Woodard foul with 6:18 remaining

[SoonerBounce13]

To answer your question about why there aren't more whistles when screens are set, officials try to ignore what they see as "incidental contact." That's a good thing, because if the whistle blew every time there was contact between two players, it would disrupt the flow of the game too much.



The contact between Woodard and Simmons was too severe to ignore. That call would have been made 99% of the time by any officiating crew worth their salt.

Woodard didn't intentionally make contact though. It was just a great screen


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[DenverSooner]

If I saw a guy running at me as I was setting a screen I'd do the same thing as Simmons. Pretty natural reaction to try and minimize the hit you'll take. Nothing dirty just preparing for a collision.

And more times than not you would get a foul. I didn't notice Simmons do it but you can't move your shoulder into the guy anymore than you may shift your hip into him.

 

[chuckb]

Again. You set a screen expecting contact. He got it.

No call in my book


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Woodard ran him over. This isn't football. Usedtobe is right. It's just like a block/charge call. The purpose of a screen is to force a defender to go around the screener in order to continue defending the other player. He's not blocking the player as in a football game. If there's a little contact, that's to be expected. If there's a lot of contact, it's a foul. This play pretty clearly was an example of a lot of contact.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Woodard ran him over. This isn't football. Usedtobe is right. It's just like a block/charge call. The purpose of a screen is to force a defender to go around the screener in order to continue defending the other player. He's not blocking the player as in a football game. If there's a little contact, that's to be expected. If there's a lot of contact, it's a foul. This play pretty clearly was an example of a lot of contact.

Meh, it was clearly unintentional contact. Players set screens all the time to create contact. Weak call that should have been a no call


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[Soonerinkc]

simmons got knocked over. If he stands his ground, no foul

 

[Soonerinkc]

Meh, it was clearly unintentional contact. Players set screens all the time to create contact. Weak call that should have been a no call


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not trying to be an ass, but have you ever coached, played or ref'd?

It was clearly a foul. A defender cannot run over a screen. The only way it isn't a foul is if Simmons didn't fall down. I'd say 95% of the time IF one of the two parties involved fall down there is a foul called...one way or the other.

 

[opsooner]

Ya; can't go through a screen like that. Has to be called with that much contact.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

not trying to be an ass, but have you ever coached, played or ref'd?



It was clearly a foul. A defender cannot run over a screen. The only way it isn't a foul is if Simmons didn't fall down. I'd say 95% of the time IF one of the two parties involved fall down there is a foul called...one way or the other.

So you can run over a screen if the screener doesn't fall down?

You see this contact ever game almost. Go watch an nba game and you see hard screens all the time but you rarely see a foul unless te defender intentionally runs through him


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[SoonerBounce13]

So in other words, the Person screening should just always fall down at contact?


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[SoonerBounce13]

I guess I can see why it was called, it's just weird to see a foul called for the screener accomplishing what he intended to do. He executed the screen perfectly. Jordan didn't see it coming. That's what you want when setting a screen.


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[usedtobe1]

Both Simmons and Woodard fell down on the play. Two Sooners helped Woodard to his feet, and he was shaking his head because it snapped his head back on the collision. Woodard fell a lot harder than Simmons did because he didn't see it coming. Simmons had both feet set and his 2 hands were protecting his family jewels. The screener is allowed to protect himself. By the way, it happened at the 5:18 mark.... I just re-reviewed it several times. Intent is not an issue. If they thought it was intentional it would have been a flagrant 1 or 2.

Woodard initiated the contact .... not Simmons. The defender cannot run over the screen. Period. A 190 pound player running full speed into the torso of a screener is not incidental contact. It was a very easy call.

 

[AdaSooner]

I guess I can see why it was called, it's just weird to see a foul called for the screener accomplishing what he intended to do. He executed the screen perfectly. Jordan didn't see it coming. That's what you want when setting a screen.


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Now we're getting somewhere. Simmons set the screen to free up his teammate for a shot. OU does the same thing. The difference is that the contact in this case was too severe to be viewed by the official as incidental, which is why a call was necessary.

If Jordan had seen it coming in time, he could have pulled up or sidestepped Simmons, and even if some contact was made, chances are it would not have been called.

Blind-side screens are sometimes the fault of a teammate who is taught to warn the player being screened. In all likelihood, the player who was guarding Simmons at the time was responsible for letting Jordan know about the screen. He didn't and the result was what we saw in last night's game. In that teammate's defense, maybe it happened to fast to give Jordan a warning.

 

[Northbase]

If I saw a guy running at me as I was setting a screen I'd do the same thing as Simmons. Pretty natural reaction to try and minimize the hit you'll take. Nothing dirty just preparing for a collision.

I agree. He was protecting himself. Wasn't dirty at all.

 

[Soonerinkc]

So in other words, the Person screening should just always fall down at contact?


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basically, yes. pro game and college are 2 different animals.

I'm just saying, IF Simmons had stood there without falling the refs MIGHT have "seen" a lean and called it illegal but I didn't see a lean. So, yes, it would have done it's job...

 

[campbest]

You see this contact ever game almost. Go watch an nba game and you see hard screens all the time but you rarely see a foul unless te defender intentionally runs through him

Different rules. How many "moving" screens are set in the NBA game? A ton, because they are legal.