Why would candidates give us the "cold shoulder"?

[Big Old Booger]

Most coaches would prolly tell you three at a minimum

I have now been told by my media contact the NCAA issues are what is causing coaches to give us the cold shoulder.

I don't think many coaches are upset we fired Capel after 2 craptacular years. I think most would agree it was more of Griffin and less of Capel for the reason we made the elite 8, and once you throw in the NCAA troubles nobody blames us for letting him go.

 

[bgrch1350]

Dude...please stop polluting my threads with this crap that Capel "will prove to be an outstanding recruiter and coach". He may but he probably won't because he failed miserably in Norman. He was a crappy recruiter and an even worse coach. This is why our program is in this position.

Thanks.

You better hope he doesn't get the NCST job, b/c he will prove you wrong in year 1.

 

[bgrch1350]

I have now been told by my media contact the NCAA issues are what is causing coaches to give us the cold shoulder.

I don't think many coaches are upset we fired Capel after 2 craptacular years. I think most would agree it was more of Griffin and less of Capel for the reason we made the elite 8, and once you throw in the NCAA troubles nobody blames us for letting him go.

It was b/c of Capel and Griffin. Stop taking the credit away from Capel. I don't take away elite 8s and final 4s away from other coach's b/c they had a solid player on their team.

 

[Gutter]

Any coach that thinks it's okay to suck for three or more years needs to keep their ....where they're at.

they are.

 

[straightballin]

BOB, who would you list as your top candidates to take the job? Just wondering.

 

[Big Old Booger]

BOB, who would you list as your top candidates to take the job? Just wondering.

A couple of months ago I was championing Marshall. Then I fell for the buzz hype and then Kruger.

Now I would say Marshall I think would be fine and Weber would be ok with me. I like Kevin Stallings too. Just want somebody competent who can coach good defense. Defense travels as coolm says.

Not opposed to an asst coach if it's somebody who can coach.

 

[FlounderinDC]

A couple of months ago I was championing Marshall. Then I fell for the buzz hype and then Kruger.

Now I would say Marshall I think would be fine and Weber would be ok with me. I like Kevin Stallings too. Just want somebody competent who can coach good defense. Defense travels as coolm says.

Not opposed to an asst coach if it's somebody who can coach.

Agree 100%

 

[HeismanWatch]

It's all about MONEY.

Kentucky is an elite program and they still knew MONEY was going to be the difference-maker in signing Calipari, so they threw $3.5M at him.

OU wants to spend no more than $1.8M, and that dog won't hunt a proven coach even at Kentucky.

 

[FlounderinDC]

It's all about MONEY.

Kentucky is an elite program and they still knew MONEY was going to be the difference-maker in signing Calipari, so they threw $3.5M at him.

OU wants to spend no more than $1.8M, and that dog won't hunt a proven coach even at Kentucky.

So do you want us to overpay for someone who may not deserve it? I understand being competitive with an offer but just throwing money at something isn't always the best answer.

 

[SOONERS45]

A media contact of mine said he's heard a lot of potential candidates are giving OU the "cold shoulder". I am guessing most of these are the folks we would consider the "splash hire", and not the mid-major coach who is wanting to move up (Marshall, Jones, etc.).

So, is it just the NCAA deal that's killing us? Or is it the fact we are a big time football program? Is it the fan support? Is it the administration (from an outsiders perspective)?

What is it?

I really think it has a lot to do with other coaches not wanting to come to a school that gave their coach the boot just two years after being in the Elite Eight.

 

[SOONERS45]

I have now been told by my media contact the NCAA issues are what is causing coaches to give us the cold shoulder.

I don't think many coaches are upset we fired Capel after 2 craptacular years. I think most would agree it was more of Griffin and less of Capel for the reason we made the elite 8, and once you throw in the NCAA troubles nobody blames us for letting him go.

You apparently do not know anything then. You keep saying you think this or you think that, well think about this for a second cochief. If you are at an up and coming basketball school and you have had a lot of success for a small school and all of a sudden, a big time school like OU fires their coach just 2 years after an Elite Eight appearance and they call you. Do you really want to go to a school where the pressure is going to be so heavy on your shoulders to win right away or would you rather stay at your school your at and continue to have success and make bank.

Also to say that most coaches agree that it was Griffin and not Capel is just an asinine statement. Bob Stoops isn't a good coach, he has just had the best players thats why he has been so successful. Cmon man.

 

[Tony]

. Do you really want to go to a school where the pressure is going to be so heavy on your shoulders to win right away....

There won't be any pressure to win right away. The next coach will have a very long leash.

 

[Max Power]

You apparently do not know anything then. You keep saying you think this or you think that, well think about this for a second cochief. If you are at an up and coming basketball school and you have had a lot of success for a small school and all of a sudden, a big time school like OU fires their coach just 2 years after an Elite Eight appearance and they call you. Do you really want to go to a school where the pressure is going to be so heavy on your shoulders to win right away or would you rather stay at your school your at and continue to have success and make bank.

