations tell me is that two players were unhappy but it should be checked out as to why. Nothing more nothing less. Unless of course Kim's success gives you a pain in the backside.

 

[SoonerNorm]

For certain I would have to have more information than just a players accusation to convict anyone. Accusations confirm nothing. I would assume Baylor's administration investigated the accusations and the absence of any punishment being levied was do to the absence of enough evidence to confirm the truth of the accusations. For certain all are innocent until proven guilty.

All the accusations tell me is that two players were unhappy but it should be checked out as to why. Nothing more nothing less. Unless of course Kim's success gives you a pain in the backside.

It's funny...when we hear/read a story that is unkind to Sherri, we are quickly reminded that we are only hearing one side of the story. But, any story that is unkind to Kim is good enough to convict. Interesting how that works!

 

[sybarite]

And, how many stories does it take to form a picture?

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

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Baylor has two titles. After each title, one of the key players that enabled Baylor to win found it necessary to express dissatisfaction with how they had been treated by the staff and administration at Baylor. One was sufficiently despondent to leave Baylor with a year left. The other made it clear that Baylor had lied to her, that Mulkey had lied to her, and that she had been betrayed by her treatment at Baylor.

If OU were to win a title and have that occur, would you feel proud of the title?

Let's not forget that the second title was with a group that had been recruited under very cloudy behavior. Let's concentrate on one thing: the players themselves expressed dismay.

Would you be proud?

Does it cause you to question how someone, knowing this, can commit to play for Baylor? Does it tell you anything about their sense of priorities?

I know Griner was the 2nd player you are talking about. Who was involved after that 1st NC?

When you consider all we have seen from Griner, it is not too surprising she was not happy at Baylor. I mean coming off the bench to fight, intentionally breaking the jaw of an opponent, that behind the back knockdown of an OU player at midcourt, and all the other situations we have heard about. It is not surprising she had a hard time feeling at home at Baylor. I'm sure Sherri considered all the personality issues when she was recruiting that year.

I do agree that Kim should have done everything in her power to help her deal with all that since she did bring her to the institution. And who knows, maybe she did.

 

[sybarite]

Emily Niemann, the 6-3 or 6-4 forward who hit threes.

 

[SoonerSpock]

And, how many stories does it take to form a picture?

Stories don't form pictures facts do. Next thing you know we will be using the media to determine guilt. Those that practice those tactics are doubtful citizens that think only their eyes can see the truth, as they wish it to be, regardless from which end of the spectrum they reside.

 

[skilledserv]

Emily Niemann, the 6-3 or 6-4 forward who hit threes.

Before you type room now on......it may be a good idea to research what you are talking about or watch a few more games before you talk about a kid. You have no clue on about 93.7% of the things you discuss and you turn the other cheek for your own child..... Child meaning OU.

This kid had a lot going on from dealing with being gay to being addicted to pain killers. I will give you a link to read this for yourself but knowing you.....you will not read it or you will find a way to ignore this post because it does not support your thoughts.

http://www.outsports.com/2014/5/28/5758348/emily-nkosi-baylor-lesbian-kim-mulkey

No need to go into Griner......i feel that situation goes without saying, but one thing i will say about her is she is the only kid from Kim Mulkey's program to not get her degree. Oh yea she was 7 hours short. She decided not to go to class after the loss to Louisville. That tells you a few things about that situation. Also know this, griner did apologize for actions

 

[SoonerNorm]

Before you type room now on......it may be a good idea to research what you are talking about or watch a few more games before you talk about a kid. You have no clue on about 93.7% of the things you discuss and you turn the other cheek for your own child..... Child meaning OU.

This kid had a lot going on from dealing with being gay to being addicted to pain killers. I will give you a link to read this for yourself but knowing you.....you will not read it or you will find a way to ignore this post because it does not support your thoughts.

http://www.outsports.com/2014/5/28/5758348/emily-nkosi-baylor-lesbian-kim-mulkey

No need to go into Griner......i feel that situation goes without saying, but one thing i will say about her is she is the only kid from Kim Mulkey's program to not get her degree. Oh yea she was 7 hours short. She decided not to go to class after the loss to Louisville. That tells you a few things about that situation. Also know this, griner did apologize for actions

Facts have never stopped syb from going off on wild tangents. :ez-laugh:

 

[sybarite]

Before you type room now on......it may be a good idea to research what you are talking about or watch a few more games before you talk about a kid. You have no clue on about 93.7% of the things you discuss and you turn the other cheek for your own child..... Child meaning OU.

