Anybody else peeved we are playing AT Dayton?

[bocabull]

This is pretty funny. A 22-10 OU team with plenty of bad losses gets a total gift 3 seed and a cakewalk bracket and people are whining about having to play a mid major in their home state? lol lol

If we can't beat Dayton we're not very good. It's that simple.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

This is pretty funny. A 22-10 OU team with plenty of bad losses gets a total gift 3 seed and a cakewalk bracket and people are whining about having to play a mid major in their home state? lol lol

If we can't beat Dayton we're not very good. It's that simple.

Some of you make me laugh. Who is saying we can't win? That is simply not the point. I for one expect us to win this game.

Some of us prefer a tournament planned to be as fair as possible to everyone. Who really knows who should be a certain seed? I believe lots of errors are made in that. And you have made it clear you don't think OU is very good - and should be seeded lower - maybe lots lower. Maybe you're right, but I think they are a pretty good team and are seeded about where they deserve - at least within a slot or two. But once the seeds are decided, some of us want as fair a tournament as possible. That apparently is not important to some of you. You suggest they can just put whatever obstacles they want in front of some teams and if they can't overcome it then they deserve to lose (and maybe they should even be kicked out of the NCAA - tongue in cheek).

How far will you go with that? What if tomorrow they decided Dayton has to play with just 3 players? Would you feel the same way? "If they can't win with three they deserve to lose, It doesn't matter. It's just the way it is".

Where you got the idea we cannot win, I don't know. You may believe we are doomed - but I don't.

 

[campbest]

Newsflash...life ain't fair. Sometime you have to overcome a tough draw to get to where you want to go.

All these glass half empty people crack me up. Ever consider the emotional boost this team would get from winning a NCAA game in a hostile environment this team would get?

The region is wide open but fans are complaining about a road game against a mediocre A-10 team. Sack up and get a W.

 

[skyvue]

If we can't beat Dayton we're not very good. It's that simple.

That's right, because this game is the only one that counts. Forget all those other quality wins the team achieved.

After all, the better teams always win in the Big Dance; upsets are as rare as hen's teeth. And how a given team performs in a single game in this tourney absolutely overrides what it might have done over the course of a four-month season.

 

[SoonerSpock]

I definitely think it's ridiculous. It's a result of the committee's absurd over emphasis of geography. It's fine if they're trying to reward top 16/20 seeds with sites close to home. They earned it. But putting an 11 in a region where they will wind up playing roughly an hour from home is over the top. They could have easily put Dayton in the Tuesday play in game that fed the winner to the West/Jacksonville site.

Oh well. As others have said, it is what it is and it does little to b!+ch about it now. Still, this is something the committee should seriously examine going forward.

This problem occurs because you have four teams in play-in games that can go to only two regions (opponent opposite #6 seed). Moreover the other 6 vs 11 game (BYU vs Ole Miss) was played at the University of Dayton arena which would have been a bigger home court advantage. If Dayton was going to be an 11 seed then Columbus was the right location for them to be assigned. Bad break for the Sooners. Nothing more.

This article in The Oklahoman explains other site location factors even further.

http://newsok.com/how-dayton-wound-...u-in-front-of-a-hostile-crowd/article/5403591


http://www.bing.com/search?q=BYU+vs...&src=IE-TopResult&FORM=IETR02&conversationid=

 

[WaymanFan]

I agree that we simply can't make excuses if we lose. Just go out and take care of business against a team we should beat.

For those of you who are complaining about fairness, I'm curious what you think about the OU women's team constantly (often regardless of seed) landing in Oklahoma City for their NCAA Tournament games. For some reason, I haven't seen too many "fairness" threads about that. If #5 seed OU can beat #4 seed Stanford tomorrow, we get to play in the Sweet 16 in...drum roll...Oklahoma City!

Finally, any OU fan old enough to remember the 1987-1988 season should be desensitized to fairness. We had to play Miami for the football National Championship in Miami and, well, you know where we played Kansas a few months later.