Also to say that most coaches agree that it was Griffin and not Capel is just an asinine statement. Bob Stoops isn't a good coach, he has just had the best players thats why he has been so successful. Cmon man.

Stoops has done it year end and year out, Capel did it once. Comparing the two is asinine. Cmon Man

 

[MercedeSooner]

Considering Stoops has won with a ton of different players, some great some not as great you make a pretty terrible comparison. Capel has only won with Blake and lost without him.

 

[SOONERS45]

Considering Stoops has won with a ton of different players, some great some not as great you make a pretty terrible comparison. Capel has only won with Blake and lost without him.

I understand that but still though. You have to give credit where credit is due. To say that a coach only won because of a good player is ridiculous. It can be said for every coach in every sport. I know he did not do good without him but the fact still remains that he was good with him and you have to give the coach credit for it. Do you guys think Phil Jackson would have won 11 NBA titles if he hadn't had Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, or Shaq?

 

[campbest]

I understand that but still though. You have to give credit where credit is due. To say that a coach only won because of a good player is ridiculous. It can be said for every coach in every sport. I know he did not do good without him but the fact still remains that he was good with him and you have to give the coach credit for it. Do you guys think Phil Jackson would have won 11 NBA titles if he hadn't had Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, or Shaq?

Without Jordan he still won 50+ games and reached the conference semifinals.

I give Capel credit for Blake, he did a great job while he was on campus. But even when we had Blake, the players Capel was bringing in didn't pan out. So if the players we are bringing in during Blake and after Blake aren't working, where do you draw the line?

 

[Iknowzilch]

I have now been told by my media contact the NCAA issues are what is causing coaches to give us the cold shoulder.

I don't think many coaches are upset we fired Capel after 2 craptacular years. I think most would agree it was more of Griffin and less of Capel for the reason we made the elite 8, and once you throw in the NCAA troubles nobody blames us for letting him go.

Some reports indicate the reason Capel was fired is that Joe C. learned our penalties may be worse than thought. I am solid in the camp that a week before Capel was fired Joe C. was probably not firing him. However as soon as there were enough booster unrest and money committed to paying for all this fiasco the light turned green.

I think when your program is a mess and trust me it is and everybody in college basketball knows it it just doesn't appear to be worth risking a chance to come here unless it is a substantial raise. Most of the people we have contacted it has not been substantial enough. Face it our choices are for someone from a lower D-I school that wants in a big conference.

I think the Coach k scenario has some validity. I think we have gotten some bad pub on several fronts and I think it has scared a few off for several reasons that have been discussed.

I don't think Joe C. firing Capel as such has made coaches not want to come here and coach under Joe. Now I think many may think that Capel got a raw deal and should have been given another year. But I think Capel probably has told a few national media guys some unflattering stuff about the job but not necessarily trying to sabotage us. Capel has to begin building his reputation back and he is not going out telling everyone all this is his fault.

Trust me every coach contacted by OU to replace Cochell called Cochell about the OU job.

 

[MichSooner]

It's all about MONEY.

Kentucky is an elite program and they still knew MONEY was going to be the difference-maker in signing Calipari, so they threw $3.5M at him.

OU wants to spend no more than $1.8M, and that dog won't hunt a proven coach even at Kentucky.

Pitino makes over 6 million (in USA Today today) at Lousiville. If you have a budget of say 50 dollars for a pair of shoes and you go to Nordstrom, you are going to be limited inn your selection. If you "only" want to pay 1.8 million given the shape our program is in now and the uncertainty with the NCAA investigation (we should be minimally punished) then the coaching menu will be limited. Mid-major coaches will be high on your list as will assistants at top notch basketball schools.

All 15 OU basketball fans who go to games are about to slit their wrist because it does not look like we are going to get a splash hire. Well, you don't need a splash hire to rebuild our program and win. You have to trust your evaluation of coaches, their recruiting connections, organizational ability, and pull the trigger on the guy who fits this description and is excited about being at OU. This is the way I recruit in my profession - there are plenty of talented people, often better than the more ballyhooed folks, if you do your homework. We can't hire a coach the way Mack Brown recruits football players - off the lists of top recruits.

If we get the right guy in two years some of the asswipes who are turning their nose up at us now will be sorry. Book it.

 

[afaSooner]

There won't be any pressure to win right away. The next coach will have a very long leash.

If we bring in a guy and his team halfway through the season doesn't look much better than what we saw last year, the pressure will definitely begin to mount almost immediately. As bad as OU was last year, we still looked good at times and beat some teams we didn't expect to beat and competed in games we weren't expected to compete in.

If someone comes in and can't even coach our guys up to at least a similar result, there will be heat.

 

[Big Old Booger]

If we bring in a guy and his team halfway through the season doesn't look much better than what we saw last year, the pressure will definitely begin to mount almost immediately. As bad as OU was last year, we still looked good at times and beat some teams we didn't expect to beat and competed in games we weren't expected to compete in.

If someone comes in and can't even coach our guys up to at least a similar result, there will be heat.

Wrong again. The program is a mess, we lost our best player to graduation, and our conference schedule will be much tougher next season. No heat next year regardless of who is the coach.