This kid had a lot going on from dealing with being gay to being addicted to pain killers. I will give you a link to read this for yourself but knowing you.....you will not read it or you will find a way to ignore this post because it does not support your thoughts.

http://www.outsports.com/2014/5/28/5758348/emily-nkosi-baylor-lesbian-kim-mulkey

No need to go into Griner......i feel that situation goes without saying, but one thing i will say about her is she is the only kid from Kim Mulkey's program to not get her degree. Oh yea she was 7 hours short. She decided not to go to class after the loss to Louisville. That tells you a few things about that situation. Also know this, griner did apologize for actions

Very Christian of her to accept the responsibility on her own. The simple fact was that she was not accepted by Baylor, and Mulkey did not help her player with the homophobia of the community.

The facts are that each national title had a young woman whose sexual orientation caused her problems. One felt it necessary to leave Baylor. The other indicated that she had been misled during her recruiting to believe that her sexual orientation would not be a problem. In both cases, it was.

Now, you can go back to your defending of all things Baylor and Texas.

 

[sybarite]

Stories don't form pictures facts do. Next thing you know we will be using the media to determine guilt. Those that practice those tactics are doubtful citizens that think only their eyes can see the truth, as they wish it to be, regardless from which end of the spectrum they reside.

In the first place, this is not a court of law. Neither is the situation in which these events occurred. This refers to public acceptance and public opinion which often lead to legal changes. In the recent history, laws and attitudes towards sexual orientation have changed in many communities in response to a shifting opinion.

We do use the media to determine guilt and always have. That's how we get laws and attitudes to change. But, this is not about a legal case. It is about how an attitude of community standards and program standards affected the lives and attitudes of two girls.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

one thing i will say about her is she is the only kid from Kim Mulkey's program to not get her degree. Oh yea she was 7 hours short. She decided not to go to class after the loss to Louisville. That tells you a few things about that situation. Also know this, griner did apologize for actions

It actually tells you a few things about Griner. What happened to her does not even scratch the surface of some of the things lots of kids - right here in OKC - have to deal with every day. Unfortunately some of them make the bad decision to drop out of school, but thankfully most do not.

She should never have gone to Baylor. Her view of life is too different from that of most of the students who attend there. There were a number of places that would have been better for her.

I wonder if Sherri saw that and acted in Brittany's favor. Kim did not. I have no idea if Kim helped her or not after she arrived. But it is a huge red flag that losing a basketball game caused her to drop out of her classes.

 

[womenssports]

I wonder if Sherri saw that and acted in Brittany's favor. Kim did not. I have no idea if Kim helped her or not after she arrived. But it is a huge red flag that losing a basketball game caused her to drop out of her classes.

Just curious as to what you are saying. Did Sherri see that Brittany was an out lesbian and did not recruit her for Brittany's own good?

 

[womenssports]

HOW many OU players are out before they graduate from OU? How much help do they get from Sherri in being accepted? Don't pretend that OU's women's program is not homophobic and, for that matter, not too long ago we had a racist point guard with black friends. I admit it was ignorance and that she could learn, but she had no clue when she was at OU about racial issues and said some stupid things on twitter. AND where were the OU WBB players when other athletic teams were doing things such as protesting, wearing black uniforms for games, etc. when the SAE issue arose. NADA on twitter, NADA from Sherri.

Sherri isn't perfect and it is ok to bring out her deficiencies. That does not make one a hater of Sherri nor a hater of OU. It is also okay to say good things about other universities.

WOW. I thought this was a good article which was why I posted. I never thought out it would bring out such ignorance. It talked about the program, Boyette's comments were impressive and interesting, plus it talked a little about Tina which has been mentioned on the board. AND we wonder why this country has become so full of hate? No reason to wonder when you can't even talk about something as unimportant as sports.

 

[sybarite]

Since OU has had different sexual orientations before, i doubt that it was a factor. Non-related behavior problems might have been. But, we have zero idea of any OU involvement with Griner. Griner only mentioned what Baylor had told her.

