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Correct... not “trash” but it was between the lines!!

Yep.

The Sooners have talent – it's been on display during multiple wins over big time programs. There's no denying that, at the present time, the team has taken a step back, especially on the defensive end. However, anyone who "implies" that this is a bad team, or one incapable of competing on a high level, is simply wrong.
 
Man this can be a confusing place sometimes -- until mid January, the consensus on the board seemed to be that this is the deepest and most talented team since the Tubbs era, and that we were not just deeper than Kansas, but more talented. Now, it sounds like it is Trae and a bunch of guys from the Y. Truth is always somewhere in between, of course. Maybe this whole debate shows why it is dangerous to draw conclusions based on a few games. People always seem to overestimate depth early in the season, then get their hopes dashed when league play starts and we are facing really good teams every night.

As some have pointed out, I think there is reason to think that Kam and Doo in particular will eventually get back on track. Hopefully, that happens this season, but it could be like what happened to James and take till the off-season. With 10+ games left, still a lot of time for things to get better (or worse).
 
In the last 3 weeks OU's defensive efficiency according to Kenpom has gone from 32nd to 89th in the nation. I'm sorry, but that is a legitimate worry.
 
In the last 3 weeks OU's defensive efficiency according to Kenpom has gone from 32nd to 89th in the nation. I'm sorry, but that is a legitimate worry.

Yep....I'm with you. And Kenpom's efficiency ratings are SOS-adjusted, thus it begs the question what are we doing now defensively that we weren't doing earlier this season (or vice versa)?
 
This thread mirrors one I posted last week saying we have multiple decent #3s but no #2s.

I thought McGusty or Doolittle were the most likely to take the next step to be a #2 (someone who can take over the game when Tre's shots aren't falling) but I've changed my mind.

At this point I think our best hope to see that kind of player is Odomes. Next year Manek (with a year to work on his body and post skills) would be the obvious favorite to be that #2 player but he and James are too streaky right now and are REALLY dependent on Young's passes.

What Odomes showed me last night (even hitting two 3s) is that he actually can take over the game if he has confidence. I think he felt like he had to do that because James was out. Odomes taking that step is the key to our season IMHO---well that and Tre keeping up his current pace but that's a given.
 
We were terrible last year. Basically unwatchable. At least in terms of having a really good reason to tune in to the last half of the season last year. It was brutal.

Now, we are a top 10-15 team and on target for a top 4 seed in the Dance. And yes it is ALL because of TY. With a sprinkling a Manek.

We are absolutely horrendous defensively and during the few minutes per game that TY sits, basically can’t score. The offense is ALL TY. He either creates something easy for someone else or does something ridiculous for himself. In games at the LNC he’s had some help as guys have hit a far higher percentage of shots. But make no mistake— it’s still ALL TY. He either makes it go or it does NOT go. Part of this is due to the limitations of his teammates. Part of it is due to some of the challenges posed when one player is so far superior to everyone else. What I mean by that is a guy like McGusty would likely be having a better year if TY wasn’t here. And OU as a team would be far worse.

TY is a once in a generation talent. He’s a phenom. He is playing on teammwith guys who are not on his planet. We win when he goes bananas. We lose when he is merely awesome. Looks like Lon has some good guys lined up the next few years. Hopefully the program is heading in a direction where they will be consistently good. For right now, I’d say soak this up for what it is and don’t worry about what it isn’t.

I know our record didn't prove well, but not sure I would classify last years team as "terrible".

Lost to Northern Iowa by 3 in OT. (Should have won that game we were up 20 at one point)
Lost to Wichita State in OKC by 3. We were leading the entire game.
Lost to Memphis in OT. (Lawson bros, Kansas guys now)
Lost to Auburn by 4. Had a really slow start (which was our problem last year. Close game though)
Lost to TCU by 3. (winning at half time)
*beat a tough WVU team at WVU*
Lost in 2OT to (great) Iowa State. Such a tough break.
Lost by 1 against Texas at the buzzer (TWICE). Couldn't close games! Too young.
Lost to OSU by 2 and 4. Should have won the game in Norman. Forte made 3-4 threes in a row.

You split these games and you are 17-16 and borderline NCAA team. But, definitely NIT (similar record as TCU)

Also, why is it bad to have a clear best player on your roster? It isn't bad to have a go to guy (glue guy) on your team! You have to have a best player. The reason we couldn't win games last year is because no one wanted the ball at the end of the game! We have two others that are more than capable shooters (manek and james). Two post guys that have better than average moves and are insane rim protectors. We a great driving/slashing and defender in Odomes. I think sometimes we forget how good this guy is on defense.

