Worst offense and coaching...

[Vinny78]

Deep Breath and relax. We have beat better and lost to worse already this season. Sometimes in a competition when the wheels fall off it is hard to get them back on before it gets ugly. Especially in a sport with this much emotion. It amazes me as a fan how quick the sooner nation seems belittle their team and coaches over a single performance. Have any of ever competed in athletics? Yes, we need work. Trust me when I say SC knows this and every player on OU's team. Sometimes or most of the time a good butt whipping is necessary to push the whole team to another level of effort and discipline. We know where they are now, let's see where they are at the end. BOOMER!!

It's not a "single" performance this is a few years of mediocrity - and I am not uptight or stressed just pointing out some facts about the situation. I used to go to a lot of games and now I find it hard to watch them on TV. Sherri is losing al that she built brick by brick and the bricks are coming down quicker now.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

It's not a "single" performance this is a few years of mediocrity - and I am not uptight or stressed just pointing out some facts about the situation. I used to go to a lot of games and now I find it hard to watch them on TV. Sherri is losing al that she built brick by brick and the bricks are coming down quicker now.

Did you watch the game?

Did anybody actually watch the game here and also watch prior games??

First of all, it was one game... Lets let that sink in.
I thought it was very apparent that we played completely out of character but maybe, I missed something? lol Were not a team that is going to shoot 25 percent and turn the ball over 25 times- and they aren't a team with 6 girls that shoot the three. It was a fluke. They literally missed 16 shots in a row coming into that game.... Give them credit- they played hard. But theres a good chance we will do the same thing to them when they come to our home court.

Vinny, stop with the firing nonsense. Its not gonna happen. She is an active HOF coach who has a team that was just ranked 14th w one 1 senior- and they will finish right around there as well. She literally took Oklahoma Women's basketball from the gutter and made it relevant, she's not going anywhere.

 

[35TangoTango]

Did you watch the game?

Did anybody actually watch the game here and also watch prior games??

First of all, it was one game... Lets let that sink in.
I thought it was very apparent that we played completely out of character but maybe, I missed something? lol Were not a team that is going to shoot 25 percent and turn the ball over 25 times- and they aren't a team with 6 girls that shoot the three. It was a fluke. They literally missed 16 shots in a row coming into that game.... Give them credit- they played hard. But theres a good chance we will do the same thing to them when they come to our home court.

Vinny, stop with the firing nonsense. Its not gonna happen. She is an active HOF coach who has a team that was just ranked 14th w one 1 senior- and they will finish right around there as well. She literally took Oklahoma Women's basketball from the gutter and made it relevant, she's not going anywhere.

+1 with the request to please not quote Vinny. Some of us have had him on ignore for years and don't even want to inadvertently read some of his hate mail.

On reflection, I am realizing that OSU is (1) a team that had just come off of a disastrous road loss of their own, and (2) beat Baylor at home. So it's not the end of the world nor a signal that we're going to tank the rest of the season.

 

[brokebacksooner]

Very disappointed in the effort yesterday by the team. But, OSU did beat Baylor at home so they aren't a terrible team. That said this OU team shouldn't lose to anyone by 30+

 

[inoref]

SC not gonna out X&O many coaches anyway..I said that for years. For what ever reasons she is unable to bring in top notch talent to the program. I don't know if it's she has too many fires going at once or the younger ladies just don't like her. But to pay her the kind of money she makes is stupid. I hope she turns it up but I believe it's not in her to do so.

 

[BanjoCharley]

...But to pay her the kind of money she makes is stupid.

So you would be satisfied if OU cut her salary?

 

[inoref]

So you would be satisfied if OU cut her salary?

Sometimes it's really hard to watch the women play. OU is far far behind the truly top notch schools (talent wise) and that falls on SC. If she can't recruit or coach then I say yes cut the salary or her. I don't mean to sound like I'm calling for her head but the direction of the program isn't moving up to the next level.
And doesn't to be anytime soon.

 

[sybarite]

Sometimes it's really hard to watch the women play. OU is far far behind the truly top notch schools (talent wise) and that falls on SC. If she can't recruit or coach then I say yes cut the salary or her. I don't mean to sound like I'm calling for her head but the direction of the program isn't moving up to the next level.
And doesn't to be anytime soon.

Would you answer some questions? Prior to Sherri, OU had been to one NCAA tournament, playing one game. OU has now made sixteen straight appearances.

Would this have occurred under another coach? What type of salary would it take to attract a coach who could do what Sherri has done to OU?

We have attracted McDonald's All-Americans from California, Illinois, and Nevada. Would anyone else have attracted that type of talent to OU?

On what would you base your answer?

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

SC not gonna out X&O many coaches anyway..I said that for years. For what ever reasons she is unable to bring in top notch talent to the program. I don't know if it's she has too many fires going at once or the younger ladies just don't like her. But to pay her the kind of money she makes is stupid. I hope she turns it up but I believe it's not in her to do so.

