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syb,
actually if it was anything, it was libel.
but you are reduced to calling it slander when it's a discussion question further proves my point. Go back into your reality distortion field bubble on recruiting and everything else.
And let the rest of us who actually want to talk about the issue continue to discuss
and disagree and debate.
 
syb,
actually if it was anything, it was libel.
but you are reduced to calling it slander when it's a discussion question further proves my point. Go back into your reality distortion field bubble on recruiting and everything else.
And let the rest of us who actually want to talk about the issue continue to discuss
and disagree and debate.

Looks like syb knows about as much about law as he does basketball.
 
syb,
actually if it was anything, it was libel.
but you are reduced to calling it slander when it's a discussion question further proves my point. Go back into your reality distortion field bubble on recruiting and everything else.
And let the rest of us who actually want to talk about the issue continue to discuss
and disagree and debate.

"slander

n. oral defamation, in which someone tells one or more persons an untruth about another which untruth will harm the reputation of the person defamed. Slander is a civil wrong (tort) and can be the basis for a lawsuit. "
Want to try again?
 
As I said, I like both guys and not only are they great players, they also are great representatives of OU. If I used a bad example in adding Buddy, scratch him. People are getting hung up on a name they disagree with which isn't the point.

Let's go with Spangler. Tell me one player Sherri has ever signed that displayed several tats like Spangler. I think Ny got a tat after she came but nothing like Spangler's If I'm wrong about Sherri, give me one example.

Norm, it's a flawed argument, and I give you credit of having the intelligence to know that. How many good women high school players have you seen out there in the past with several tats like Spangler?

Your refusal to back down from any stance no matter how wrong can only be matched by Syb's.
 
Norm, it's a flawed argument, and I give you credit of having the intelligence to know that. How many good women high school players have you seen out there in the past with several tats like Spangler?

Your refusal to back down from any stance no matter how wrong can only be matched by Syb's.

If you have proof I'm wrong, I will gladly back down.
 
As I said, I like both guys and not only are they great players, they also are great representatives of OU. If I used a bad example in adding Buddy, scratch him. People are getting hung up on a name they disagree with which isn't the point.

Let's go with Spangler. Tell me one player Sherri has ever signed that displayed several tats like Spangler. I think Ny got a tat after she came but nothing like Spangler's If I'm wrong about Sherri, give me one example.

You used a bad example. I was just pointing that out. It's not fair to Buddy. :buddy

I disagree with Ryan as well for the reasons I pointed out. If Ryan are a female version of himself (scary thought) then I guess I could buy that the perception of him could be as an unsavory character. But I don't think Coach Coale would think that if she were the men's coach recruiting Ryan to OU...
 
syb.
oral defamation = slander
written defamation = libel

try actually using a dictionary correctly.
 
My problem is that I do doubt that Sherri would recruit a player with a tat that showed. I hate tats BUT it is what young people do these days and NOT just troublemakers. And it appears to be addictive, once you get one, then you get another one, two or three. Tatoo is freedom of expression and to judge a person on that is bigoted and not intelligent.

Also, seems they all have to be Christians. You can be a great kid and be an atheist. Also, being of another religion does not eliminate your qualifications for being a good person. It does seem that most kids on twitter that are being recruited or make a team do have these Christian quotes but THAT does not make them a good teammate or person. You can believe in God and say those things but not act on them.

As far as our having good students, I question that in regards to grades. Very few players seem. I mean how many are making a 3 point and what are there majors. They seem to be that major that athletes are pushed towards that is very generic, which does not prepare you for jobs nor the real world. I am not saying Sherri pushing someone towards a degree, I have no idea. I wish I could come up with the particular degree because I have seen articles on it re: athletes, even athletes at OU. Again, I don't know if Sherri pushes anyone. My guess would be if they were student athletes then they would have degrees in which they are interested. I will tell you I am amazed that the grammar of these students isn't better. (NOW, I know someone has been critical of my grammar and punctuation on this board, but there was a time that would not have happened AND if I edit, I catch it immediately. Usually, I am just going to fast with many thoughts in my head.) And I am not talking about grammar on twitter because I rarely look at these pages. I am talking about in interviews, comments, etc.
Now, not having good grammar and punctuation does not prevent you from being a good student unless you are majoring in journalism or English.

Then there is the sports information, photography, and similar degrees that again do no prepare you for a job after college.....maybe sports info, but not sure. If you are into fashion, you had better have a back-up degree.

My points...not sure the criteria Sherri uses is valid nor constitutional at a public university, especially for state students. PLUS, public schools are paid for by tax dollars and it is not to just benefit those who need it less and will not cause a little bit or problems. It is easy to build leaders if that is what you recruit. I believe as a public funded university we, including Sherri, has the responsibility to get players that she might or the team psychologist might have to work with but if they are good athletes then they should get a chance. Also, players getting to decide if a player joins the team is just wrong. They are not adults and if these kids are such good kids who want to help, then they should have no problem with these kids. PLUS, the purpose of the university funding a team is not to provide a social life and friends for life for these young women. THEY need to learn how to get along an cooperate with all types of people.

