Another kruger collapse

[jerry]

Capel being able to bring in talent is one of the biggest misnomers I've ever heard. Yeah, he could bring in talent, like Nick Thompson? Omar Leary? Carl Blair? The highly rated guys he did bring in were backed off of by major programs. See Warren, TMG, Gallon.... And we all know Blake came because of Taylor. Name one player without OU ties, with good character, etc who Capel beat out any other at least decent named programs for. Now, if becoming pals with top recruits only to finish in fifth or sixth place for them qualifies as being a great recruiter, then heck yeah he's just fantastic!

Good post!!

 

[152219]

Any who disagrees that the OU program is better now than 2 years ago needs their head examined

 

[Big Old Booger]

Capel being able to bring in talent is one of the biggest misnomers I've ever heard. Yeah, he could bring in talent, like Nick Thompson? Omar Leary? Carl Blair? The highly rated guys he did bring in were backed off of by major programs. See Warren, TMG, Gallon.... And we all know Blake came because of Taylor. Name one player without OU ties, with good character, etc who Capel beat out any other at least decent named programs for. Now, if becoming pals with top recruits only to finish in fifth or sixth place for them qualifies as being a great recruiter, then heck yeah he's just fantastic!

This.

 

[luckyc1423]

Capel being able to bring in talent is one of the biggest misnomers I've ever heard. Yeah, he could bring in talent, like Nick Thompson? Omar Leary? Carl Blair? The highly rated guys he did bring in were backed off of by major programs. See Warren, TMG, Gallon.... And we all know Blake came because of Taylor. Name one player without OU ties, with good character, etc who Capel beat out any other at least decent named programs for. Now, if becoming pals with top recruits only to finish in fifth or sixth place for them qualifies as being a great recruiter, then heck yeah he's just fantastic!

Capel  1) Willie Warren, 2) Tony Neysmith, 3) Blake Griffin, 4) Steven Pledger, 5) TMG, 6) Tiny Gallon, 7) Cameron Clark, 8) Calvin Newell, 9) Romero Osby, 10) (The transfer that played with blake griffin only for one spring I cant remember his name)

To date, capel brought in much better talent. I said that he is not a good mentor or x’s and o’s so you had guys transfer or never develop. But he had no problem bringing in raw talent.

 

[Big Old Booger]

And I would venture to guess you would have never guessed OU would be down to TCU by 25 points in the second half last week as well

You are right, I never would have guessed that. However, TCU is greatly improved, they are still bad, but they are much better now than they were 20 games ago. I think Trent Johnson is going to make them a solid big 12 program. I wouldn't be surprised to see them start taking recruits from Baylor. They will get to respectability before Tech.

 

[152219]

You are right, I never would have guessed that. However, TCU is greatly improved, they are still bad, but they are much better now than they were 20 games ago. I think Trent Johnson is going to make them a solid big 12 program. I wouldn't be surprised to see them start taking recruits from Baylor. They will get to respectability before Tech.

Improved, yes.

But OU losing a double digit lead to OSU in the last 5 minutes, a 22 point lead to Texas with 8 minutes to go, losing to TCU and being down by 25 points in the 2nd half, and losing a 12 point lead to ISU with 8 minutes to go and being outscored 25-6 in those last 8 minutes collectively cannot be overlooked or downplayed IMO. I am still happy about the overall direction of the program but not too pleased about the last 3 weeks and IMO no one should be even if they didn't expect much from this team before the season. And I don't understand blaming Capel for the ending of this season by some posters. Last year absolutely, this year not as much unless your argument was that OU is stuck with young guards because of Capel but that isn't the sole reason OU blew those 4 winnable games

 

[Big Old Booger]

Capel 1) Willie Warren, 2) Tony Neysmith, 3) Blake Griffin, 4) Steven Pledger, 5) TMG, 6) Tiny Gallon, 7) Cameron Clark, 8) Calvin Newell, 9) Romero Osby, 10) (The transfer that played with blake griffin only for one spring I cant remember his name)

To date, capel brought in much better talent. I said that he is not a good mentor or x’s and o’s so you had guys transfer or never develop. But he had no problem bringing in raw talent.

