Bad Loss Reactions

[atlantasooner]

When you suffer a truly bad blowout loss to a team that is not clearly
superior in talent, it's easy to fly off the handle with over reaction.
I'm as guilty as anyone.
Sherri didn't become a bad coach in one day/one game.
However, you have to really ask yourself after bad games like this.
Was this loss due a lack of effort or a sign of lack of talent?

Obviously, OU was completely flat today. We can guess the reasons. Regardless, Sherri did not have her team ready to play. Coaching a group of teenagers basically this will happen. (see OU v UT in football).
Sherri needs to shake things up big time. It's time to bench Little/Manning
and do something different.

The more distressing conclusion appears to be forming. This team is not very talented. There are a lot of similar pieces that don't combine well.
Lots of the same kind of players. We have no athletes who can create their own shot and finish. None.
Maybe Carter who probably should be redshirting due to injuries.
But to be honest, injuries are no excuse everyone has injuries.

This is a poorly built and recruited roster there's my knee jerk reaction.

 

[sybarite]

To be a reaction, it has to be something different from what you have been saying all along.

 

[atlantasooner]

Syb,
i'm fine with you ignoring my posts.
You have nothing to add due your Sherri Infallibility Distortion Field.
I've dealt with football fans who used to have the Bob version.
It's okay but don't pretend you are a member of a discussion board when
you won't engage in real discussion. You have nothing to add of any real basketball knowledge.
You don't understand recruiting. You don't know how to evaluate talent.
And you never backtrack from any of your statements.

Cheers.

 

[Sooner Cal]

Finally, somebody agrees with what I've been saying since game 1 against North Texas. This team isn't very athletic. The turnovers, especially the ones that are passes directly to opponents indicate they don't get their heads up and look.

But looking when they don't have the ball is a strength. Lots of ball watching.

They often just pass the ball around until the shot clock runs down and they have to take a bad shot.

Playing out of control is common.

Some get tired after 10 trips down the court.

Silly fouls are standard practice.

Several can't shoot very well. Against oSu the starters were 7 of 29, less than 25%. The bench was 7 of 18.

I have no idea what the substitution strategy is, but we rarely have the same 5 on the court for very long.

I agree that Carter should have redshirted. If what we've seen from her is the best she can do, and t isn't 10% of her old self.

The only consistency is their inconsistency.

Twice this year, I've seen coach yell at them, clearly upset. I suspect she's frustrated she can't find a good combination.

Of the starters
1) Gabbi's play has slipped. I don't see the leadership I expected in her soph year.
2) Wyatt has played better than I expected. I'd say she is the most improved and her effort is generally pretty good.
3) Manning, in my opinion, is trying too hard. Her pressing causes her to play wild at times.
4) Peyton has lost her confidence.
5) Kay Kay is our best player, but her minutes are too few due to physical conditioning and/or foul trouble.

 

[sybarite]

Syb,
i'm fine with you ignoring my posts.
You have nothing to add due your Sherri Infallibility Distortion Field.
I've dealt with football fans who used to have the Bob version.
It's okay but don't pretend you are a member of a discussion board when
you won't engage in real discussion. You have nothing to add of any real basketball knowledge.
You don't understand recruiting. You don't know how to evaluate talent.
And you never backtrack from any of your statements.

Cheers.

Oh. I didn't realize that you were a Final Four quality coach who had been inducted into the Hall of Fame.

Doesn't that sound ridiculous?

 

[sybarite]

Of the starters
1) Gabbi's play has slipped. I don't see the leadership I expected in her soph year.
2) Wyatt has played better than I expected. I'd say she is the most improved and her effort is generally pretty good.
3) Manning, in my opinion, is trying too hard. Her pressing causes her to play wild at times.
4) Peyton has lost her confidence.
5) Kay Kay is our best player, but her minutes are too few due to physical conditioning and/or foul trouble.

Would you consider the possibility that each is trying to do too much on their own, acting as individuals rather than as a team, while their talents were designed to be a part of a team? Would each not improve if they were to forget what they are doing for themselves and work to get better shots for the team?

 

[skilledserv]

syb,
i'm fine with you ignoring my posts.
You have nothing to add due your sherri infallibility distortion field.
I've dealt with football fans who used to have the bob version.
It's okay but don't pretend you are a member of a discussion board when
you won't engage in real discussion. You have nothing to add of any real basketball knowledge.
You don't understand recruiting. You don't know how to evaluate talent.
And you never backtrack from any of your statements.

Cheers.

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[35TangoTango]

I don't think this team is untalented. I think we are slow (speed kills) and we lack a go-to player. We're trying to force Maddie into that role for lack of anyone else, and it's not working. Not sure what the answer is. Someone has to be able to beat people off the dribble.

 

[atlantasooner]

Syb,
Again, if you do not want to discuss issues, don't post. I'm happy to ignore you
completely. Do me the same courtesy.

For those wanting an actual debate about the team, please feel free to add counter
comments.

 

[atlantasooner]

I don't think this team is untalented. I think we are slow (speed kills) and we lack a go-to player. We're trying to force Maddie into that role for lack of anyone else, and it's not working. Not sure what the answer is. Someone has to be able to beat people off the dribble.

No go to player is either talent or development. And I completely agree with you.

I thought Peyton was that player. But she needs to be benched or some kind
of funk exorcism needs to occur.

 

[sybarite]

I don't think this team is untalented. I think we are slow (speed kills) and we lack a go-to player. We're trying to force Maddie into that role for lack of anyone else, and it's not working. Not sure what the answer is. Someone has to be able to beat people off the dribble.

