What are your yearly expectations of OU basketball

[coolm]

To sum up your expectations, you were happy with Capel this past season because our team was better at the end of the season than at the beginning?

Then, why were you so excited when it was announced he was getting canned?

ahh, but you forget about the program itself vice the team.

I was very excited that the team was better. I made post after post about just that all season long.

I have NOT been excited that the program has lost ground.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Coolm are you serious with this logic? Basically you can't comprehend how one sets goals for oneself in a competitive market? If I say I want OU to make the Dance every year, that basically means I want OU to be in the top 30-35 teams in the country every year. I don't care that we can't control the talent in this conference, but based on the recent history of the Big 12 which we are assuming will continue, the top 5 teams are among the top 35 in the country and get in the tourney.

I'm not sure how you don't understand this. OU should be in the tourney every year, if not we aren't in the top 35 teams. I want OU to be among the top 35 teams, no matter what is going on with other programs. If the program can't compete with these best teams then we need to get a coach who has the skill to get us there and keep us there every year. Improvement over the course of the year isn't enough, there has to be improvement from year to year as well.

Exactly.

It's not like we are saying we have to beat KU every year and win the conference.

Finishing in the top 4-5 of the conference is doable if we have a good coach. I don't see why that isn't an expectation of this program.

 

[coolm]

OU should be in the tourney every year

that's ridiculous.

 

[Big Old Booger]

that's ridiculous.

Why?

For me, if we have injuries that cause the team to play younger players, like 2004, then I'm perfectly fine with an NIT or less team for that season. I think most reasonable fans are OK with this given this level of circumstances.

 

[coolm]

Why?

OU being "in the top 35" is most certainly not something we have total control over year in and year out.

You people act like there aren't 320 other D1 programs out there striving to reach the same brass ring and it's pure HUBRIS to say "we should be in the ncaa's every year".

Once again - the whole entitlement attitude of OU fans floors me. NO appreciation for success and little recognition of the fact that it is fleeting.

 

[Dem Coltz]

OU being "in the top 35" is most certainly not something we have total control over year in and year out.

You people act like there aren't 320 other D1 programs out there striving to reach the same brass ring and it's pure HUBRIS to say "we should be in the ncaa's every year".

Once again - the whole entitlement attitude of OU fans floors me. NO appreciation for success and little recognition of the fact that it is fleeting.

Yes, we do have control over it. Why has Roy Williams made the Dance for like 20 out of 21 years, or Coach K for 25 years, or Boeheim for 20+ years? Coincidence? Hire a good coach who can recruit talent and is among the best in the country at coaching. As fans we can support the team so that players will want to come here and love being here. The rest will work itself out. Why isn't their success fleeting? Bad coaches fail, mediocre coaches can have fleeting success or failure, but good coaches are constant.

If you don't expect success you won't have success, if you don't strive to be successful you will never become successful. Your logic is bizarre considering this is a competitive sport. Success isn't fleeting for the best. This isn't Ozymandias, we're not talking 1000s of years of expectations. If a coach can't cut it then he doesn't belong. Coffee is for closers. This is not only OU fans who feel this way.

 

[Soonercuda]

Yes, we do have control over it. Why has Roy Williams made the Dance for like 20 out of 21 years, or Coach K for 25 years, or Boeheim for 20+ years? Coincidence? Hire a good coach who can recruit talent and is among the best in the country at coaching. As fans we can support the team so that players will want to come here and love being here. The rest will work itself out. Why isn't their success fleeting? Bad coaches fail, mediocre coaches can have fleeting success or failure, but good coaches are constant.

If you don't expect success you won't have success, if you don't strive to be successful you will never become successful. Your logic is bizarre considering this is a competitive sport. Success isn't fleeting for the best. This isn't Ozymandias, we're not talking 1000s of years of expectations. If a coach can't cut it then he doesn't belong. Coffee is for closers. This is not only OU fans who feel this way.

So a coach that does the following is not meeting your expectations and should be let go (somewhere in here is 1 conference title and 1 conference tourney title):
Year 1 .500 record
Year 2 Makes tourney 1 win
Year 3 Makes tourney 2 wins
Year 4 NIT
Year 5 Makes tourney no wins
Year 6 Makes tourney 2 wins
Year 7 NIT

 

[Sooner04]

ridiculous expectations

Why? I was born in 1982 and a successful OU BBall program is all I've ever known.

 

[Big Old Booger]

So a coach that does the following is not meeting your expectations and should be let go (somewhere in here is 1 conference title and 1 conference tourney title):
Year 1 .500 record
Year 2 Makes tourney 1 win
Year 3 Makes tourney 2 wins
Year 4 NIT
Year 5 Makes tourney no wins
Year 6 Makes tourney 2 wins
Year 7 NIT

I would be happy with this level of success.