We can all agree on one thing. JUST WIN!

 

[SoonerSpock]

I agree that we simply can't make excuses if we lose. Just go out and take care of business against a team we should beat.

For those of you who are complaining about fairness, I'm curious what you think about the OU women's team constantly (often regardless of seed) landing in Oklahoma City for their NCAA Tournament games. For some reason, I haven't seen too many "fairness" threads about that. If #5 seed OU can beat #4 seed Stanford tomorrow, we get to play in the Sweet 16 in...drum roll...Oklahoma City!

Finally, any OU fan old enough to remember the 1987-1988 season should be desensitized to fairness. We had to play Miami for the football National Championship in Miami and, well, you know where we played Kansas a few months later.

We can all agree on one thing. JUST WIN!

The women's tournament uses a different criterion for first and second round sites than does the men's tournament. Frequently if not generally the top four seeds in the women's game host the first and second rounds.

While in the men's tournament the top four seeds are assigned to the previously selected first/second round site nearest their school which can be very close (Kentucky is playing Louisville, Villanova in Pittsburgh, Duke in Charlotte and Wisconsin in Omaha). The two seed Arizona has to go to Portland, OR.

The women also try to assign teams to regions that allow to play in closer proximity to the school location to again boost attendance. Obviously this is not a concern for the men's tournament as all of their regional games are sellouts before the games start.

 

[OUSKINS]

To me, I think people have always misunderstood homecourt advantage in sports. I don't think fan support/noise is the #1 advantage. I think it's comfort and routine. And while this game is being played close to Dayton and they will have ten times more fans there than OU, the teams are on equal footing in terms of routine and comfort level. Both teams are away from their homes, their own beds, their normal routines, etc. Both teams are in hotels and have been dealing with media requests and practices schedules that differ from the norm. Both teams have been out of class and doing whatever work they need to do away from their normal classrooms. Not as big of an advantage as some think.

 

[WTSooner]

Some of you make me laugh. Who is saying we can't win? That is simply not the point. I for one expect us to win this game.

Some of us prefer a tournament planned to be as fair as possible to everyone. Who really knows who should be a certain seed? I believe lots of errors are made in that. And you have made it clear you don't think OU is very good - and should be seeded lower - maybe lots lower. Maybe you're right, but I think they are a pretty good team and are seeded about where they deserve - at least within a slot or two. But once the seeds are decided, some of us want as fair a tournament as possible. That apparently is not important to some of you. You suggest they can just put whatever obstacles they want in front of some teams and if they can't overcome it then they deserve to lose (and maybe they should even be kicked out of the NCAA - tongue in cheek).

How far will you go with that? What if tomorrow they decided Dayton has to play with just 3 players? Would you feel the same way? "If they can't win with three they deserve to lose, It doesn't matter. It's just the way it is".

Where you got the idea we cannot win, I don't know. You may believe we are doomed - but I don't.

I explained to you why it was pretty much out of the Committee's hands as to where Dayton ended up.

 

[jerry]

This is pretty funny. A 22-10 OU team with plenty of bad losses gets a total gift 3 seed and a cakewalk bracket and people are whining about having to play a mid major in their home state? lol lol

If we can't beat Dayton we're not very good. It's that simple.

Well said!!!

 

[jackson_supersooner]

Some of you make me laugh. Who is saying we can't win? That is simply not the point. I for one expect us to win this game.

Some of us prefer a tournament planned to be as fair as possible to everyone. Who really knows who should be a certain seed? I believe lots of errors are made in that. And you have made it clear you don't think OU is very good - and should be seeded lower - maybe lots lower. Maybe you're right, but I think they are a pretty good team and are seeded about where they deserve - at least within a slot or two. But once the seeds are decided, some of us want as fair a tournament as possible. That apparently is not important to some of you. You suggest they can just put whatever obstacles they want in front of some teams and if they can't overcome it then they deserve to lose (and maybe they should even be kicked out of the NCAA - tongue in cheek).

