Wow, nothing in the scrimmage today?

[boksooner]

Regardless of how you feel about Stoops, Snyder is one of the greatest coaches in college football history, arguably the greatest to never win a title. Colin Klein was a three star who's next best offers were Utah and Air Force and now he's the prohibitive favorite to win the Heisman.

 

[bgrch1350]

Really? You've lost count? The answer is three.

And not one of those losses could be laid solely, or even primarily, at his feet. They were (like most losses) a team effort, with him taking some of the blame.

As for Blake being a savior next season, I hope you're right about that, but I fear you're letting yourself in for some major disappointment. All those "weapons" didn't bail out Landry last night, and Bell's going to be at the front end of a steep learning curve next season. He's thrown 16 or 17 passes in his OU career, completing half of them, and virtually all of those were in mop-up action. And in my opinion, it was Bell's entirely unforced fumble, if one to pick one play, that went the furthest in causing our loss to KSU. If I could reverse one offensive play in that game, it would undoubtedly be that.

The idea that Landry's been the biggest problem with the team over the past two or three seasons is, in my opinion, is questionable at best.

The K-St loss is completely at Jones's feet. He misses a wide open tight end and we have to settle for 3 pts. He fumbles the ball for a defensive touchdown. And if he could score in the redzone, Bell wouldn't even be in the game...so Bells fumble is on Jones as well. And his interception was just a horrible throw.

I've supported Jones for 3 years, but I'm tired of it. Besides one hit last night...Jones wasn't touched. He has all the time to throw and he can't get it in the endzone.

 

[WTSooner]

You obviously have no appreciation for what Snyder does at KANSAS STATE. One of the worst teams, historically, in college football. He brought them up, retired, they tanked, he came back, now they are #2 in the BCS and just drilling people.

All of this with entirely 2-3 star talent and a ton of junior college transfers.

What does any of that have to do with whether or not OU should adopt their offense?!?

And let's be accurate. He brought them up, left them after back to back seasons of 4-7 and 5-6, and lost 12 games his first two seasons back. He also coached a lot of seasons against Big 8/Big 12 powers that were down. OU, UT, and Nebraska all were at nearly all time lows during parts of his tenure.

Snyder is a good coach, no doubt. But that doesn't mean his offense is the way to go. None of the traditional powers run it. It's hard to recruit to. The top QB's around the country all want to throw the ball. The lineman want to pass block, and run block to an NFL scheme. No good receivers want to go there. And it probably hurts defensive recruiting, b/c none of the NFL-type defenders want to go and practice against an offense they will never see in the NFL every day.

I don't even know why I'm arguing this, b/c Bob isn't going to change this offense (much). That is 100% a given. He has stated that. He'll adopt some to personnel, but we're going to be similar to what we are now for a long time, scheme-wise.

The scheme/system isn't the problem. The problem is that we lost 3 potential oline starters before the season even started, and two reserves after that. The problem is that we had some bad apples at receiver the last couple of years, and Landry had to break in all new receivers this year b/c of those suspensions. Brown, Metoyer, Shepard, Saunders.....none of those guys were on campus last year. And Landry, as good as he is, has a couple of bad tendencies/habits that make him susceptible to bad plays. He doesn't move well. He doesn't get through reads well. And he doesn't throw the most accurate ball, comparatively speaking. It's really pretty amazing that Stoops and Heupel have got him playing as well as he has while at OU. He won't do well in the NFL, I know that. But he's been coached up, and they cover his warts pretty well, all things considered.

So yes, I expect our system to be fine. We need to get our offensive line depth/experience back up to where it was suppose to be. We've already improved the WR's, and we have enough youth that they should be solid for awhile. The question is, do we have a QB on campus that can throw it well enough next year to not have a drop off? I don't know. Bell isn't ready now, but maybe after being the #1 starting in January, he'll get there.

 

[BanjoCharley]

And if he could score in the redzone, Bell wouldn't even be in the game...so Bells fumble is on Jones as well.

LOL!

