126-92

[BigTime]

and 9 of the last 14.

That's all.

 

[Hollisp]

and 9 of the last 14.

That's all.

 

[colston15]

Not bad for a football school playing a basketball school.

 

[BigTime]

Not bad for a football school playing a basketball school.

Not bad at all.

 

[Max Power]

its ok i guess... BTW since we know have rivalry stats up, whats the over/under on number of hours it takes for a poke to bring up wrestling?

 

[DenverSooner]

This game is something coach Capel has excelled at. I hope he continues that trend.

 

[MarnePatch]

And that series lead has been built in my lifetime, not back in the 1920's like little brother likes to believe.

 

[propoke]

Maybe we could do a little recent history OSU 3-1 in the last 4 and 19-17 in the last 36. None of this really matters much. We will see who gets one more on Saturday.

 

[propoke]

Or lets talk stats that really matter. OSU tied for 7th most National Titles, 10th most Final Fours, 9th most Final Four wins.

No one cares what happens in the regular season. The Tournament is what it's all about.

 

[Soonerman]

Well, our team might as well not go up to the ole hellhole. With that kind of history working for the sheephumpers, the game is already in the books.

 

[DenverSooner]

Yes, we are all aware that OSU has not won a game in the Final Four since the 1940s but did win some games back then. We also know that OU went to the first final four. What happened when our grandparents were children has little interest to most of us but if it is where you get your self esteem then by all means keep living in the past.

 

[OULad]

I only count post WWII for football, and I only count when the NCAA tournament became bigger than the NIT, around 1960. Any thing before that in football or basketball really doesnt compare well with modern times.

 

[jrich02]

Maybe we could do a little recent history OSU 3-1 in the last 4 and 19-17 in the last 36. None of this really matters much. We will see who gets one more on Saturday.

Choosing the last 4 is really weird, that means you're counting all 3 of the games from last year but only 1 of the 3 from 2 years ago. Oh yeah, I know why you're not counting all 6 games played the last 2 years because ou won the 2 you left out. The series is 3-3 over the last 2 years, of course I could play your game and only count the regular season games and say ou has won 3 of the last 4.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

Or lets talk stats that really matter. OSU tied for 7th most National Titles, 10th most Final Fours, 9th most Final Four wins.

No one cares what happens in the regular season. The Tournament is what it's all about.

Championships built on cowards. The Coward State University/

 

[colston15]

Maybe we could do a little recent history OSU 3-1 in the last 4 and 19-17 in the last 36. None of this really matters much. We will see who gets one more on Saturday.

Oklahoma St. will only be behind by 33 games in the overall series if they win. Again, that's not bad for a basketball school playing a football school.

 

[propoke]

Choosing the last 4 is really weird, that means you're counting all 3 of the games from last year but only 1 of the 3 from 2 years ago. Oh yeah, I know why you're not counting all 6 games played the last 2 years because ou won the 2 you left out. The series is 3-3 over the last 2 years, of course I could play your game and only count the regular season games and say ou has won 3 of the last 4.

This is the same logic the OP used. If he would have gone back one more year OSU won 2. The point I was trying make is you can twist the record a lot of ways to fit your agenda. The fact is both teams have been pretty close the last 20 years.

 

[colston15]

This is the same logic the OP used. If he would have gone back one more year OSU won 2. The point I was trying make is you can twist the record a lot of ways to fit your agenda. The fact is both teams have been pretty close the last 20 years.

OU 126 OSU 92

No twisted record there. Just plain, old, vanilla facts.

I get so tired of hearing about the "basketball school" in Stillwater.

 

[BigTime]

Or lets talk stats that really matter. OSU tied for 7th most National Titles, 10th most Final Fours, 9th most Final Four wins.

No one cares what happens in the regular season. The Tournament is what it's all about.

Let's talk stats. I love stats. Stats don't lie.

Here is a nice little read for you, pokey. It's updated through last year on most things (haven't got around to updating everything):

This is a head to head comparison looking at OU and OSU basketball. It was compiled using Soonersports.com, OkState.com, and Big12Sports.com. The point of this thread is to show just how biased the local media has been in favoring the Oklahoma State basketball program, and to educate both OU and OSU fans alike on how OU's program has a slight edge in tradition.
OU basketball vs. OSU basketball: a statistical analysis since the inception of the Big 8.

The Big 8, as we knew it, came into being for the 1958-59 season. The name "Big 8" wasn't officially adopted until the 1964 season. From 1958-59 through 1964, the conference had been known as the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Oklahoma State was actually in the Missouri Valley Conference from 1928-1958.

So, these statistics are from the 1958-59 season to the last completed season (07-08). The statistics were compiled using a variety of sources, including soonerstats.com, big12sports.com, and okstate.com.