Warren: head case, bad locker room guy, played at multiple high schools, slept with a teammates girlfriend during our elite 8 season.
Neysmith: decent player, good defensive player, mediocre offensive game, transferred to Auburn which is equivalent to TCU and averaged 4 points per game.
Griffin: wouldn't have come to OU if Sampson hadn't recruited his older brother who was only recruited by OU and a number of mid-majors. Sampson knew he had to get Taylor to have a chance with Blake.
Pledger: great shooter but when not hitting disappears from games, however would have been better if he had played for Kruger for 4 years.
TMG: bad locker room guy, not a team player, not recruited by other good programs due to off court issues
Tiny: paid him money to come here PROBATION
Cam Clark: not who we thought he was, but has become a solid player, not a starter, under Kruger. Limited offensive game for his size. Too small for a 4 not talented enough to be a 3.
Newell: good offensive player and could play solid defense but had inflated view of himself. Left team in the middle of the season because he wasn't starting.
Osby: solid player but much better now than he was when Capel left.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Improved, yes.

But OU losing a double digit lead to OSU in the last 5 minutes, a 22 point lead to Texas with 8 minutes to go, losing to TCU and being down by 25 points in the 2nd half, and losing a 12 point lead to ISU with 8 minutes to go and being outscored 25-6 in those last 8 minutes collectively cannot be overlooked or downplayed IMO. I am still happy about the overall direction of the program but not too pleased about the last 3 weeks and IMO no one should be even if they didn't expect much from this team before the season. And I don't understand blaming Capel for the ending of this season by some posters. Last year absolutely, this year not as much unless your argument was that OU is stuck with young guards because of Capel but that isn't the sole reason OU blew those 4 winnable games

I'm not anymore troubled by those games than I was the 1999 football season and look how that turned out.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Capel 1) Willie Warren, 2) Tony Neysmith, 3) Blake Griffin, 4) Steven Pledger, 5) TMG, 6) Tiny Gallon, 7) Cameron Clark, 8) Calvin Newell, 9) Romero Osby, 10) (The transfer that played with blake griffin only for one spring I cant remember his name)

To date, capel brought in much better talent. I said that he is not a good mentor or x’s and o’s so you had guys transfer or never develop. But he had no problem bringing in raw talent.

One more thing...Capel had a player equal to Pledger right here in Oklahoma and he didn't recruit him. Tyrus McGee is as good as Pledger so brag all you want about Capel recruiting Pledger but he passed over a solid player, who went to play for a conference foe for Pledger.

 

[152219]

Warren: head case, bad locker room guy, played at multiple high schools, slept with a teammates girlfriend during our elite 8 season.
Neysmith: decent player, good defensive player, mediocre offensive game, transferred to Auburn which is equivalent to TCU and averaged 4 points per game.
Griffin: wouldn't have come to OU if Sampson hadn't recruited his older brother who was only recruited by OU and a number of mid-majors. Sampson knew he had to get Taylor to have a chance with Blake.
Pledger: great shooter but when not hitting disappears from games, however would have been better if he had played for Kruger for 4 years.
TMG: bad locker room guy, not a team player, not recruited by other good programs due to off court issues
Tiny: paid him money to come here PROBATION
Cam Clark: not who we thought he was, but has become a solid player, not a starter, under Kruger. Limited offensive game for his size. Too small for a 4 not talented enough to be a 3.
Newell: good offensive player and could play solid defense but had inflated view of himself. Left team in the middle of the season because he wasn't starting.
Osby: solid player but much better now than he was when Capel left.

We have no idea about what would have happened with Griffin if Capel hadn't been hired. There were rumblings that Tyler was thinking about transferring if Sampson had still been the coach. As for the validity of these rumblings, who knows. But, Capel sold himself to Taylor which helped to get Blake to come to OU (and Capel's recruiting of Blake). So, Capel played an important role in getting Blake Griffin on campus. I have no idea why people downplay the role Capel had in getting Blake to OU. This is a hypothetical, if William Tisdale had been recruited by Dave Bliss and then Tubbs got him Wayman, would Tubbs had been giving absolutely no credit for Wayman's recruitment? I seriously doubt it.

As for Osby, we have zero idea how he was playing when Capel was here as he was redshirting. So, that is absolutely pure speculation on your part. And you could say that Osby improved from the beginning of his first season at OU to this year, but every transfer has an adjustment period and Osby was just about as good at the end of last year as he was this year.

 

[152219]

I'm not anymore troubled by those games than I was the 1999 football season and look how that turned out.

And I'm guessing you were against OU hiring an even less unproven coach in Stoops than you were with Capel?

And I understand that Joe C was trying to make a home run hire with a young guy like he did with Stoops and unfortunately it failed.