Do not expect much agreement but that is okay. I could mention another player and the things that Sherri said and was reported by OU media but imagine few of you have gotten this far.

As far as Sherri being a good coach, believe she as some good qualities and
bad, LIKE all of us in our lives including our professions. I do think she is
good for the university. My answer would be to hire other assistant coaches and/or take another position with the university. I don't expect her to part ways with Jan Ross but that would be okay with me. But the other two, I would have no problem AND she has to let the assistants do what they do best, so that she has people that complement her assets. That is just good management and leadership. You hire people who complement you because no one does it all.

So these are my comments which I feel negatively affect the program, the university and definitely the quality of play. I don't want to get into an argument with someone but don't have problems with a discussion.
 
syb.
oral defamation = slander
written defamation = libel

try actually using a dictionary correctly.

Know people on here do this. Not just you. Think it is fine to point out
a word that has been used wrong. Usually most people know it and it is just making a mistake. BUT to put down someone for using a word incorrectly, or misspelling is pretty childish. AND I know we have all been petty and childish at one time on here. I don't know why the internet just can be so much of a contest which then goes to hateful contest. It becomes a little about winning for many of us. I include myself for having these tendencies but really work to not be that way here.
 
Now that I look at it. OSU did beat Baylor in Stillwater. Maybe UT is the best team in the conference. I am still confident OU can place in the top 4 and get a NCAA bid. Also recruiting has picked up. Dungee and Mulkey for 2016. Even if Mulkey doesn't score. She will be a terror in the lane blocking shots. No easy baskets. Then OU has Llanusa in 2017. One thing that hurt OU was the limited amount of scholarships. 2017 and 18 OU should be able to go after some of these players.
 
Most seem to agree that we have to have better players. Period. While I also agree we badly need a couple of assistants who are excellent recruiters, there is another part to the problem. When the assistants start building relationships (some to the point the players want to come to OU) Sherri has got to stop saying "no, we are not taking that player". I know for a fact that has happened several times. Your next question is probably, why. Because Sherri wants girls who are first class citizens, good students, and will not likely ever cause a moments trouble. They are graded, by her, to make sure they conform to her strict standards.

There is nothing wrong with wanting those type kids, IF they are also the best of the best on the court. Herein lies the problem. Our girls will match up with any off the court in grades, community service, etc but not on the court. Sherri's selection process agrees with some on this board. Others will say, if she wouldn't take players like a Buddy Hield or Ryan Spangler, she needs to change her requirements. When I look at teams who are normally ranked in the top 5-10 in the country, I don't see many who regularly have to suspend players. It just seldom happens. Yet, we didn't recruit many of those players.

I think Sherri needs to identify the best players, see if there is anything in their background that would raise a LEGITIMATE red flag, and make the best decision possible. But, waiting late in the recruiting process then pulling the rug out from under the recruits, as well as assistant coaches, is a terrible practice. Ask the coaches at DFW Elite.

I have always loved the fact that we have girls on the all academic team and do this and do that. Unfortunately we aren't competing in the Big 12 categories contest. We seem to constantly get hammered by teams like A$M and Baylor - among others - that have players that - for example - that are 6'2" and consistently beat us with their athleticism. I've always wondered why we don't have more girls like this. Maybe it is some sort of anti "thug" mentality. I'm not saying I want a squad full of criminals but a little attitude never seems to hurt.

I love Sherri as a person and she's had some really good success here but when was the last time an opponent has been worried.concerned/scared about playing us because of the athletes we have? I'm pretty sure it's not nearly as much as the other way around.
 
My problem is that I do doubt that Sherri would recruit a player with a tat that showed. I hate tats BUT it is what young people do these days and NOT just troublemakers. And it appears to be addictive, once you get one, then you get another one, two or three. Tatoo is freedom of expression and to judge a person on that is bigoted and not intelligent.

Also, seems they all have to be Christians. You can be a great kid and be an atheist. Also, being of another religion does not eliminate your qualifications for being a good person. It does seem that most kids on twitter that are being recruited or make a team do have these Christian quotes but THAT does not make them a good teammate or person. You can believe in God and say those things but not act on them.