 

[womenssports]

Since OU has had different sexual orientations before, i doubt that it was a factor. Non-related behavior problems might have been. But, we have zero idea of any OU involvement with Griner. Griner only mentioned what Baylor had told her.

BUT how many of those young women on the team were out? How many are out when they are invited back to OUWBB events? How many that are out are invited back to OUWBB events?

I have no idea about Griner and OU but being the best player in the nation, you would think we would have been interested. But again, I have no idea if we were or not. If we didn't, I am quite sure it is because she was out. Do you know of any players under Sherri's tenure that were publicly out while playing for OU? I don't. Of course, I think many did not know/accept they were lesbians until college or after for a varied number of reasons.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

BUT how many of those young women on the team were out? How many are out when they are invited back to OUWBB events? How many that are out are invited back to OUWBB events?

I have no idea about Griner and OU but being the best player in the nation, you would think we would have been interested. But again, I have no idea if we were or not. If we didn't, I am quite sure it is because she was not out. Do you know of any players under Sherri's tenure that were publicly out while playing for OU? I don't. Of course, I think many did not know/accept they were lesbians until college or after for a varied number of reasons.

I was not thinking about the sexual orientation part when I posted. But Britanny's personality is just so much different than many of the girls on OU's team, that I would not be surprised to learn that if she and Sherri discussed it, Sherri helped her see the challenges she would need to face. I do not recall anyone on OU's team who has been as agressive or beligerent on the court as Griner. It seems to me like Sherri tries to avoid that kind of thing to protect the reputation of her program. But, I am not aware of any mention of Griner's sexual orientation until at or near the end of her college time at Baylor. Certainly no one was talking about it when she was being recruited.

Considering everything we understand today it is hard to not expect there are all kinds of social aspects among our team and graduates. None of that should matter as long as everyone gets along well and accepts others being different in various ways than they are.

You can be friends with and have lots of respect for people that are like you or different than you. Some people draw lines in the sand, but they are making a mistake to do that.

 

[sybarite]

BUT how many of those young women on the team were out? How many are out when they are invited back to OUWBB events? How many that are out are invited back to OUWBB events?

I have no idea about Griner and OU but being the best player in the nation, you would think we would have been interested. But again, I have no idea if we were or not. If we didn't, I am quite sure it is because she was out. Do you know of any players under Sherri's tenure that were publicly out while playing for OU? I don't. Of course, I think many did not know/accept they were lesbians until college or after for a varied number of reasons.

Why would I know? The young people of today aren't as interested in this as the older crowd. A lot of the racial and sexual agendas are not a part of their lives unless they are in an extremist group of some kind. Acceptance of different choices are routine. I'm not even sure that the topic would be addressed. We have gone from a "don't ask, don't tell" era to a "could care less" era.

 

[SoonerSpock]

In the first place, this is not a court of law. Neither is the situation in which these events occurred. This refers to public acceptance and public opinion which often lead to legal changes. In the recent history, laws and attitudes towards sexual orientation have changed in many communities in response to a shifting opinion.

We do use the media to determine guilt and always have. That's how we get laws and attitudes to change. But, this is not about a legal case. It is about how an attitude of community standards and program standards affected the lives and attitudes of two girls.

I agree it is not a legal case. I think it is an issue of two girls not respecting the religious belief of a church and school and enrolled in the school despite the conflict of their sexual orientation and were upset with the way they were treated.

However common respect for all dictates you still get the facts not just an accusation. Read the link from skillsevr regarding Emily and you get a different perspective than the one you attack. Let us not forget those that are gay chose to go to Baylor knowing the position of the church and Baylor regarding sexual orientation.

I am neither religious or gay but am a personal advocate for freedom and rights of LGBTQ community. I also know that their rights end at the doorstep of the Baptist Church and Baylor University so long as they are not deprived employment and other legal rights. The church and school also have the right to their religious beliefs as well.

If you are gay and go to Baylor expect that most are going to believe your sexual orientation is a sin and they are going to pray for you to see the light. If you don't like their approach get the h?ll out of Dodge. If you try to change their ways expect to get push back and rightly so.