Weekly Rankings OU #19

[BoulderSooner]

Weekly Rankings OU #16 AP #18 Coaches

AP poll is out 6 big 12 teams in the top 25 OU drops up to 16

UT 10
KU 12
WVU 14
OU 16
ISU 17
BU 21

 

[thebigabd]

I don't know how OU stays ranked... 7-3 isn't a very good non-conference record. I would wager a lot of other teams ranked 20 and up have a better body of work than OU does right now. But pre-season hype plays a lot into these rankings.

 

[skyvue]

I don't know how OU stays ranked... 7-3 isn't a very good non-conference record. I would wager a lot of other teams ranked 20 and up have a better body of work than OU does right now. But pre-season hype plays a lot into these rankings.

C'mon, abd, you're better than that.

We've played a tougher schedule than your average team. Four of our ten opponents were ranked when we played them. Two of our three losses came down to the final buzzer, and none of the three were at home.

I'm not saying we should be ranked any higher than we are, but who you play should matter.

 

[bocabull]

Actually our SOS is nothing special. Our RPI is #30 which is more important than meaningless media polls. We are 0-1 vs 1-25 L Wisconsin; 0-1 vs 26-50 L Washington; 1-0 51-100 W Butler.

1-2 vs the top 100 with no wins against the top 50 is not a very good resume any way you slice it. We are behind our RPI ranking coming out of non conference the past 2 seasons and our RPI slipped in conference play.

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[stormspencer]

Actually our SOS is nothing special. Our RPI is #30 which is more important than meaningless media polls. We are 0-1 vs 1-25 L Wisconsin; 0-1 vs 26-50 L Washington; 1-0 51-100 W Butler.

1-2 vs the top 100 with no wins against the top 50 is not a very good resume any way you slice it. We are behind our RPI ranking coming out of non conference the past 2 seasons and our RPI slipped in conference play.

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You're correct in that statement, however, there is little chance that our RPI will slip during conference play this season....unless the season goes south on us. Below are the following Big 12 team RPIs:
Kansas (2)
Texas (10)
West Virginia (24)
Baylor (25)
Iowa State (33)
Oklahoma St. (46)
TCU (69)
Tech (105)
K-State (123)

If we take care of business (finish above.500 in conference) and avoid lossess to Tech and KSU, our RPI will no doubt improve.

Having said that, RPI is a terrible predictor of future outcomes. Kenpom incorporates many other statistical metrics into his rankings....and we are sitting at #15 as of now. Kenpom is a very good predictor of future outcomes simply because of all of the measures that his system utilizes (luck, adjusted SOS, offensive/defensive efficiency, etc.).

 

[skyvue]

This is why I shake my head when people complain our scheduling. They want to see nothing but good teams, then they ***** and moan when we lose a couple of those games.

We and Washington were virtually tied in the polls, so we were obviously considered pretty equal in talent. We played them on a neutral court. We lost by two, with a potentially winning shot at the end that bounced around the rim but didn't go in.

The Creighton loss was obviously worse, but it was also on the road and they are hardly the Sisters of the Poor. They're a decent team that had a 20+-game home winning streak until recently.

The Wisconsin loss doesn't hurt us a bit, coming, as it did, in the championship game of a tourney with a very strong field.

And I never said our strength of schedule was super-tough, but I guarantee it's tougher than some of the (unnamed) teams abd feels should be ranked above us. If it weren't we wouldn't even be as high as 30 in the RPI.

 

[Laxtothemax12]

I take a 7-3 OU over a 1 loss Ohio State everytime. They don't deserve to be ranked with that schedule

 

[bocabull]

Interesting Storm. I guess KenPom delves into more micro data which certainly would help on targeted predictions. On a macro basis you will find the RPI is very accurate in seeding and success in the tournament once all the anomalies are weeded out. The main anomaly the committee weeds out is a high RPI team without quality (top 50) wins.

 

[Laxtothemax12]

We are the SEC of basketball this year, barring no collapses, 7 teams should enter ranked into conference play--so like SEC football, we beat each other up, stay ranked

 

[DenverSooner]

Lets hope the Big XII enters the season with 7 ranked teams. That will be huge for the conference.

 

[thebigabd]

This is why I shake my head when people complain our scheduling. They want to see nothing but good teams, then they ***** and moan when we lose a couple of those games.

We and Washington were virtually tied in the polls, so we were obviously considered pretty equal in talent. We played them on a neutral court. We lost by two, with a potentially winning shot at the end that bounced around the rim but didn't go in.

The Creighton loss was obviously worse, but it was also on the road and they are hardly the Sisters of the Poor. They're a decent team that had a 20+-game home winning streak until recently.

The Wisconsin loss doesn't hurt us a bit, coming, as it did, in the championship game of a tourney with a very strong field.

And I never said our strength of schedule was super-tough, but I guarantee it's tougher than some of the (unnamed) teams abd feels should be ranked above us. If it weren't we wouldn't even be as high as 30 in the RPI.

Out of left field, but I wonder if anyone would support a more regional approach to scheduling?

Something like this:

Arkansas
Arkansas State
Missouri
Colorado
Colorado State
Denver
UTEP
Houston
Rice
Lamar
UTSA
Iowa
Tulsa
ORU

No idea what the impact on cost, travel, recruiting, television, etc would be.

 

[Laxtothemax12]

KU pooping against Temple

 

[JBaker]

KU pooping against Temple

Holy crap.

 

[bocabull]

KU pooping against Temple

Hilarious. The Big XII is very mediocre. We can absolutely win it with some good shooting.

 

[skyvue]

Hilarious. The Big XII is very mediocre. We can absolutely win it with some good shooting.

No. 1 RPI conference. Best non-conference record.

The conference may not have a great team (that remains to be seen), but it doesn't have a lousy one, either.

 

[OULad]

This thread is great. OU has a really good team. We are a top 20 team. We deserve to be ranked.

 

[stormspencer]

Hilarious. The Big XII is very mediocre. We can absolutely win it with some good shooting.

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The Big 12 may not have a dominant team, but it is BY FAR the best conference top-to-bottom in the country this year. Every computer that is legitimate (Sagarin, RPI, Kenpom, etc.) would agree with that.

 

[AdaSooner]

Hilarious. The Big XII is very mediocre. We can absolutely win it with some good shooting.

I don't agree that the conference is mediocre as a whole. I do agree that OU can win it with solid defense and a more consistent offensive game. Then again, two or three other teams could make that claim.

Top to bottom, I think the Big 12 is the best conference in the country right now. The difference is that KU is not a virtual lock this season. It's going to be a dog fight for the top four or five spots from start to finish. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Big 12 champ has at least five losses when the dust settles.

 

[152219]

Kenpom shows that OU has an elite defense so far this year and a good but not great offense.
http://kenpom.com/index.php

Besides the defense rating, the other stat that jumps out is OU's "luck" factor. 314th out of 351 teams....meaning OU has been unlucky so far this year.

 

[bocabull]

Come on. Who has any big xii team beat? The conference is very mediocre. Only 3 big xii teams in the top 25 of the RPI. Kansas, Texas & West Virginia. Like OU, West Virginia & Texas don't have a single win over a top 50 team.

Texas appears to be legit, Iowa State is consistent under the Mayor, and while Kansas is struggling we know their confidence will kick in when conference play starts due to their history of dominance. But OU has a decent squad and if our shots fall at a better % we have a shot. Not because we're great. Because nobody else is great. The definition of mediocre.