K. You say she can't "out XO people". But then she beats teams like Baylor, Texas- both of which having an abundance of ESPN top 10 recruits- so I guess I'm wondering how she could do that with such a lack of talent and zero knowledge regarding XO's.............

You can't. Its not possible. You would look like K-State or Kansas in this conference.

Also, Let gets something straight here. This isn't D1 football or basketball where there is millions of dollars tied into these high school kids. The recruiting evaluations for women's basketball isn't half as accurate as the recruiting evaluations for Men's basketball. Look at someone like Maddie who is as TALENTED as any player in the country. Do you really think she was the 30th ranked recruit in her class? Absolutely not. She was ranked like two spots higher than Kornet and we all saw the difference between the two there. How can that be possible if these things are accurate? Or how bout this, forget about the injuries to Maddie for a second and put her and Gabbi (who was the second rated point guard) up against the wall and tell me which player you would rather have 4 seasons with?? I Don't think that's even close.

Or do you think Nina Davis isn't a top 100 recruit? Or Dales was supposed to be a nobody, was that accurate? They do get people right, like Breanna Stewart- which was pretty blatant, but, the evaluations aren't even close to Football or Basketball- it can't be- there isn't nearly as much money behind it. Fact is, if you are not extremely active in AAU- then your probably going to be missed in the women's game, thats just how it is.

Im fairly certain SC realizes this, so she goes out and finds the people everyone misses- the Maddie Manning's or Vivi's or EJ's (who will be a stud)- puts the full court press on them to get a commitment then turns them in to players. Then she surrounds them with people that fit her system and bam, we beat Baylor AND Texas last year. Only team in the conference to do it. We were ranked 14th last week, and we have 1 senior who will be fairly easily replaced by her sophomore back up. This team hasn't even scratched the surface yet.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

OSU should have been the sole focus this week. Community service is great, but there is plenty of times for it during the offseason.

These girls are 20 years old and in shape. Lifting some boxes shouldn't cause this. Face it. We stunk. We got hammered.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Excuse me. Kornet was ranked 20, Maddie 34...........

Just go bk to that 2012 top 100 class. They got some people on there that made an impact, but what stands out to me the most is the 80 players on that list that I've never even heard of.......

then go to 2013, and explain that list to me. I see about 3 names on the entire list that I have heard about.

Go to this years list. They have fifty-two 5 star players, and twenty-one players with a 98 rating- compare that to the football list who has twelve 5 stars with a rating of 94 at the top. and declines down to a 91. You tell me which one did their due diligence? The women's list honestly looks like it was just thrown together- are we really going to keep putting that much stock into these things?

If Espn could pick a team, Tennessee and Uconn shouldn't have much of a difference- if you compare their recruiting track records-- Tennessee was just ranked 13 and lost to Arkansas......

I think I've made my point.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

You would look like K-State or Kansas in this conference.

Neither of them have #22 or #41.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

Neither of them have #22 or #41.

what do you mean by that KCR?

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

what do you mean by that KCR?

You wouldn't look like those teams if you had those two players like Sc does.

 

[Soonerbay]

I think the program is right where I expected it to be. Not surprised that the 2010 class went to FF...they had experience on getting there and DESIRE! They surprised me with the 2011 class...better than expected.

There is nothing new about the program. You cannot call Coach SC inconsistent. It appears that she is who she is. She has coached the same way with different levels of talent. But basically the same way. She has always sat down with her chin in her hand when they are getting blistered and when they are winning, she is orchestrating play after play, even when they are up by 20+. But let them get 20+ down and more often than not...she quits.

It was not a great recruiting job on her part when she has gotten top talent; the McD's players, etc. A few news articles/clips include quotes from SC indicating that she admits that she is not a great recruiter. For instance, Erica Arriaran had as much if not more to do with the Paris twins landing in Norman than OU's coaches. She referred them to Bo Overton, he started the process and Stacy Hansmeyer finished it. AT and AO followed them. DRob took a visit at the last minute...she was headed to Cal. It's not like she was on their list until AParis (based on a news story) told SC to take a look at her. The other winners that tried to followed them were basically turned away...SWiley Gatewood (Tennessee/Maryland...National Championship), Danesha Stallworth (Cal/Kentucky), D. Adams (TAM...National Championship), and numerous others. But I've said all of this before for those of you who are saying some of the same things in the last few years.

So, I've had to just suck it up and give up on thinking there's going to be more consistent GREAT years of exciting, competitive basketball with a team where it's clear that we have consistent winners. Doesn't mean they are not good players, but to compete at the top 10 level on a consistent basis you need experience, a winning attitude, skill, athleticism, high bb IQ and desire, desire, desire...never quit attitude. They'll be good and make it to the tournament every year, but that's it. And that's not difficult to do with the need for 64 teams. SURELY they'll be in the top 64 probably forever! This isn't your grandma's style of basketball anymore. Gotta be able to compete with the BEST.