Yes, we have 4 guys that are struggling (sophomore slumps). But I do have a couple of points to their defense. Shep has such a tough job of picking up where Trae left off. What do we expect? Also, he is getting 10 min a game. Not enough time to play through mistakes. We are seeing a prime example of why Non con games are so important in Doolittle. Mcgusty plays a lot of one on one ball. He is having a hard time adapting to moving without the ball (James does this super well). Freeman, honestly is just out matched out there. Not sure I see him staying long.

Many teams play 6 rotational guy consistently and throw in others for breaks. We have a great 6 players and 3 others that are slumping, but man are they better than some of the options we had 3-4 years ago.

Final thoughts on my rant. The Buddy team didn't have a deep bench, at all. Teams that win the Tournament (or get to the final four) aren't always the most well rounded. It is who gets hot. Here is to hoping we are like the 2011 UCONN team with Kemba. That team lost 9 games that year and got hot at the right time behind an insane player.
 
We were terrible last year. Basically unwatchable. At least in terms of having a really good reason to tune in to the last half of the season last year. It was brutal.

Entirely disagree with this. The Woodard situation was a kick to nuts and came at the worst time. But I enjoyed watching the young guys progress.

We really struggled in close games
https://twitter.com/ou_mbball/status/958787305501790209
 
Entirely disagree with this. The Woodard situation was a kick to nuts and came at the worst time. But I enjoyed watching the young guys progress.

We really struggled in close games
https://twitter.com/ou_mbball/status/958787305501790209

They finished 9th out of 10 teams and got beat by 20 in the conf tournament by the #8 seed. Sure, I'd agree that their record was at least a tad misleading due to some close losses and bad circumstances, but the bottom line is that they were not a good team last year; they weren't even an average team. You can split hairs between "below average" and "terrible." Maybe somewhere between those two levels. In any event, it was just about as bad as a season as we've had in program history in terms of record. I didn't have a huge problem with it-- it came on the heels of a Final Four team that lost the all (or most) of the important contributors. I was surprised we dipped as low as we did last year, but a "mulligan" season was OK with me based on the success of the prior seasons.

My point is simply that we added a phenom to a group that was not particularly good the year before. I have no idea why some people choose to read that as calling the individual players "trash" or "garbage." And now, some are acting surprised that we kind of look like a one-man team. Well, in terms of us reaching the level we've reached this year, it is because we ARE a one-man team. Now, take that one man off the roster and we may very well be better this year than we were last year--- but we wouldn't be in the same area code of where we are now. This season is "Trae or die" and I'm fine with that.
 
Yep....I'm with you. And Kenpom's efficiency ratings are SOS-adjusted, thus it begs the question what are we doing now defensively that we weren't doing earlier this season (or vice versa)?

One of the weakness of all statistical data is its inaccuracy with limited data. Hence all early season stats have a very high error fact. As more games are played and the data becomes more complete its accuracy does the same. It is likely that the kenpom DE ranking of 32 was very inaccurate and that the 89th ranking is much closer to the team that we are defensively.
 
They finished 9th out of 10 teams and got beat by 20 in the conf tournament by the #8 seed. Sure, I'd agree that their record was at least a tad misleading due to some close losses and bad circumstances, but the bottom line is that they were not a good team last year; they weren't even an average team. You can split hairs between "below average" and "terrible." Maybe somewhere between those two levels. In any event, it was just about as bad as a season as we've had in program history in terms of record. I didn't have a huge problem with it-- it came on the heels of a Final Four team that lost the all (or most) of the important contributors. I was surprised we dipped as low as we did last year, but a "mulligan" season was OK with me based on the success of the prior seasons.

My point is simply that we added a phenom to a group that was not particularly good the year before. I have no idea why some people choose to read that as calling the individual players "trash" or "garbage." And now, some are acting surprised that we kind of look like a one-man team. Well, in terms of us reaching the level we've reached this year, it is because we ARE a one-man team. Now, take that one man off the roster and we may very well be better this year than we were last year--- but we wouldn't be in the same area code of where we are now. This season is "Trae or die" and I'm fine with that.