As far as our having good students, I question that in regards to grades. Very few players seem. I mean how many are making a 3 point and what are there majors. They seem to be that major that athletes are pushed towards that is very generic, which does not prepare you for jobs nor the real world. I am not saying Sherri pushing someone towards a degree, I have no idea. I wish I could come up with the particular degree because I have seen articles on it re: athletes, even athletes at OU. Again, I don't know if Sherri pushes anyone. My guess would be if they were student athletes then they would have degrees in which they are interested. I will tell you I am amazed that the grammar of these students isn't better. (NOW, I know someone has been critical of my grammar and punctuation on this board, but there was a time that would not have happened AND if I edit, I catch it immediately. Usually, I am just going to fast with many thoughts in my head.) And I am not talking about grammar on twitter because I rarely look at these pages. I am talking about in interviews, comments, etc.
Now, not having good grammar and punctuation does not prevent you from being a good student unless you are majoring in journalism or English.

Then there is the sports information, photography, and similar degrees that again do no prepare you for a job after college.....maybe sports info, but not sure. If you are into fashion, you had better have a back-up degree.

My points...not sure the criteria Sherri uses is valid nor constitutional at a public university, especially for state students. PLUS, public schools are paid for by tax dollars and it is not to just benefit those who need it less and will not cause a little bit or problems. It is easy to build leaders if that is what you recruit. I believe as a public funded university we, including Sherri, has the responsibility to get players that she might or the team psychologist might have to work with but if they are good athletes then they should get a chance. Also, players getting to decide if a player joins the team is just wrong. They are not adults and if these kids are such good kids who want to help, then they should have no problem with these kids. PLUS, the purpose of the university funding a team is not to provide a social life and friends for life for these young women. THEY need to learn how to get along an cooperate with all types of people.

Do not expect much agreement but that is okay. I could mention another player and the things that Sherri said and was reported by OU media but imagine few of you have gotten this far.

As far as Sherri being a good coach, believe she as some good qualities and
bad, LIKE all of us in our lives including our professions. I do think she is
good for the university. My answer would be to hire other assistant coaches and/or take another position with the university. I don't expect her to part ways with Jan Ross but that would be okay with me. But the other two, I would have no problem AND she has to let the assistants do what they do best, so that she has people that complement her assets. That is just good management and leadership. You hire people who complement you because no one does it all.

Agree...but not holding my breath. You can lead a horse to water...
 
Well this thread certainly went off topic.

Women's sports are evolving. UCONN coaches them more like a men's team. Others are doing the same. We don't. We'll play you even if you're not in the best of shape. We play 12 girls, most of the best teams don't do that. They make players earn PT.

Tattoos have nothing to do with it. Rush was as tough a player as you'll find on today's better teams and she had no visible tattoos. It is about getting the right players. I suspect the FCA might turn some players off on all our teams. Some kids don't want religion to be a part of their college experience.

One thing is for sure, she must recruit better to win. We need a 4 like Rush and Thompson.

In the meantime, this motion offense isn't suited to our current squad. Ball watching isn't part of that scheme and that's where we excel.
 
I think the last girl with a visible tat may have been Amanda Thompson. Doesn't mean more don't have them where they can't be seen. I think many people see tats on women as a sign the girl may not be as straight-laced as others. It wouldn't surprise me if Sherri thinks that way.


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If Sherri eliminates girls because of tattoos, well that's just another sign that the game and times have passed her by.
 
Well this thread certainly went off topic.

Women's sports are evolving. UCONN coaches them more like a men's team. Others are doing the same. We don't. We'll play you even if you're not in the best of shape. We play 12 girls, most of the best teams don't do that. They make players earn PT.

Tattoos have nothing todo with it. Rush was as tough a player as you'll find on today's better teams and do with its she had no visible tattoos. It is about getting the right players. I suspect the FCA might turn some players off on all our teams. Some kids don't want religion to be a part of their college experience.

One thing is for sure, she must recruit better to win. We need a 4 like Rush and Thompson.

In the meantime, this motion offense isn't suited to our current squad. Ball watching isn't part of that scheme and that's where we excel.
Tattoos have nothing to do with it. Rush was as tough a player as you'll find on today's better teams and do with it she had no visible tattoos.

No one said that tattoos make you a tough player or a better player. Also, D-Rob was a great player, not a tough player, and she had no visible tattoos. It appears you believe toughness is equated with tattoos and many players have tattoos which fit no stereotype such as toughness, bad attitude etc. Will add to your comment about Amanda Thompson; she was arguably as tough as Rush and she had no visible tattoos either. Plus, there are players on better teams which have visible tattoos. BUT the point about tattoos was that it appears Sherri will not recruit someone with a tattoo or, at least, not a visible tattoo. That is really a narrow-minded, antiquated and bigoted
attitude and does not serve the team well, the public university well nor the state. Having a tattoo or NOT having a tattoo should not be part of the criteria in recruiting. If nothing else, I would argue that the tattoos are a matter of freedom of expression.
 