Using this logic, every one of Bell's TD's are on Jones, ...please.

 

[WTSooner]

The K-St loss is completely at Jones's feet. He misses a wide open tight end and we have to settle for 3 pts. He fumbles the ball for a defensive touchdown. And if he could score in the redzone, Bell wouldn't even be in the game...so Bells fumble is on Jones as well. And his interception was just a horrible throw.

I've supported Jones for 3 years, but I'm tired of it. Besides one hit last night...Jones wasn't touched. He has all the time to throw and he can't get it in the endzone.

Huh?

We go to bell b/c we can't run it in the redzone. That is on the oline, not Jones.

And as for last night, again, why put it all on Jones? He didn't hold anybody. He didn't drop any passes. He didn't miss the PI call that caused a turnover. He completed nearly 40 passes. That is nearly 40 chances are WR's had to make plays, and they couldn't. I can't think of a single broken tackle, and very few "missed" tackles. All Jones can do is throw the ball to the guys that are open. He did that.

 

[skyvue]

LOL!

Using this logic, every one of Bell's TD's are on Jones, ...please.

In the minds of many of the Landry bashers, everything's on Jones.

On the play before Bell's fumble, Williams ran for 6 yards. I was yelling at the screen when they brought Bell in -- it was just wasn't necessary. We were moving the ball, and I felt it was a risk to bring him in cold.

Turns out I was right, but I'm not bragging. I'm wrong plenty while watching OU games.

And I'm not knocking Bell, but I've yet to see anything from him that makes me think he's going to come roaring out of the gate next season. I dearly hope I'm wrong.

 

[WTSooner]

And I'm not knocking Bell, but I've yet to see anything from him that makes me think he's going to come roaring out of the gate next season. I dearly hope I'm wrong.

Agreed. I'm REALLY curious to see how that turns out. I'm hopeful that if he gets the majority of the work this spring/summer, he can make up a bunch of ground.

 

[cvangild]

I think Snyder is a tremendous coach. But if some of you think we would be way better off running his "system" on offense...you're insane. They don't have the talent at the skill positions, so they are forced to run something like that.

BTW, how many NC's has Snyder played in??? Stoops has been to 4.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

X-Box and PS3 coaches are always trying to find a reason to replace QB#12 96 rating, with QB #10 91 rating. This isn't EA Sports....... Do you guys really not realize how mickey mouse OUr program would be if Stoops subscribed to that type of substituting/pulling players?????

How do you explain to your Sr's, pulling a player in the middle of the season, with alot left to accomplish, because you want to early audition his replacement?? This is D-1 athletics, not Online Dynasty mode.......

I bet some of you are the guys who post in the football game threads, stuff like, " why doesn't Stoops change the offense at the half, to the wishbone???" Faaarrrr Stoops!!!!!! LOL.

 

[NickZepp]

I think Snyder is a tremendous coach. But if some of you think we would be way better off running his "system" on offense...you're insane. They don't have the talent at the skill positions, so they are forced to run something like that.

BTW, how many NC's has Snyder played in??? Stoops has been to 4.

We pretty much had 3 different systems.

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[DenverSooner]

OU lost 2 starting linemen this year and then lost a third key player on the line. That is probably the biggest problem for this team. Those losses are amplified by the fact that OU returned 0 tight ends.

Honestly, I don't know enough about football to run the team but if I could change anything I would have 3-4 more offensive linemen on scholarship. I also think I would really push for walk-ons on both sides of the line. To me everything in football starts with the line. The team that controls the line of scrimmage wins. I think I would give out 5 OL scholarships every single year.

 

[NickZepp]

We need to load up on LBs Dts and Ol but it seems like we recruit Wrs dbs rbs, and QBs

 

[mikeareese]

Blake Bell might not be the better passer right now. Although it will be nice to have a mobile QB when pass protection breaks down. I do think he could be a Tebow type player. No doubt OU will put in some QB run next year. I do like what M Stoops is doing on defense. I think the guy hit on the nail. OU plays to many spread offenses in the Big 12. Not enough physical teams.

