Which Big XII road games do you think OU can win?

[DenverSooner]

What Big XII road games do you think OU can win?

TCU, Tech, KSU, Texas, WVU, ISU and possibly even Baylor look like winnable games. I am saying OU will win 7 road games (and Baylor beat Kentucky so I don't know what to think of Baylor) but when I look at what has happened to this point in the season, I think OU can win 4 or 5 road games.

 

[KBaden145]

I'll go 6 with all those except Baylor. OState in Stillwater is always winnable. At KU and Waco will be difficult to win.

 

[WTSooner]

I don't think there is anybody that is unbeatable. @KU will be tough. @Baylor. @OSU. The rest I'd say we have a decent shot at, and I wouldn't write off winning @ Baylor or OSU.

 

[boksooner]

I would categorize them into 4 categories:

1. Should win: Tech and TCU
2. Can win: KSU, Texas, WVU and ISU
3. Probably won't win: Baylor and OSU
4. No chance: KU

 

[WTSooner]

I would categorize them into 4 categories:

1. Should win: Tech and TCU
2. Can win: KSU, Texas, WVU and ISU
3. Probably won't win: Baylor and OSU
4. No chance: KU

That is pretty fair. Given the OSU coach, and the fact that weird things happen in that series, I'd say that game teeters between 2-3.

 

[oSuJeff97]

I'll go 6 with all those except Baylor. OState in Stillwater is always winnable. At KU and Waco will be difficult to win.

OU is 2-10 in GIA since the expansion, and 0-10 with teams that don't have Blake Griffin on the roster.

Not saying you can't win there, but I wouldn't file it under "always winnable" necessarily. They'll more than likely be a pretty big underdog in that game this year.

If the question is what road games should OU win, I'd go with TCU and Tech at this point. Maybe WVU... I want to see how they play over the next few weeks, though.

Outside of that, I think OU will be a pretty big underdog at the rest of the road games.

 

[KBaden145]

That is pretty fair. Given the OSU coach, and the fact that weird things happen in that series, I'd say that game teeters between 2-3.

We win in there about 40% of the time. That would make it a 2.5...

 

[KBaden145]

OU is 2-10 in GIA since the expansion, and 0-10 with teams that don't have Blake Griffin on the roster.

Not saying you can't win there, but I wouldn't file it under "always winnable" necessarily. They'll more than likely be a pretty big underdog in that game this year.

If the question is what road games should OU win, I'd go with TCU and Tech at this point. Maybe WVU... I want to see how they play over the next few weeks, though.

Outside of that, I think OU will be a pretty big underdog at the rest of the road games.

I said "always winnable" not "always wins". The games are usually tight and each team has a chance. Historically we do better there than most and much better than OState does in LNC.

 

[oSuJeff97]

I would categorize them into 4 categories:

1. Should win: Tech and TCU
2. Can win: KSU, Texas, WVU and ISU
3. Probably won't win: Baylor and OSU
4. No chance: KU

I would put KSU and Texas in the same category as OSU and Baylor.

All four of those teams grouped pretty tightly together in the current KenPom ratings:

21. Baylor
23. K-State
27. Texas
30. OSU

 

[WTSooner]

OU is 2-10 in GIA since the expansion, and 0-10 with teams that don't have Blake Griffin on the roster.

You sure about that?

Looks like we won there in 2009, 2008, and 2006.

3-4 in Stillwater for our last 7 games.

 

[WTSooner]

On the flip side, OU has won the last 8 meetings in Norman, and 11 of the last 12.

:clap

 

[oSuJeff97]

You sure about that?

Looks like we won there in 2009, 2008, and 2006.

3-4 in Stillwater for our last 7 games.

I stand corrected. Apparently, my Internets research skills are lacking. :facepalm

So you have 1 win in GIA by a team that doesn't have BG on the roster.

 

[oSuJeff97]

On the flip side, OU has won the last 8 meetings in Norman, and 11 of the last 12.

:clap

Yes -- I would never characterize Norman as a "winnable" game for OSU, until we actually win there once or twice.

