Why did it take 2 months to promote Goodman?

[jmizzy4ou]

:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm:facepalm

 

[Cheno]

Capel could have hired Phil Jackson to fill one of the spots and there are a few on here that would make an issue of it.

True.

Capel could have hired Sean Sutton and a few on here would have thought it was the best decision ever.

True.

Can we hire a JUCO coach to be an assistant? That would obviously delight some of our posters who idolize all things JUCO.

True.

 

[HeismanWatch]

if I were coach I wouldnt be in any damn hurry to fill those spots either. His trust was misplaced before and he got burned....tends to make one more than a bit gunshy.

^^^^Oh brother!!! :vitale

 

[HeismanWatch]

I'm sure Capel put the feelers out, but didn't have many takers with the TRUE experience required to turn this around. That's obviously taking into consideration the unknowns OU is facing in the near future with the NCAA, so he just promoted people that are here and will be here through the ordeal.

OU BB is going to be hit hard IMHO! Why even ignore that fact? Those outside the program in the coaching community didn't ignore that fact IMHO.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I'm sure Capel put the feelers out, but didn't have many takers with the TRUE experience required to turn this around. That's obviously taking into consideration the unknowns OU is facing in the near future with the NCAA, so he just promoted people that are here and will be here through the ordeal.

OU BB is going to be hit hard IMHO! Why even ignore that fact? Those outside the program in the coaching community didn't ignore that fact IMHO.

I don't know of anyone who is ignoring the fact that the penalties will likely be severe. We don't know how severe but I think most expect them to be more than a slap on the wrist.

You can only hope for the best but expect the worst.

 

[Gutter]

How should we know?

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I don't know of anyone who is ignoring the fact that the penalties will likely be severe. We don't know how severe but I think most expect them to be more than a slap on the wrist.

You can only hope for the best but expect the worst.

Generally, even a body like the NCAA needs "evidence". Based on what we have heard to date, they have very little of that to go on:

1) Tiny said his mother got a loan from an institution that was in the business of providing loans, and that the loan was paid back. That in and of its self is not an NCAA violation.

2) There were numerous phone calls/texts between Talifero and Hausinger, the content of which nobody at this point knows. It is not an NCAA violation for an assistant coach to call a "financial adviser". If it can be PROVEN that they talked about getting Tiny eligible [and not just connect the dots speculation] then even then , it is not cut and dried that we get "nailed".

3) Not 100% sure about the dates, but during the time these phone calls had taken place between Talifero and Hausinger, Tiny had already signed his LOI so its not like there was an INDUCEMENT involved to get Tiny to come to OU. Big difference between cash payments to get players to come to a school vs. loans being made to current players that have to be paid back. Right now there is probably not one student athlete at OU or most other D-1 schools that are not getting financial aid in addition to their scholarships (unless based on their families financial situations, they niether need it or are ineligible)...and in probably just about every instance, it is university officials doing the work on getting it.

Here is what it sounds like OU "may" be guilty of: A player needed money to pay to his private school so a transcript would be released, one of our assistant coach's (allegedly) played a part in putting said player in contact with a lender who was in the business of making loans so as to facilitate said players ability to be eligible to play. By all accounts, the loan was paid back, presumably in the course of the terms and conditions of the loan. In other words, a private business transaction (with records that are confidential pursuant to FEDERAL law). Hausinger was not an OU booster. JP Morgan was not an OU booster. And those were (allegedly) the sources of the funds. Is it a good thing? No. But just not seeing the severe penalties that everybody else does. On some level it is no different that these kids getting Pell Grants in addition to their scholarships.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Generally, even a body like the NCAA needs "evidence". Based on what we have heard to date, they have very little of that to go on:

1) Tiny said his mother got a loan from an institution that was in the business of providing loans, and that the loan was paid back. That in and of its self is not an NCAA violation.

2) There were numerous phone calls/texts between Talifero and Hausinger, the content of which nobody at this point knows. It is not an NCAA violation for an assistant coach to call a "financial adviser". If it can be PROVEN that they talked about getting Tiny eligible [and not just connect the dots speculation] then even then , it is not cut and dried that we get "nailed".

3) Not 100% sure about the dates, but during the time these phone calls had taken place between Talifero and Hausinger, Tiny had already signed his LOI so its not like there was an INDUCEMENT involved to get Tiny to come to OU. Big difference between cash payments to get players to come to a school vs. loans being made to current players that have to be paid back. Right now there is probably not one student athlete at OU or most other D-1 schools that are not getting financial aid in addition to their scholarships (unless based on their families financial situations, they niether need it or are ineligible)...and in probably just about every instance, it is university officials doing the work on getting it.

Here is what it sounds like OU "may" be guilty of: A player needed money to pay to his private school so a transcript would be released, one of our assistant coach's (allegedly) played a part in putting said player in contact with a lender who was in the business of making loans so as to facilitate said players ability to be eligible to play. By all accounts, the loan was paid back, presumably in the course of the terms and conditions of the loan. In other words, a private business transaction (with records that are confidential pursuant to FEDERAL law). Hausinger was not an OU booster. JP Morgan was not an OU booster. And those were (allegedly) the sources of the funds. Is it a good thing? No. But just not seeing the severe penalties that everybody else does. On some level it is no different that these kids getting Pell Grants in addition to their scholarships.