How far will you go with that? What if tomorrow they decided Dayton has to play with just 3 players? Would you feel the same way? "If they can't win with three they deserve to lose, It doesn't matter. It's just the way it is".

Where you got the idea we cannot win, I don't know. You may believe we are doomed - but I don't.

Your making it rain with this stuff. Good post.

 

[cjhsooner]

Oh, but Oklahoma playing in OKC isn't an advantage (happened in 2003). It happens. Higher seed or not, the committee has a curve they place teams on. If OU had ended up playing Providence, as they thought, this wouldn't be a discussion. All OU can do is go win. This is not a real advantage, unless OU lets it become one.

 

[skyvue]

Oh, but Oklahoma playing in OKC isn't an advantage (happened in 2003). It happens. Higher seed or not, the committee has a curve they place teams on. If OU had ended up playing Providence, as they thought, this wouldn't be a discussion. All OU can do is go win. This is not a real advantage, unless OU lets it become one.

Of course it's an advantage. It's an indisputable fact that road games are harder to win than home games and games played on a neutral court. And Dayton has enjoyed this advantage in three straight tourney games; that's unprecedented.

Is it an advantage that cannot be overcome? Of course not. OU has won tough games on the road this season. The Sooners will just have to go out there and try to take the crowd out of it from the opening tip. We can all agree on that. But to pretend there's no advantage for Dayton -- that the crowd won't fire up their Flyers and, quite possibly, impact the officiating -- is just silly.

 

[coolm]

this is ridiculous.

nothing more to see here. move on ...

 

[WTSooner]

Already starting in with the possible officiating excuse.

Embarrassing.

 

[Zimwillett]

Oh, but Oklahoma playing in OKC isn't an advantage (happened in 2003). It happens. Higher seed or not, the committee has a curve they place teams on. If OU had ended up playing Providence, as they thought, this wouldn't be a discussion. All OU can do is go win. This is not a real advantage, unless OU lets it become one.

First, no one has a problem with a #1 seed (OU in 2003) or even a 3 or 4 seed playing at a site close to home. That's because it IS an advantage and the better teams in the regular season are rightfully rewarded with it.

Second, the problem is, the committee often abandons the true "curve" in favor of geography, and I'm not the only one to notice. This article sums it up pretty succinctly:

http://thebiglead.com/2015/02/16/ncaa-mock-selection-exercise-shows-potential-pitfalls-for-this-years-committee/

I'm with those that say this is a game OU should win if they are as good as some of us think they are. However, I also don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that there's a flaw in a process that rewards the last team in the tournament first with a true home game and then a "neutral" site an hour from their campus.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Already starting in with the possible officiating excuse.

Embarrassing.

Thanks WT.

Everyone keep in mind we have posters who do not think officiating has any impact on game outcomes. Then why in the world don't they just let home teams hire folks out of their athletic department to call their home games? It would save lots of travel expenses - and according to these folks it would never have any impact on the game results. Lots of upside and no downside.

WT, we will just leave it up to you to contact the NCAA with that suggestion.

 

[campbest]

Thanks WT.

Everyone keep in mind we have posters who do not think officiating has any impact on game outcomes. Then why in the world don't they just let home teams hire folks out of their athletic department to call their home games? It would save lots of travel expenses - and according to these folks it would never have any impact on the game results. Lots of upside and no downside.

WT, we will just leave it up to you to contact the NCAA with that suggestion.

Actually, coaches and administrators have a say in who works their games.

 

[IndySooner]

Actually, coaches and administrators have a say in who works their games.

Not during conference play they don't.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Actually, coaches and administrators have a say in who works their games.

But they don't get to use members of their own athletic departments.

I think all the input they get is the right to mark off a very small number of officials they are uncomfortable with.