 

[152219]

One more thing...Capel had a player equal to Pledger right here in Oklahoma and he didn't recruit him. Tyrus McGee is as good as Pledger so brag all you want about Capel recruiting Pledger but he passed over a solid player, who went to play for a conference foe for Pledger.

And every person on this board said McGee wasn't good enough to play at OU. Just do a quick search and you can find all the posts on it. There would have been a riot if OU would have offered him because "he wasn't good enough"

 

[WTSooner]

Tony Neysmith was not a good player.

If you transfer to a terrible, TERRIBLE Auburn program, and you still can't play major minutes, or put up "numbers", you are not every good.

 

[152219]

One more thing...Capel had a player equal to Pledger right here in Oklahoma and he didn't recruit him. Tyrus McGee is as good as Pledger so brag all you want about Capel recruiting Pledger but he passed over a solid player, who went to play for a conference foe for Pledger.

And Kruger didn't recruit him out of JuCo

 

[bocabull]

The Kruger apologists can spin all you like. The fact is this is a talented team with top 25 talent and we get outsmarted, outschemed, collapse and fall apart on a regular basis. That's on the head coach.

 

[Max Power]

The Kruger apologists can spin all you like. The fact is this is a talented team with top 25 talent and we collapse and fall apart. That's on the head coach.

It is also on the Head coach that developed those guys as Freshmen and Sophomores. Once you get used to losing it is hard to learn how to win

 

[Big Old Booger]

And I'm guessing you were against OU hiring an even less unproven coach in Stoops than you were with Capel?

And I understand that Joe C was trying to make a home run hire with a young guy like he did with Stoops and unfortunately it failed.

No, I was for the Stoops hire. The guy was a proven defensive coordinator leading very good defenses at KSU, which we watched up close and then at Florida where he won an NC. Even though he had never been a head coach, he was a great choice because he was ready to be a HC at a major program.

Also, the OU football brand was still a good brand even after the Gibbs/Schnelly/Blake disaster and could have hired a very good coach if Stoops hadn't worked out. Whereas the OU basketball program was not to that level so it was very important a known commodity was brought in to improve upon what had been built by Sampson and Tubbs.

Capel had head coach experience but it's not like he was tearing it up at VCU nor had he been an assistant at a big program. For a head coach, he was very inexperienced compared to the majority of college head coaches at major or even mid-major programs.

 

[152219]

No, I was for the Stoops hire. The guy was a proven defensive coordinator leading very good defenses at KSU, which we watched up close and then at Florida where he won an NC. Even though he had never been a head coach, he was a great choice because he was ready to be a HC at a major program.

Also, the OU football brand was still a good brand even after the Gibbs/Schnelly/Blake disaster and could have hired a very good coach if Stoops hadn't worked out. Whereas the OU basketball program was not to that level so it was very important a known commodity was brought in to improve upon what had been built by Sampson and Tubbs.

Capel had head coach experience but it's not like he was tearing it up at VCU nor had he been an assistant at a big program. For a head coach, he was very inexperienced compared to the majority of college head coaches at major or even mid-major programs.

Fair enough.

 

[Big Old Booger]

And every person on this board said McGee wasn't good enough to play at OU. Just do a quick search and you can find all the posts on it. There would have been a riot if OU would have offered him because "he wasn't good enough"

I'm pretty sure a number of folks on this board didn't think Nick Thompson or Tyler Neal were good enough to play at OU, but they were recruited anyway.

Its up to the coach to find the talent available, whoever that may be.

He averaged 34 ppg as a junior at Stringtown and 36 as a sr. How does a player with that amount of scoring not get at least a cursory visit?

As to your point about Kruger not recruiting him, he committed to ISU in September of 2010 and Capel wasn't fired until mid-March 2011 so this recruiting miss is all on Capel.

 

[152219]

I'm pretty sure a number of folks on this board didn't think Nick Thompson or Tyler Neal were good enough to play at OU, but they were recruited anyway.

Its up to the coach to find the talent available, whoever that may be.

He averaged 34 ppg as a junior at Stringtown and 36 as a sr. How does a player with that amount of scoring not get at least a cursory visit?

As to your point about Kruger not recruiting him, he committed to ISU in September of 2010 and Capel wasn't fired until mid-March 2011 so this recruiting miss is all on Capel.

I was wrong about his second recruitment, but my point still stands about how there were a number of threads on this exact board saying that McGee wasn't good enough to play at OU and those threads were brought back up a few weeks ago.