Ya know...

[coolm]

How has "mediocrity" set in?

We're not great this year. We knew we wouldn't be great this year. There's no reason to kick it around for more than the 4 months that we already have.

It looks like coach pulled this group together and that bodes well for next year. That's all we're saying.

 

[61sooner]

One more impact player maybe the CBI
Two more impact players NIT
Two HM or 3rd team AAs NCAA
For this group to hit the top 4 of 10 those above OU will have to have a serious dropoff in talent.
Can OU be consistent enough to beat out either A & M, Baylor, or K-State for the 4th spot behind Tex., KU, MU. ?
Figure OU can be ahead of Tex Tech, I-State and OSU.

 

[CMSOONER]

Figure OU can be ahead of Tex Tech, I-State and OSU.

and NEB.

 

[Sooner Quick]

Cade is selfish and everyone wants to call it leadership.

Seriously? Cade is the most unselfish player on the team! Coach asks a lot of him so of course he is going to be a go to guy but he is far from selfish.

 

[Max Power]

and NEB.

he was talking about next year and Neb will be in the "Big 10 but we have 12 conference"

 

[HeismanWatch]

How has "mediocrity" set in?

We're not great this year. We knew we wouldn't be great this year. There's no reason to kick it around for more than the 4 months that we already have.

It looks like coach pulled this group together and that bodes well for next year. That's all we're saying.

OU isn't great as you stated, and they aren't even good.

OU has a LOOOONG ROAD to return to greatness.

 

[Sawyer]

If OU can add a reliable point guard, a post contributor and another impact player, they'll be in position to potentially make some noise in the Big 12 next year. I'd expect MU, UT and kansas to be the top three (no particular order at this point), with A&M and Baylor in contention for 4/5. Outside of those five, though, I think the rest is anyone's guess.

 

[luckyc1423]

If OU can add a reliable point guard, a post contributor and another impact player, they'll be in position to potentially make some noise in the Big 12 next year. I'd expect MU, UT and kansas to be the top three (no particular order at this point), with A&M and Baylor in contention for 4/5. Outside of those five, though, I think the rest is anyone's guess.

This is just so silly. I have seen several people make a similar post to this.

Every team would be good next year if they added those three players!!

As far as I know we are not in on any pg that can come in and be better then what we have. I'm not a Blair fan but if you sign Cesar he is at minimum a half a year of div 1 play away from being better than Blair.

Who knows what post players can come in and do anything

We will only have 1 of the 3 next year and that person is osby so unless osby is a game changer like Blake griffin there is no way we are making the dance

 

[Section31]

This is just so silly. I have seen several people make a similar post to this.

Every team would be good next year if they added those three players!!

As far as I know we are not in on any pg that can come in and be better then what we have. I'm not a Blair fan but if you sign Cesar he is at minimum a half a year of div 1 play away from being better than Blair.

Who knows what post players can come in and do anything

We will only have 1 of the 3 next year and that person is osby so unless osby is a game changer like Blake griffin there is no way we are making the dance

I think its fair to say, an existing player COULD be the impact player - Tyler Neal???

In fact, Newell COULD be the backup PG we need if he improves.

I don't think the 3 players listed NEED to be new players.

 

[DenverSooner]

If OU can add a reliable point guard, a post contributor and another impact player, they'll be in position to potentially make some noise in the Big 12 next year. I'd expect MU, UT and kansas to be the top three (no particular order at this point), with A&M and Baylor in contention for 4/5. Outside of those five, though, I think the rest is anyone's guess.

Are you assuming Perry Jones returns to Baylor? If he leaves, I don't see Baylor being a top 5 team and I think he leaves.

 

[soonernutt]

win or lose...talent or not a lot....we're actually not THAT bad now. This team just needs exp and a talent infusion. I actually like a lot of the kids we have.

I see no reason that we can't compete for top 4 in the conference next year and an NCAA bid.

agreed.

We don't have enough of them right now, but we do have some quality players. We have zero depth, and are forced to play an unbalanced lineup. It kills us.

Those problems should be less of an issue next season.

And I like this team's heart. They have earned everything they've gotten. I'll be disgusted with last year's squad for a very long time, but I have alot of respect for what our current team is doing on the court. They have a very low ceiling because of the new faces, youth, and lack of quality bench players, but they are fighting.

 

[coolm]

...[a]nd I like this team's heart. They have earned everything they've gotten. I'll be disgusted with last year's squad for a very long time, but I have alot of respect for what our current team is doing on the court. They have a very low ceiling because of the new faces, youth, and lack of quality bench players, but they are fighting.

agreed.

When all is said and done with this season for OU men's basketball I will have a positive view of the program (provided they keep playing this way).

It's not always just about the wins and losses. A team can make SIGNIFICANT strides and still lose games ... especially in a league like this.

What I will expect is for this to be built upon next year. No backsliding...not another "learning curve" season...but a year moving forward. If we are doing that then, IMO, we'll be competing for 4th place and an ncaa spot.

 

[Section31]

agreed.

When all is said and done with this season for OU men's basketball I will have a positive view of the program (provided they keep playing this way).