Oklahoma State
Total win/loss record: 779-628, .554
NCAA tournament appearances: 16
Final 4 appearances: 2
Title game appearances: 0
NIT appearances: 5
Conference titles: 2 big 8 (1 shared), 1 big 12
Conference tournament titles: 2 big 8, 2 big 12

Oklahoma
Total win/loss record: 920-540, .630
NCAA tournament appearances: 23
Final 4 appearances: 2
Title game appearances: 1
NIT appearances: 7
Conference titles: 5 big 8, 1 big 12 (shared)
Conference tournament titles: 4 big 8, 3 big 12

Overall head to head since 58-59

Oklahoma 64, Oklahoma State 46

In the 51 seasons (including this year) since OSU joined the Big-8, OU has a better conference record 36 times, OSU 11, 4 the same.

Since the inception of the Big 12 conference, OSU has only finished ahead of OU in the conferences win/loss record two (2) times:
96-97 OU 9-7 OSU 7-9
97-98 OU 11-5 OSU 11-5
98-99 OU 11-5 OSU 10-6
99-00 OU 12-4 OSU 12-4
00-01 OU 12-4 OSU 10-6
01-02 OU 13-3 OSU 10-6
02-03 OU 12-4 OSU 10-6
03-04 OU 8-8 OSU 14-2
04-05 OU 12-4 OSU 11-5
05-06 OU 11-5 OSU 6-10
06-07 OU 6-10 OSU 6-10
07-08 OU 9-7 OSU 7-9
08-09 OU 13-3 OSU 9-7
09-10 OU 4-12 OSU better

So, you want to go back all-time? That is fine with me. All-Time Stats:

So OU has a winning record against oswho in six of 10 decades to date (7 of 11 if you count the 1900s separately). Three of oswho's four winning decades against OU came under a single coach, Henry Iba.

OU: All Time Record 1,468-936 (.611) OSU: 1452-1018 (.588).
126 Bedlam Wins 89
10 winning coaches 6
21 different All-Americans 18
22 Conference Championships 17
10/11 winning records against the Big 12 5/11
34 1000 point scorers 30
8 Oylmpic Appearences ?
40 NBA Draft Selections 32
26 NCAA appearences 24
32 Total Tournament appearences 31
157 100 point games 39
51 game home win streak 46
OU has spent more weeks in the AP Top 25 poll than OSU.
OU has had more winning seasons than OSU.
OU has a better all time home winning percentage than OSU.
OU has made it to 4 final fours (2 Championship games)

OSU (or Oklahoma A&M as it was called back then) has won two national championships ('45 and '46) in basketball. This is a stat that simply cannot be ignored, and really the main reason why the Cowboys are even in the ballpark with Oklahoma in terms of basketball program comparisons. I will not take anything away from their accomplishments but consider this:

1. These championships happened 62 and 63 years ago. Most of us on this board were not even born when the Cowboys won the championship. Before you bombard me with the 50's football championships, at least we have won one in the new millennium (2000), and, this is about basketball, not football.

2. The road to the winning the championship was a lot less meddlesome back in the old A&M days. The Aggies only had to win three (3) games to be crowned the champion unlike the grueling 6 games of the modern era. That is certainly not the Cowboy's fault, but should at least be mentioned. Four of OSU's six final fours were obtained via this three game system. Note: two of Oklahoma's 4 were also obtained this way. Eight of Oklahoma State's eleven Elite 8 appearances were accomplished by only having to win two games in the tournament! Note: 3 of OU's 8 Elite 8 appearances were won in this fashion.

3. The good old NIT was still a major player during this time. It was an era in which the NCAA was battling for dominance. While it is debatable which tournament ran supreme during these championships, one thing is for sure, not all the good teams were playing in the NCAA tournament. Could that of impacted OSU's two victories? Who knows? But again, worth mentioning.

4. All-American Bob Kurland was a game changing center for the pokes. There was no goal tending back then, so the big 7 footer could just sit back and guard the goal until the cows came home. It was certainly within the rules of the day, but it obviously gave the Cowboys a big advantage that they wouldn't have had a few years later (because of Kurland).

If OSU fans really want to use all of that success from the Iba days as the main basis of claiming superiority over Oklahoma (despite all the facts that I have presented in this comparison) then I think they might be living in the past just a tad! If I were them, then I would certainly want something more recent to hang my hat on in this debate.

In the end both programs are top 25 programs but I think anyone who looks at the big picture can see that OU is better (slight but definite). I am glad that I am a Sooner basketball fan.

 

[BigTime]

OU 126 OSU 92

No twisted record there. Just plain, old, vanilla facts.

I get so tired of hearing about the "basketball school" in Stillwater.

No kidding. I lay out the entire shooting match for the guy in the thread title and he accuses me of "twisting the record". Silly aggie.

 

[stoops4pres]

Good work BigTime. Way to put everything in perspective.
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