 

[DenverSooner]

Blake Bell might not be the better passer right now. Although it will be nice to have a mobile QB when pass protection breaks down. I do think he could be a Tebow type player. No doubt OU will put in some QB run next year. I do like what M Stoops is doing on defense. I think the guy hit on the nail. OU plays to many spread offenses in the Big 12. Not enough physical teams.

Only if OU will run the QB. If OU doesn't run the QB it really doesn't matter how mobile he is.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Only if OU will run the QB. If OU doesn't run the QB it really doesn't matter how mobile he is.

not necessarily true. Landry sucks at throwing when he has to escape the pocket. Bell's mobility will help when a play breaks down.

But I think we will have a similar offense next year, we will just not have to bring in a different QB on 3rd and short.

 

[WTSooner]

X-Box and PS3 coaches are always trying to find a reason to replace QB#12 96 rating, with QB #10 91 rating. This isn't EA Sports....... Do you guys really not realize how mickey mouse OUr program would be if Stoops subscribed to that type of substituting/pulling players?????

How do you explain to your Sr's, pulling a player in the middle of the season, with alot left to accomplish, because you want to early audition his replacement?? This is D-1 athletics, not Online Dynasty mode.......

I bet some of you are the guys who post in the football game threads, stuff like, " why doesn't Stoops change the offense at the half, to the wishbone???" Faaarrrr Stoops!!!!!! LOL.

:clap

Loyalty means something in college sports. This isn't a business. I guarantee it would start hurting recruiting if we started sitting seniors once we lost 2 games. You just can't do that. Hate on Landry all you want, he has EARNED the right to finish this season as our starting QB.

 

[WTSooner]

We need to load up on LBs Dts and Ol but it seems like we recruit Wrs dbs rbs, and QBs

Seriously? At the beginning of the season, OU had the same number of scholarship OL that UT and OSU did. Just b/c we had a big skill position class last year, doesn't mean we didn't have the right amount of OL on scholarship. We did. And then 2 got hurt. One didn't qualify. Another left school. And I think we lost one more to something too.

And while we do need an upgrade in talent at DT and LB, our problem isn't a shortage of numbers.

 

[WTSooner]

not necessarily true. Landry sucks at throwing when he has to escape the pocket. Bell's mobility will help when a play breaks down.

As long as HE can throw on the run, or out of the pocket. If not, it won't much matter.

 

[campbest]

Notre Dame put on one of the better tackling performances I have seen in a while. If you come into Owen Field have one penalty for five yards and zero turnovers, you deserve to win.

Still believe OU is a top ten team, problem is there are actually quite a few contenders this year. Crazy that Oregon and KState were supposed to play this year until Purple Kansas canceled.

 

[stoops4pres]

Really? You've lost count? The answer is three.

And not one of those losses could be laid solely, or even primarily, at his feet. They were (like most losses) a team effort, with him taking some of the blame.

As for Blake being a savior next season, I hope you're right about that, but I fear you're letting yourself in for some major disappointment. All those "weapons" didn't bail out Landry last night, and Bell's going to be at the front end of a steep learning curve next season. He's thrown 16 or 17 passes in his OU career, completing half of them, and virtually all of those were in mop-up action. And in my opinion, it was Bell's entirely unforced fumble, if one to pick one play, that went the furthest in causing our loss to KSU. If I could reverse one offensive play in that game, it would undoubtedly be that.

The idea that Landry's been the biggest problem with the team over the past two or three seasons is, in my opinion, is questionable at best.

Other than saying Landry wasn't primarily to blame for the loss vs. K-State (he was, IMO), I completely agree with this. And I've been a Landry supporter/apologist ever since his freshman year, when a lot of OU fans began to seemingly fault him because he hasn't lived up to the nearly-impossible standard Bradford laid out for him.

Landry played great vs. Tech last season, and played very well Saturday night. He was far from the reason why OU lost both of those games. And even the K-State game was the only bad game he's played this season. In fact, OSU last year was the only bad game he played that season, too.