Big 12 (10) expansion?

[seniorsooner]

You guys obviously aren't getting it. Daddy has spoken. It will never happen, ever.

 

[garyeb2]

You guys obviously aren't getting it. Daddy has spoken. It will never happen, ever.

That is right. Oklahoma has a significant voice too. If those two don't want expansion, it won't happen. And if even if it did, They wouldn't bring in an LSU type or any other simular school that could challenge them financially or athleticaly. That is how they get their dominance. Anyone that came aboard would likely be someome that could just hold their own market share and ticket sales wise, a geographical fit, and no particular on field challenge.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I was thinking of athletic competition instead of tv sets.

My apologies.

then why did you add in central florida, south florida, and TCU?

 

[thebigabd]

then why did you add in central florida, south florida, and TCU?

Central Florida just built brand new facilities, was in the top 25 in football and basketball last year, have a massive recruiting base, and are a gigantic school with 50,000 enrollment. Playing in a major conference would bring them up a lot.

TCU is a football power, and are in prime recruiting area for basketball. Its just harder to recruit those guys to play in the Mountain West.

 

[tycat947]

Central Florida just built brand new facilities, was in the top 25 in football and basketball last year, have a massive recruiting base, and are a gigantic school with 50,000 enrollment. Playing in a major conference would bring them up a lot.

TCU is a football power, and are in prime recruiting area for basketball. Its just harder to recruit those guys to play in the Mountain West.

And your point is??? They would NOT bring enough television sets to increase anyone in the Big 12's revenue. It would only dilute it!

The only school available that would cause the Big 12 Pres/AD's to raise an eyebrow would be Notre Dame, nothing more. And it's more than likely never happening. It has nothing to do with how good a team is on the football field or basketball court. It's ALL about adding major amounts of TV sets to view the games.

I'd almost bet that Iowa State and/or Kansas would gather larger TV ratings than U of H. Horns and Aggies don't call them 'Cougar High' for nothing!

 

[SoonerSpock]

If Arkansas and LSU wants to come then bring them. Otherwise keep it as is. We should have gone to the SEC anyway.

If we wanted to quit winning football conference championships better than half the years and settle for one or two championships per decade. It was the Pac 10 where we could have maintained the championships and garnered the incremental increase in television revenue with primarily the same conference opponents.

 

[InExile]

I do wish we would have gone to the Pac 10/16.

And I agree outside of Notre Dame and BYU, none of the other schools mentioned bring many tv's to the mix.

 

[NickZepp]

I do wish we would have gone to the Pac 10/16.

And I agree outside of Notre Dame and BYU, none of the other schools mentioned bring many tv's to the mix.

Possibly Air Force and Boise would be next on the list. But still you are right. Nobody else is even close to those 2.

 

[stoops4pres]

If we wanted to quit winning football conference championships better than half the years and settle for one or two championships per decade.

OU wouldn't win the SEC as often as they do the Big 12, but I would gladly bet that OU would win more than 1 or 2 conference championships per decade. Regardless of league affiliation.

 

[quick release]

didnt TCU join the Big East?

 

[sanguinetti]

didnt TCU join the Big East?

yes. adding TCU is nothing....the Big XII already controls the Dallas/FW market.

can we bury this idea that Colorado State is a good add? they don't even sell out their 40,000 stadium and are average in basketball. they bring nothing. CSU had about a 5 year period where they were in the in/out of the bottom 5 of the top 25 under Sonny Lubick. that was 8 years ago.

Denver is not a college sports media town and CSU is largely invisible here.

 

[NickZepp]

The only Colorado team I would think about adding is Air Force because they don't just have the Colorado area supporting them. But I don't think they would really add all that much either. You would basically only add them if a Boise, BYU, and ND turned them down.

 

[oSuJeff97]

I don't see the need to add anyone.

The biggest reason to add is to gain eyeballs for your TV deal.

We just got a bonanza TV deal for our secondary rights and all signs point to a HUGE bonanza when the primary rights come up in a few years.

These deals are largely due to fact that the Big 12 owns the entire state of Texas (in terms of TV eyeballs).

That won't be changin, so why dilute each team's take by adding a few teams that, more than likely, won't add enough incremental eyeballs to make up for the loss of per-school revenue due to dilution?

 

[NickZepp]

Right now you are probably right there's not much of a reason to. But in 2 or 3 years when everyone else will be getting revenue from a Conference Title they'll have the same hurtles the Big 10 and PAC 10 were having in the past. In the next few years the Big 12 will have to add 2 teams for football. For basketball it makes little sense. But Basketball won't matter in the equation.

 

[Sawyer]

The revenues from a conference title football game aren't greater than what the conference would have to pay out to two additional teams.

The only way adding new teams makes sense is if that title game and whatever increase in TV sets they bring offsets the shares they'd be given as Big 12 members (and really, their TV sets wouldn't matter unless we also renegotiated the TV deals, which probably wouldn't happen).

The conferences aren't going to change for awhile unless something major changes (say... the BCS renegotiates a contract that excludes the Big East).

 

[MissouriFan]

If the time ever comes to expand my vote is for Louisville and Memphis.

Louisville - Has great facilities, new market, good support, was good in football not that long ago, and has a great hoops program.

Memphis - New market, would provide a great road trip destination, has a very good hoops program, a large football stadium, western half of Tennessee would provide a good recruiting area for the conference. The football program and academics do need some work though.

Football Stadiums
Louisville - Papa John's Cardinal Stadium (55,000)

Memphis - Liberty Bowl (62,380)

Basketball Arenas
Louisville - KFC Yum! Center (22,000)

Memphis - Fedex Forum (18,119)

Hoops in this conference would be incredible.

And as mentioned Memphis would provide a great road trip destination for the conference.

 

[Sawyer]

There were also rumors that FedEx would throw several million dollars/year toward whichever conference would take Memphis. I believe their CEO refuted that, but what can't be denied is that Memphis does have some major financial backers.

I don't know how much money a Memphis/Louisville combo would add to the pie, but IMO that's a much more appealing route than any other mentioned.

 

[NickZepp]

Outside of ND/BYU I agree. Boise doesn't really add much. Neither does an AFA. Arkansas adds some but is overrated. The problem with Memphis/Louisville is they basically add nothing in football where it matters.

 

[stoops4pres]

Outside of ND/BYU I agree. Boise doesn't really add much. Neither does an AFA. Arkansas adds some but is overrated. The problem with Memphis/Louisville is they basically add nothing in football where it matters.

Yeah, in the grand scheme of things none of the teams sans Notre Dame would add enough to negate the dilution of revenue.

Hypothetically though, I am with MissouriFan on this one (believe we discussed this a few months back, too), if the Big 12 were ever to add more teams, I think the 3 most preferable would be UCF, Memphis, and Louisville.

But again, expansion is nothing but a pipe dream at this juncture.