This is a depressing thread.. but you are right. We were terrible last year. No justifying that like some are trying
 
I sure wasn't trying to call our team "trash" and I am glad that ADA kindly gave me a pass and maybe read my mind a bit. I tend to find teams easy or hard to watch. IMO, this team isn't good right now or they peaked too early. However you slice it, call it, whatever. It's just words. I hate that i have to defend something I love and care about when I speak in a way that someone doesn't like.

You hear coaches all the time saying they aren't good right now. It does not mean they have given up on them. Its just what it is. We are not defending. Our bench is really somewhat irrelevant. In the first half of the season we really didn't play great defense but it was so easy for us to score it didn't matter much. I hope the guys regain their swagger and their confidence because I feel that is the thing that is missing for some reason.

Someone said above they feel like we were destined for an early exit in postseason and that's probably how I feel at this point. We probably beat some teams that may not have been as good as advertised and losing to Alabama kinda shows we aren't where we want to be. And no I don't think it was a terrible loss but I expected to get beat after our recent efforts. Earlier, I expected that to be a win.

Bottom line is I am trying to enjoy the ride but I just don't feel we are very good right now and we don't play all that tough. I know they are trying but the mistakes are glaring and obvious and they presented themselves after they had proven so much as a team. To me that's a disappointing season. As always, I hope my concerns and thoughts are proven wrong.
 
One of the weakness of all statistical data is its inaccuracy with limited data. Hence all early season stats have a very high error fact. As more games are played and the data becomes more complete its accuracy does the same. It is likely that the kenpom DE ranking of 32 was very inaccurate and that the 89th ranking is much closer to the team that we are defensively.

And I still don’t think 89th is bad.

There are 330 teams. Even if you throw out the mid/low-majors, that stills indicates we are at least average defensively.

Better than the eye test.
 
And I still don’t think 89th is bad.

There are 330 teams. Even if you throw out the mid/low-majors, that stills indicates we are at least average defensively.

Better than the eye test.

That would put us at 8th in the Big 12 and likely average to below average when compared to other power-6 conference teams. Our offense more than makes up for that on most nights, but it is, by far, our biggest area for improvement.
 
This is a depressing thread.. but you are right. We were terrible last year. No justifying that like some are trying

I certainly didn't mean for it to be depressing. I'm not depressed at all. I'm enjoying this season. I said it before, it's a lot like the 2017 Thunder with Russ doing his thing. I knew that eventually the team had a ceiling and they were highly unlikely to go any farther than that, but what Russ was doing was just so incredible that I sat back and enjoyed the ride for as long as it lasted. Similar with TY this year-- the one difference is that college ball sets up for a potential miracle run-- all you have to do is win one game and advance. TY is good enough to carry them on a run.
 
I certainly didn't mean for it to be depressing. I'm not depressed at all. I'm enjoying this season. I said it before, it's a lot like the 2017 Thunder with Russ doing his thing. I knew that eventually the team had a ceiling and they were highly unlikely to go any farther than that, but what Russ was doing was just so incredible that I sat back and enjoyed the ride for as long as it lasted. Similar with TY this year-- the one difference is that college ball sets up for a potential miracle run-- all you have to do is win one game and advance. TY is good enough to carry them on a run.

I enjoyed Russ' performances last season the same way. Much like I am enjoying Trae's now. Enjoy the moment too instead of just fretting about the NCAA's all the time. Every time Trae makes a 34' jumper I just giggle.
 
I enjoyed Russ' performances last season the same way. Much like I am enjoying Trae's now. Enjoy the moment too instead of just fretting about the NCAA's all the time. Every time Trae makes a 34' jumper I just giggle.

Yep, everyone is fretting about how OU could get bounced early... and they could. But of the 68 teams that will make the Dance there will probably be at least 60 of them where you could say the same thing. The state of college basketball now is that you have far fewer dominant teams for a variety of reasons. #1 and #2 seeds will likely not lose in the first round, but beyond that just about any team COULD lose at any other point in the tournament. Duke is the only team I've seen this year that I think passes the eye test of being physically superior to most the competition, but I don't think Duke is even a lock to get to the Sweet 16.

So yeah, let's say OU is a #4 seed.... they could get upset as early as round 1 if they have a terrible night-- and anything past the first round will likely be a 50/50 proposition. But that's fine. The Final Four team had an absolute battle in the second round with VCU.

TY is likely here for one year and one year only. He is a unique talent and this is a unique season. We are a one-man show, but it is a show absolutely worth watching.
 
The officials call it tight on trae's drives.. we get to sweet 16. Lock imo
 
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