 

[KBaden145]

Yes -- I would never characterize Norman as a "winnable" game for OSU, until we actually win there once or twice.

Historically, we win about 75% in Bedlam in LNC and, as I said earlier, 40% in GIA. A superior home court advantage and pretty decent success in GIA is why we have over a 30 game advantage in the series.

 

[jerry]

I stand corrected. Apparently, my Internets research skills are lacking. :facepalm

So you have 1 win in GIA by a team that doesn't have BG on the roster.

Typical Sheepherder!!

 

[DenverSooner]

OU is 2-10 in GIA since the expansion, and 0-10 with teams that don't have Blake Griffin on the roster.

Not saying you can't win there, but I wouldn't file it under "always winnable" necessarily. They'll more than likely be a pretty big underdog in that game this year.

If the question is what road games should OU win, I'd go with TCU and Tech at this point. Maybe WVU... I want to see how they play over the next few weeks, though.

Outside of that, I think OU will be a pretty big underdog at the rest of the road games.

I don't know when the expansion was but OU won in 2009, 2008, 2006 and 2000. In 2012, 2011, 2007, 2003 and 2002 the games were close with the largest margin of victory being 7 points, one game a 2 point game and one OT game. I can't remember the actual games to say whether OU closed a gap at the end or OSU pulled away at the end but those all appear to have been fairly winnable games based on the final scores. To me that says since 2000 OU was in a winnable game 9 of 13 contests.

On the flip side OSU has only won 2 in Norman during that same stretch; however, the bulk of the games were also pretty close with only 4 games being decided by 10 or more points. Oddly both teams have won 4 home games fairly convincingly over that 13 season stretch. (Just so you don't say I intentionally picked 2000 as my starting point, OSU beat OU in 1998 and 1994 and 1992 in Norman. From 1991 to 1966 OSU only won one game in Norman.)

FYI Gallagher Hall became GIA in 1987 not 2000 when it was expanded a second time. So OU has actually won 8 games in GIA but the vast majority of games have been pretty close regardless of location over the last 20 years or so. Leonard Hamilton got OSU to the point of it being a tough road game. Sutton made OSU a tough team to play in any location. Ironically both teams suffered a down turn at about the same time.

 

[KBaden145]

Good, accurate information. Been telling people for years what a myth OState home court advantage is. It's a tough place to play but not as tough to win as most think. Probably 4-5 places in the conference and 20-25 just as tough across the country.

 

[jrich02]

I stand corrected. Apparently, my Internets research skills are lacking. :facepalm

So you have 1 win in GIA by a team that doesn't have BG on the roster.

Come on now, surely you remember that Blake missed the game in Stillwater his freshman year due to an injury. Everyone thought we would get blasted but Tony Crocker went off and we won anyway. Blake only played one time in Stillwater.

 

[playmakr]

OSUjeff struggling mightily in this thread with his facts. Maybe as bad as I've ever seen. Maybe he is disillusioned by Gundy packing his bags.

 

[oSuJeff97]

Come on now, surely you remember that Blake missed the game in Stillwater his freshman year due to an injury. Everyone thought we would get blasted but Tony Crocker went off and we won anyway. Blake only played one time in Stillwater.

That's why I said "on the roster", instead of "played."

OSUjeff struggling mightily in this thread with his facts. Maybe as bad as I've ever seen. Maybe he is disillusioned by Gundy packing his bags.

I missed one fact. The win in 2006 - that's it.

GIA was expanded in 2001, so I wasn't counting 2000.

Even if you add back in that 2006, OU's winning percentage there post-expansion is still just .250. Not exactly stellar. I'd be curious what OU's winning percentage is at other places from 2001-present. Probably not great at KU, but I bet it's pretty decent elsewhere. It seems like Kelvin hardly ever lost to Texas for example, but maybe my memory is fuzzy...

Also - don't know why you guys keep bringing up OSU's record in LNC. I know it sucks. But again, I've never claimed that to be "winnable", especially in a year when it looks like OU would be more talented.