You and I are on the same page. Here are 3 things that concern me the most are:

1. OT it appears was right in the middle of the loan arrangement. Not sure but it smells that way.

2. OT was fired. If he did nothing wrong, why was he sent packing?

3. Tiny was advised to go pro. If he was not involved in anything shady, why the recommendation to go pro?

I am certainly hopeful this all works out well for OU but I do think there is plenty to be concerned about.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

You and I are on the same page. Here are 3 things that concern me the most are:

1. OT it appears was right in the middle of the loan arrangement. Not sure but it smells that way.

2. OT was fired. If he did nothing wrong, why was he sent packing?

3. Tiny was advised to go pro. If he was not involved in anything shady, why the recommendation to go pro?

I am certainly hopeful this all works out well for OU but I do think there is plenty to be concerned about.

I think the answer to all of those questions is becuase we were still under probation and didn't want our image tarnished any further. But seriously, based on what we know, we are at most looking at limitations on visits and maybe a scholarship reduction...and that is probably what OU offers the NCAA. Unless Tiny, Taliferro or Hausinger talk, we are probably good. And fwiw, Tiny doesn't have to talk and Hausinger would likely be in a deeper mess if he did as well. Taliferro, who knows.

 

[HeismanWatch]

Generally, even a body like the NCAA needs "evidence". Based on what we have heard to date, they have very little of that to go on:

1) Tiny said his mother got a loan from an institution that was in the business of providing loans, and that the loan was paid back. That in and of its self is not an NCAA violation.

2) There were numerous phone calls/texts between Talifero and Hausinger, the content of which nobody at this point knows. It is not an NCAA violation for an assistant coach to call a "financial adviser". If it can be PROVEN that they talked about getting Tiny eligible [and not just connect the dots speculation] then even then , it is not cut and dried that we get "nailed".

3) Not 100% sure about the dates, but during the time these phone calls had taken place between Talifero and Hausinger, Tiny had already signed his LOI so its not like there was an INDUCEMENT involved to get Tiny to come to OU. Big difference between cash payments to get players to come to a school vs. loans being made to current players that have to be paid back. Right now there is probably not one student athlete at OU or most other D-1 schools that are not getting financial aid in addition to their scholarships (unless based on their families financial situations, they niether need it or are ineligible)...and in probably just about every instance, it is university officials doing the work on getting it.

Here is what it sounds like OU "may" be guilty of: A player needed money to pay to his private school so a transcript would be released, one of our assistant coach's (allegedly) played a part in putting said player in contact with a lender who was in the business of making loans so as to facilitate said players ability to be eligible to play. By all accounts, the loan was paid back, presumably in the course of the terms and conditions of the loan. In other words, a private business transaction (with records that are confidential pursuant to FEDERAL law). Hausinger was not an OU booster. JP Morgan was not an OU booster. And those were (allegedly) the sources of the funds. Is it a good thing? No. But just not seeing the severe penalties that everybody else does. On some level it is no different that these kids getting Pell Grants in addition to their scholarships.

Very little evidence, but you were able to write an English Comp I paper with it!!!
:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale

 

[Cheno]

I think the answer to all of those questions is becuase we were still under probation and didn't want our image tarnished any further. But seriously, based on what we know, we are at most looking at limitations on visits and maybe a scholarship reduction...and that is probably what OU offers the NCAA.

In the scenario you laid out of no violations, OU wouldnt even get the restrictions on visits or scholarship reduction. I don't know why OU would even consider offering that if what you said above plays out.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

In the scenario you laid out of no violations, OU wouldnt even get the restrictions on visits or scholarship reduction. I don't know why OU would even consider offering that if what you said above plays out.

Because Talifero obviously had something to do with Hausinger...what it was may never be proven, but my "guess" is that it was making sure that Tiny's mom got that loan and the timing of the loan. Not 100% sure if EITHER of those things is in fact an NCAA violation, but If I were representing OU, I would advise them to throw out a self-sanction of a fairly insubstantial penalty so as to get this matter behind them as quickly as possible rather than have: (a) a cloud hanging over the program (actually, all of the programs) while the NCAA spends a year or two investigating with "iffy" results; and (b) give cannon fodder to the Doyle's and Trammel's of the world. To me it is a win-win, NCAA saves time and money investigating something that may not be proven, and OU get's to pick its own poison.

If you need another reason why you just want to get it over with, look at this thread, it was started by an "OU fan" who wanted to know why "it took so long" to hire an assistant coach or two. Another fan made light of their qualifications and speculated that nobody else was interested in the job becuase of potential NCAA issues. In short, every move that OU makes going forward will be scrutinized with issues about "probation", even by its fans. I am the most massive OU homer on the planet, and even I have some creeping doubts about the reasons why Cline left and who these replacements are. I've had the privilege of meeting Joe Castiglione on several occasions. Boren less often but more than a couple of times. And both strike me as guys that would rather operate under a known penalty than speculation. But my perception certainly could be wrong.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Very little evidence, but you were able to write an English Comp I paper with it!!!
:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale:vitale

Do you WANT OU to get hit with massive sanctions? Just curious.

 

[MNsooner]

Mr.B!!!'s speculation seems somewhat reasonable, but the issue is that we just don't have the info at this point. If the whole thing blows over, I will assume you were more or less right. If it comes up again, it will probably be bad news. Right now, no news is good news.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Mr.B!!!'s speculation seems somewhat reasonable, but the issue is that we just don't have the info at this point. If the whole thing blows over, I will assume you were more or less right. If it comes up again, it will probably be bad news. Right now, no news is good news.

That is where I am at as well...not sure where "positive" speculation is considered silly, but "negative" speculation is considered the norm. must be negative people on the internets LOL. Truth is, we ALL need more information, and with the way this transaction went down, not sure that there is all that much out there. To me, the BIG issue is that the loan occurred after, not before Tiny signed his LOI and was paid back. That seems to be ignored by many of the pundits, both on here and in the professional media.

 

[campbest]

Honestly, I am not that worried about it.