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I have always loved the fact that we have girls on the all academic team and do this and do that. Unfortunately we aren't competing in the Big 12 categories contest. We seem to constantly get hammered by teams like A$M and Baylor - among others - that have players that - for example - that are 6'2" and consistently beat us with their athleticism. I've always wondered why we don't have more girls like this. Maybe it is some sort of anti "thug" mentality. I'm not saying I want a squad full of criminals but a little attitude never seems to hurt.

I love Sherri as a person and she's had some really good success here but when was the last time an opponent has been worried.concerned/scared about playing us because of the athletes we have? I'm pretty sure it's not nearly as much as the other way around.

I've always wondered why we don't have more girls like this. Maybe it is some sort of anti "thug" mentality. I'm not saying I want a squad full of criminals but a little attitude never seems to hurt.

I don't see thugs on A&M and Baylor's teams. I do see fewer white players. And I personally don't like any attitude. I think it does hurt. I don't think you have to have an attitude to be a great player ..only the attitude that you WANT to be a great player and an ATTITUDE of wanting to win, but that doesn't have to transfer into something arrogant and/or aggressive.
 
I've always wondered why we don't have more girls like this. Maybe it is some sort of anti "thug" mentality. I'm not saying I want a squad full of criminals but a little attitude never seems to hurt.

I don't see thugs on A&M and Baylor's teams. I do see fewer white players. And I personally don't like any attitude. I think it does hurt. I don't think you have to have an attitude to be a great player ..only the attitude that you WANT to be a great player and an ATTITUDE of wanting to win, but that doesn't have to transfer into something arrogant and/or aggressive.

Both Baylor and A&M (the two you mentioned) have players different than Sherri recruits. No doubt about that.

The only reason the rough/physical play works in the big-12 is because some officials refuse to enforce the rules. This year the NCAA has demanded that the movement of the offensive player not be impeded. Several big-12 officials refuse to enforce that rule. In addition the officials resistance to carefully enforcing that rule gives them too much control over the outcome of the game by being selective about who they call fouls on.

Most leagues have stopped that kind of defense at this point and the games are much more enjoyable to watch. More than any other factor, the 40 and 50 point games are destroying attendance at wbb games in the big-12. Just think about what the stands looked like at Stillwater the other day. Virtually empty. They cannot score, and rely on the physical, rough, pushing, shoving, etc. to keep their opponents from scoring so they have a chance. Saturday they shot way, way over their skill set. A player who had hit 1 of her 14 shots the previous game, hit everything she threw at the rim - even bouncing them off the backboard. Other players - subs clearly not world class shooters or they would be starting - hit everything they shot. And they still only scored 73. That appears to be the absolute max they can score. They are producing boring, boring basketball - and fans are not going to support that type of drivel.
 
I've always wondered why we don't have more girls like this. Maybe it is some sort of anti "thug" mentality. I'm not saying I want a squad full of criminals but a little attitude never seems to hurt.

I don't see thugs on A&M and Baylor's teams. I do see fewer white players. And I personally don't like any attitude. I think it does hurt. I don't think you have to have an attitude to be a great player ..only the attitude that you WANT to be a great player and an ATTITUDE of wanting to win, but that doesn't have to transfer into something arrogant and/or aggressive.

You don't see a lot of teams with players who hit an opponent in the face, breaking a jaw. You don't see a lot of teams with players who pull their opponent's hair. Call it unruly behavior or whatever. It denotes an attitude that is unacceptable.

I think the NCAA attempted, although apparently unacceptably, to limit the type of defense employed by A&M. It is interesting that OU was doing pretty well playing against some pretty good teams until we ran into Big Twelve officials, who seem to love the A&M style.
 
You don't see a lot of teams with players who hit an opponent in the face, breaking a jaw. You don't see a lot of teams with players who pull their opponent's hair. Call it unruly behavior or whatever. It denotes an attitude that is unacceptable.

I think the NCAA attempted, although apparently unacceptably, to limit the type of defense employed by A&M. It is interesting that OU was doing pretty well playing against some pretty good teams until we ran into Big Twelve officials, who seem to love the A&M style.

Excellent post Syb. I think you are talking about Baylor. If I recall, Griner is the one who broke the jaw of a Nebraska girl. At least a foul was called. But OSU does the same. It is mostly caused by a few officials. When Joanna had her jaw broken at OSU when an elbow was thrown, the officials claimed there was no contact and did not even call a foul. She had to miss several games, then wear a mask the rest of the year. But the Big-12 appears - to this day - to claim it was just a little air movement that caused it. I can assure of this: Air movement may cool you off a bit, but it won't break your jaw. It is unacceptable. Those officials should have never been allowed on a big-12 court again. That nothing was apparently done means but one thing. The real problem is in the head offices of the Big-12. This conference is doing the same with targeting. It is seldom called - and not being controlled. It will go on until the players organize and demand to be protected from life long problems - as they have done in the NFL.

I suspect part of the problem in wbb is that some officials are intimidated by male coaches when the opposing coach is female.
 
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