It's not always just about the wins and losses. A team can make SIGNIFICANT strides and still lose games ... especially in a league like this.

What I will expect is for this to be built upon next year. No backsliding...not another "learning curve" season...but a year moving forward. If we are doing that then, IMO, we'll be competing for 4th place and an ncaa spot.

Which bring up sort of OT questions. Does the Big XII (-II) STILL expect to get 6 teams in each year? What's the number of conference wins that "automatically" gets a "Big XII" team into the dance from next year going forward.

 

[bgrch1350]

If OU can add a reliable point guard, a post contributor and another impact player, they'll be in position to potentially make some noise in the Big 12 next year. I'd expect MU, UT and kansas to be the top three (no particular order at this point), with A&M and Baylor in contention for 4/5. Outside of those five, though, I think the rest is anyone's guess.

Mizzou will defiantly be at the top
Tex could have a major...major drop off next year if Hamilton Joseph and Thompson leave. If 2 of those 3 stay...they still won't be as good as they are right now. If just 1 stays, I don't see them being some unbeatable team.
KU is in the same boat as Tex. They will have talent but how good will they be. What if one or both of the twins leave...and Selby as well?
Baylor is struggling this year w/o Carter and Udoh...how they going to do w/ Dunn and Jones gone? Theres no way that they will be better next year than this year.
aTm will be good...about where they always are...right around the 4-6 range.
OSU cannot be better next year w/o Moses and Pilgrim...especially if they lose Williams and Johnson doesn't come there.
K-ST is heading down the tubes.
ISU will be better w/ all of their transfers eligible to play.

Besides Mizzou who will be returning everyone...everyone else will not be better than they are this year unless by some miracle none of the top players leave for the draft.

OU can make a run for 2nd place in the big 12.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

KU is in the same boat as Tex. They will have talent but how good will they be. What if one or both of the twins leave...and Selby as well?

I haven't thought this a couple of times through the years. I aslways tell myself that next year kansas won't be as good b/c they are losing a lot of talent. yet somehow, they always reload.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Which bring up sort of OT questions. Does the Big XII (-II) STILL expect to get 6 teams in each year? What's the number of conference wins that "automatically" gets a "Big XII" team into the dance from next year going forward.

Berry Tramel still thinks we get 6, but I don't see how.

I think aTm gets in, but they still have to travel to Lawrence, Waco, and Stillwater. They could easily end up in 3rd place at 9-7.

Mizzou has to go to Baylor, KSU, and gets KU at home. They could still go 8-8 or probably 9-7.

Baylor has to go Mizzou and OSU, and they could end up at 9-7.

So, we could have 1 team at 16-0 or 15-1 (Texas) and KU at 15-1 or 14-2. Then 3 teams tied for 3rd at 9-7 and a cluster of teams separated by 1 or 2 wins (CU, NU, Tech, OU, OSU, and KSU) with ISU bringing up the rear at 1-15.

I've never seen the conference like this. Other than KU and Texas, it's really just a bunch of mediocre teams and one really bad team, which thankfully isn't us.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I haven't thought this a couple of times through the years. I aslways tell myself that next year kansas won't be as good b/c they are losing a lot of talent. yet somehow, they always reload.

KU has a lot of talent and more on the way. I am past the point of expecting them to have a subpar year because Bill is too good of a coach.

It's amazing to think back to under Williams when KU had a lot of years when they just weren't very good. From 99-01 come to mind immediately. They were very marginal in those 3 years. And, once Bill graduated all of Williams recruits, his program has been much tougher.

 

[bgrch1350]

I haven't thought this a couple of times through the years. I aslways tell myself that next year kansas won't be as good b/c they are losing a lot of talent. yet somehow, they always reload.

There still going to be pretty good. They have guys like Withey, Releford, and Johnson who will be much better. But Self hasn't done a good job recruiting this year and even if they get some of the remaining top players...they just won't be as good...but they still will be good. Now if they get the twins and selby back then thats a whole new ball game.

But their success for next year depends on who returns and who leaves. If they get everyone back...they should be better than Mizzou.

 

[Section31]

There still going to be pretty good. They have guys like Withey, Releford, and Johnson who will be much better. But Self hasn't done a good job recruiting this year and even if they get some of the remaining top players...they just won't be as good...but they still will be good. Now if they get the twins and selby back then thats a whole new ball game.

But their success for next year depends on who returns and who leaves. If they get everyone back...they should be better than Mizzou.

Let's not forget...KU also has to play home and homes with all the "south" teams, which in the past would've, more than likely, have added a few blemishes to their record.

 

[HeismanWatch]

agreed.

When all is said and done with this season for OU men's basketball I will have a positive view of the program (provided they keep playing this way).

It's not always just about the wins and losses. A team can make SIGNIFICANT strides and still lose games ... especially in a league like this.

What I will expect is for this to be built upon next year. No backsliding...not another "learning curve" season...but a year moving forward. If we are doing that then, IMO, we'll be competing for 4th place and an ncaa spot.

So, you gave Capel a couple of Mulligans in 2009-2010 and 2010-2011.

When are you going to count Ws and Ls at OU again?

Just curious.