I've accepted it...nothing new.

 

[Vinny78]

Did you watch the game?

Did anybody actually watch the game here and also watch prior games??

First of all, it was one game... Lets let that sink in.
I thought it was very apparent that we played completely out of character but maybe, I missed something? lol Were not a team that is going to shoot 25 percent and turn the ball over 25 times- and they aren't a team with 6 girls that shoot the three. It was a fluke. They literally missed 16 shots in a row coming into that game.... Give them credit- they played hard. But theres a good chance we will do the same thing to them when they come to our home court.

Vinny, stop with the firing nonsense. Its not gonna happen. She is an active HOF coach who has a team that was just ranked 14th w one 1 senior- and they will finish right around there as well. She literally took Oklahoma Women's basketball from the gutter and made it relevant, she's not going anywhere.

Ah all the homers and Lovers come out like they always do. Yep, I have been to OR watched every game since Sherri came. I Really doubt PU will finish anywhere close to 14th this year lol - hope I am wrong. I just think OU is a university that demands championships with the money they invest in coaches salaries and facilities and recruiting budgets. When you aren't doing that anymore I just think sometimes it better to go on down the road. Sherri HAS done nice things in the past but she has become comfortable and somewhat Lazy. Stoops won a national title and did 50 times what Sherri has done YET he got the news last year that things had slipped and he fired people and got after it. That's what I am saying - the homers in here will call that Hate talk but it is just real world and fact!! She may be a HOF coach but not for what she did the last 3 years - my work world and the sports world is and should be a what have you done for me lately world

 

[Vinny78]

+1 with the request to please not quote Vinny. Some of us have had him on ignore for years and don't even want to inadvertently read some of his hate mail.

On reflection, I am realizing that OSU is (1) a team that had just come off of a disastrous road loss of their own, and (2) beat Baylor at home. So it's not the end of the world nor a signal that we're going to tank the rest of the season.

Hahahaha on Tango aka HOMER lol. If FACT is hate them I guess I'm a hater. You and Syb and a few others need to wake up and quit living 5 or 10 years in the past. Again Tango, facts to you are hate because you are in a love affair with Sherri and what she did IN THE PAST. I Love what she HAS DONE BIT expect those things now and in the future - sorry your sweet little eyes had to see my post

 

[Sooner Cal]

Agree with the stand and shoot

I see it more like stand and watch.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

Ah all the homers and Lovers come out like they always do. Yep, I have been to OR watched every game since Sherri came. I Really doubt PU will finish anywhere close to 14th this year lol - hope I am wrong. I just think OU is a university that demands championships with the money they invest in coaches salaries and facilities and recruiting budgets. When you aren't doing that anymore I just think sometimes it better to go on down the road. Sherri HAS done nice things in the past but she has become comfortable and somewhat Lazy. Stoops won a national title and did 50 times what Sherri has done YET he got the news last year that things had slipped and he fired people and got after it. That's what I am saying - the homers in here will call that Hate talk but it is just real world and fact!! She may be a HOF coach but not for what she did the last 3 years - my work world and the sports world is and should be a what have you done for me lately world

She's done some great things throughout her career but it is about now and not back then. For whatever reason she doesn't get the athletes she needs to compete at the highest level. We have some nice players and they do some nice things but when push comes to shove we get shoved.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Would you answer some questions? Prior to Sherri, OU had been to one NCAA tournament, playing one game. OU has now made sixteen straight appearances.

Would this have occurred under another coach? What type of salary would it take to attract a coach who could do what Sherri has done to OU?

We have attracted McDonald's All-Americans from California, Illinois, and Nevada. Would anyone else have attracted that type of talent to OU?

On what would you base your answer?

I concur with everything you say about Sherri's past. However college sports has migrated to being like professional sports with the attitude of the buying public being what have you done for me lately.

OU last won a regular season conference championship in 2009. They last won a conference tournament championship in 2007. I think it is reasonable to expect that the Guys will win neither this year. Should that be the case OU will have won only three of the last twenty conference championships in WBB and none in the last seven seasons. Personally I do not think that is acceptable performance. I think the sunshine pumpers are justifying Sherri's performance on successes that are long past. Nothing in the last seven seasons indicate otherwise.

For certain the level of performance of the Guys does not warrant a coach with a $1 million salary nor is it indicative of what you would expect of a HOF coach.

It my personal opinion that her major shortcoming is talent. She does not get sufficient elite talent. I have personal inside knowledge (cannot expose them and keep them) that she often allows an elite player to be recruited for many months and virtually committed before deciding the recruit does not meet her goody two shoes profile.

This is a waste of staff recruiting resources, allows recruits to talk and text other recruits about how they were treated by the Sooners. Not good when a player thinks she is needed/wanted, is ready to commit and the rug is jerked from under her feet.

Unfortunately this is not a infrequent occurrence.