 

[Dem Coltz]

So a coach that does the following is not meeting your expectations and should be let go (somewhere in here is 1 conference title and 1 conference tourney title):
Year 1 .500 record
Year 2 Makes tourney 1 win
Year 3 Makes tourney 2 wins
Year 4 NIT
Year 5 Makes tourney no wins
Year 6 Makes tourney 2 wins
Year 7 NIT

That's absolutely not what I'm saying, never said that. There were no scenarios in the poll, just a general expectation, and generally I expect to be in the dance yearly or at least more often than not. And once a coach gets his system in place he shouldn't miss the dance 2 years in a row barring strange circumstances. I even though Capel got the boot too soon, that TMG/WW/Tiny situation would have leveled most coaches. But if given another year to get on track, if he didn't have us poised for the tourney every year I would have said he had to go. Everyone gets an off year now and then, but there should be more on than off. Your hypothetical coach had 2 sweet 16s, 4 NCAAs, a 5-4 record and consistent postseason play. That's good.

 

[coolm]

Yes, we do have control over it. Why has Roy Williams made the Dance for like 20 out of 21 years, or Coach K for 25 years, or Boeheim for 20+ years? Coincidence? Hire a good coach who can recruit talent and is among the best in the country at coaching. As fans we can support the team so that players will want to come here and love being here. The rest will work itself out. Why isn't their success fleeting? Bad coaches fail, mediocre coaches can have fleeting success or failure, but good coaches are constant.

If you don't expect success you won't have success, if you don't strive to be successful you will never become successful. Your logic is bizarre considering this is a competitive sport. Success isn't fleeting for the best. This isn't Ozymandias, we're not talking 1000s of years of expectations. If a coach can't cut it then he doesn't belong. Coffee is for closers. This is not only OU fans who feel this way.

Like I said - more OU entitlement complex. Those schools have more than just good coaches contributing to that AND even with those good coaches there were times they didnt meet that mark.

Face facts - that whole little "goal" concept has been exposed as faulty. Those in the know stopped using it for evaluation years ago. It's mere window dressing now. You set goals of things that are short term that you have control over. period. And that kaka isn't one.

 

[Sooner04]

Like I said - more OU entitlement complex. Those schools have more than just good coaches contributing to that AND even with those good coaches there were times they didnt meet that mark.

Face facts - that whole little "goal" concept has been exposed as faulty. Those in the know stopped using it for evaluation years ago. It's mere window dressing now. You set goals of things that are short term that you have control over. period. And that kaka isn't one.

So we're just supposed to forget how good we were from 1982 through 2009?

 

[coolm]

So we're just supposed to forget how good we were from 1982 through 2009?

who said that?

 

[boksooner]

In my lifetime (b. Sept 1981), OU has missed the post season 3 times and has only had two losing seasons, all under Capel. I don't see how it is unreasonable to expect that kind of success to continue.

 

[152219]

Two bad years shouldn't have changed expectations IMO

 

[Sooner04]

In my lifetime (b. Sept 1981), OU has missed the post season 3 times and has only had two losing seasons, all under Capel. I don't see how it is unreasonable to expect that kind of success to continue.

I don't either.

 

[Dem Coltz]

Like I said - more OU entitlement complex. Those schools have more than just good coaches contributing to that AND even with those good coaches there were times they didnt meet that mark.

Face facts - that whole little "goal" concept has been exposed as faulty. Those in the know stopped using it for evaluation years ago. It's mere window dressing now. You set goals of things that are short term that you have control over. period. And that kaka isn't one.

Ok what should my goal be that I have control over in terms of men's bball at OU? Oh right I'm a fan, I have no control, so I'm not entitled to expect anything. Makes sense, I feel enlightened now. So the "goal" concept has been exposed as faulty, but "you set goals of things that are short term..." blah blah blah. But why set short term goals if goals are faulty? You suck at philosophy.

 

[sooner8]

Make it to tha dance every year & win at least one game & advance to a final 4 now & then(maybe win it all sometime)Not to much to ask for!!Go Sooners!!!!!!

 

[Soonercuda]

That's absolutely not what I'm saying, never said that. There were no scenarios in the poll, just a general expectation, and generally I expect to be in the dance yearly or at least more often than not. And once a coach gets his system in place he shouldn't miss the dance 2 years in a row barring strange circumstances. I even though Capel got the boot too soon, that TMG/WW/Tiny situation would have leveled most coaches. But if given another year to get on track, if he didn't have us poised for the tourney every year I would have said he had to go. Everyone gets an off year now and then, but there should be more on than off. Your hypothetical coach had 2 sweet 16s, 4 NCAAs, a 5-4 record and consistent postseason play. That's good.

OK...I come from a corporate world viewpoint where meeting expectations is the minimum acceptable level of performance. I think your definition is looking at expectations as more like what I would call a stretch goal. Considering that I think what you are saying is reasonable.

 

[thebigabd]

Make the dance, compete for the Big 12 tournament championship.

Making the dance gives you the opportunity to make a run.