I think Maddie and T'Ona (maybe LaNesia) are the only ones with speed. But, is that really an issue? Is speed what you want, or is it quickness? Neither speed nor quickness is of value if there is no lane. We have no lanes due to a lack of movement.

A player like Plum isn't really fast. What they do is take advantage of any lane and drive, depending very much on getting the calls. Keep in mind that we won because she couldn't shake T'Ona, and Maddie got back to block her shot on a breakaway.

I think we have such limited movement that we rarely get someone wide open where they can shoot or drive. The pass in to the post rarely results in anything other than an attempted shot. Neither Kay Kay nor Vivi are quick to return the pass outside for an open jumper. They may fumble it trying. It's an uncertainty that developed, curiously, about the time that Gioya became available--coincidence, I think. But, we were effective from the North Texas game through some pretty solid opposition before a relapse.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Would you consider the possibility that each is trying to do too much on their own, acting as individuals rather than as a team, while their talents were designed to be a part of a team? Would each not improve if they were to forget what they are doing for themselves and work to get better shots for the team?

Only if I was to conclude that the coach had lost the team.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Syb,
i'm fine with you ignoring my posts.
You have nothing to add due your Sherri Infallibility Distortion Field.
I've dealt with football fans who used to have the Bob version.
It's okay but don't pretend you are a member of a discussion board when
you won't engage in real discussion. You have nothing to add of any real basketball knowledge.
You don't understand recruiting. You don't know how to evaluate talent.
And you never backtrack from any of your statements.

Cheers.

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[Big Old Booger]

When you suffer a truly bad blowout loss to a team that is not clearly
superior in talent, it's easy to fly off the handle with over reaction.
I'm as guilty as anyone.
Sherri didn't become a bad coach in one day/one game.
However, you have to really ask yourself after bad games like this.
Was this loss due a lack of effort or a sign of lack of talent?

Obviously, OU was completely flat today. We can guess the reasons. Regardless, Sherri did not have her team ready to play. Coaching a group of teenagers basically this will happen. (see OU v UT in football).
Sherri needs to shake things up big time. It's time to bench Little/Manning
and do something different.

The more distressing conclusion appears to be forming. This team is not very talented. There are a lot of similar pieces that don't combine well.
Lots of the same kind of players. We have no athletes who can create their own shot and finish. None.
Maybe Carter who probably should be redshirting due to injuries.
But to be honest, injuries are no excuse everyone has injuries.

This is a poorly built and recruited roster there's my knee jerk reaction.

I didn't get to watch the game today but no way should OSU beat us by 31 points. I like Sherri Coale and appreciate what she's done for the program but it sure seems her best days as OU's coach are behind her. Maybe she needs some different asst coaches who can shake it up a bit but the program has become stale it seems.

I've thought this in the past though and she's been able to prove me wrong. I hope she can do it again this time because I would rather we win and me be wrong about her than the reverse.

 

[Stringmusic]

The game of basketball is as much mental as it is physical. The effort was there, we had the same talented players but their minds were not in the game. I could tell in their faces and by their actions. They spent a week doing community service work and I think that is great - but it affected those young, emotional minds. I don't think we will such performance on the floor again this season.

Further, I would rather lose in an occasional blowout and win the rest handsomely than lose often by 2 or 3 points. Our team just wasn't mentally into it today. Chalk it up to a learning experience and move on.

 

[gwydion]

This team is a group of support players. There is no one who can score on a consistent basis, no one who can lead or wants to lead, no one who can put the team on their back and get them through. That's all on recruiting. This is a bad team. They won't make it into post season.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Sadly, this is becoming an all too frequent problem with OUWBB.

After the 8-5 season it seemed as Stoops became rejuvenated and made the changes that needed to be made and reinvigorated himself, the staff and the entire team.

I think that Sherri should be given the opportunity to do the same, the rest of this season and next. All of Soonerdom owes her that opportunity and that level of support.

I'm not saying we should ignore the problems of this year and the last few. We should expect a top 10 team and we should give her support.

But at the end of this season, which appears won't end well, Joe C. needs to sit down with Sherri and make it clear that things must change.

Even if she retires, quits or is fired as OUWBB head coach, I am certain another top position will be made available to Sherri because she is a tremendous asset and model for OU.

I do believe, however, that she has lost something as a basketball coach and it may be time for her to retire.

I emphasize MAY BE.


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[j2d2]

Sherri may have the same problem that Stoops had - loyalty to staff that wasnt performing. This squad isnt particularly talented and Sherri has repeatedly said she loves to coach them. Maddie is insanely talented but has a serious problem between the ears and cannot play freely. I far, far had rather have quickness than speed. Our motion offense is watching each other and not moving. There is no flow, no rhythm, no consistency except defensive failures and no offensive rhythm.

 

[atlantasooner]

Oliver,
Sherri's a great coach. She may be able to regroup this team and rally it.
She's done it before.
But we're not catching Baylor. At least the signs are not positive.
And that's the real problem.

Bob had to gut his complete staff including Josh Heupel to get back on track.
Bob's had to throw himself into recruiting like never before. He's re energized.
OU started the OU DNA brand two years ago. The marketing materials used all over
twitter are great.
Strategy wise OU is offering earlier much earlier.
Bob's changed personnel.
Bob's changed his own level of commitment in recruiting.
He's changing existing strategies and using new techniques.

 

[annabelle]

syb,
i'm fine with you ignoring my posts.
You have nothing to add due your sherri infallibility distortion field.
I've dealt with football fans who used to have the bob version.
It's okay but don't pretend you are a member of a discussion board when
you won't engage in real discussion. You have nothing to add of any real basketball knowledge.
You don't understand recruiting. You don't know how to evaluate talent.
And you never backtrack from any of your statements.

Cheers.

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