Bill Self to the Thunder?

sperry said:
Hey look, you're wrong! http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9861904/2013-nba-player-rankings-5


Here's a panel of 210 people that ESPN pays to write for them about the NBA who put Russell Westbrook at #5.
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Another good list. Paul is #3 & Curry is #6. Every list we pull has those 3 guys at the top. You couldn't go wrong with any of them. When Rose comes back he will be in the mix. Wall & Irving are coming hard.

We'll see who cuts down the nets over the next few years.
 
sperry said:
Hey look, you're wrong! http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9861904/2013-nba-player-rankings-5


Here's a panel of 210 people that ESPN pays to write for them about the NBA who put Russell Westbrook at 5.


Maybe you've been spending too much time at all those Chili's and Applebees bars in Tulsa?
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A full season of games has been played since then.

And it's funny. You Google just about any other ESPN or NBA article, or list, and Westbrook isn't usually in the top 2-3 pg's. But on this list, somehow, he is the #5 player?

That actually should be embarrassing for Thunder fans. Two of the top 5 players in the league, and you likely won't have anything to show for it in a few weeks.
 
All you Westy fans are ignoring my post earlier. What teams have won a championship with a pg that shoots as much as Westbrook? Especially in recent years? Just doesn't happen often at all.
 
WTSooner said:
A full season of games has been played since then.

And it's funny. You Google just about any other ESPN or NBA article, or list, and Westbrook isn't usually in the top 2-3 pg's. But on this list, somehow, he is the #5 player?

That actually should be embarrassing for Thunder fans. Two of the top 5 players in the league, and you likely won't have anything to show for it in a few weeks.
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Umm like it's some random list. It's an amalgamation fo the rankings of 210 people who write about basketball for a living. I'm pretty sure it's about as authoritative as you can get on the subject.


You were just flat out wrong, and can't admit it. That's okay. Every single other person in this thread is laughing at you.
 
sperry said:
Umm like it's some random list. It's an amalgamation fo the rankings of 210 people who write about basketball for a living. I'm pretty sure it's about as authoritative as you can get on the subject.


You were just flat out wrong, and can't admit it. That's okay. Every single other person in this thread is laughing at you.
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lol

Wouldn't a list put together by NBA players, NBA coaches, or NBA front office guys be WAY more authoritative? LOL. Writers? Yeah, those guys don't have biases, personal favorites, or anything like that. If you go thru that entire list, it's a bit of a joke. Some guys are pretty accurate, others not so much. Curry at #6 BEFORE this season? Seriously? Three pg's in the top 6? Dwight Howard that high? lol. That list isn't based on jack. It's a popularity contest.
 
Kaitee Daley - ESPN social media producer SportsCenter

lol.....what? How did she get a vote? Social media producer?

bwahaha
 
sperry said:
Umm like it's some random list. It's an amalgamation fo the rankings of 210 people who write about basketball for a living. I'm pretty sure it's about as authoritative as you can get on the subject.
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To be fair they do have Marc Gasol at #10 on that list ahead of Kevin Love & Blake Griffin. Bosh is 24, Dirk is 26 & Z-Bo is #35? Very strange.
 
RW can drive you crazy with his out of control outbursts at times, but his explosiveness makes him so valuable. Not many PG's in the league make coaches game plan for them, but he does.

Not sure he is the best fit for what the Thunder wanna do but when he decides to impact a game defensively and on the boards, he is a beast. I could see him averaging over 26 a game if he were in a role like D Rose is with limited offensive options.

He has been asked to tone his game down and allow KD to be the center of their offense. That is very hard for a natural slasher/scorer. Kobe, probably the 2nd best 2 ever struggled until Shaq left and he became the center piece of LA's offense. I would take RW in my top 5 PG's because he does come to battle every night, and he leaves it on the floor.

Not sure the current mix of players the Thunder have will hang a banner. Too much dependence on KD/RW right now. Those 2 guys must play lights out each night. They have several good pieces, but I'm just not sure they are the right pieces..... Still a lot of hoops left to be played, and the Thunder still have a good chance to win it all, IMO.......

Sure miss seing the Lakers this time of year. Hopeful that things get better soon......
 
Hafta agree with WT et al.

RW is a killer athlete, but being a killer athlete isn't necessarily a determining factor to be a great point guard.

Aside from his propensity to shoot too much - I dislike the way Westbrook devalues possessions. Our turnovers are RIDICULOUS and we have some HORRIBLE passers. I see so many possessions where he just dicks us out of decent shots.

I'd rather have Burke or Beverly or Calderon ... one of the guys who average over 30 minutes a game and still stay under 2 turnovers per game ... and still have the Beard. When he was healthy we could have come up with some serious trades, made out like bandits, and been a better team.
 
coolm said:
Hafta agree with WT et al.

RW is a killer athlete, but being a killer athlete isn't necessarily a determining factor to be a great point guard.

Aside from his propensity to shoot too much - I dislike the way Westbrook devalues possessions. Our turnovers are RIDICULOUS and we have some HORRIBLE passers. I see so many possessions where he just dicks us out of decent shots.

I'd rather have Burke or Beverly or Calderon ... one of the guys who average over 30 minutes a game and still stay under 2 turnovers per game ... and still have the Beard. When he was healthy we could have come up with some serious trades, made out like bandits, and been a better team.
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Calderon plus Harden would be arguably the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA.
 
WTSooner said:
Kaitee Daley - ESPN social media producer SportsCenter

lol.....what? How did she get a vote? Social media producer?

bwahaha
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And you are more qualified than her how exactly?


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coolm said:
Hafta agree with WT et al.

RW is a killer athlete, but being a killer athlete isn't necessarily a determining factor to be a great point guard.

Aside from his propensity to shoot too much - I dislike the way Westbrook devalues possessions. Our turnovers are RIDICULOUS and we have some HORRIBLE passers. I see so many possessions where he just dicks us out of decent shots.

I'd rather have Burke or Beverly or Calderon ... one of the guys who average over 30 minutes a game and still stay under 2 turnovers per game ... and still have the Beard. When he was healthy we could have come up with some serious trades, made out like bandits, and been a better team.
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I would take Westbrook over harden 10 out of 10 times


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152219 said:
Calderon plus Harden would be arguably the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA.
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Very true. The Mavericks backcourt defense with Calderon and Ellis on the floor is abysmal.

But I still stand by the contention that the Thunder would be better off and present more problems to opposing teams with a distributor and Harden alongside Durant.
 
WTSooner said:
Kaitee Daley - ESPN social media producer SportsCenter

lol.....what? How did she get a vote? Social media producer?

bwahaha
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Oh, sorry, looks like only about 180 or so of the 210 voting are professional basketball writers.


Look, you're wrong. And you're being absolutely pathetic about it. Just take a deep breath, and say, you're right. Lot's of people do consider Russell Westbrook to be a top 7 player in the NBA.


Don't like ESPN? How about Sports Illustrated: http://nba.si.com/2013/09/20/top-100-players-of-2014-nos-10-1/2/
 
WTSooner said:
Chris Paul is not the 3rd best player in the NBA, and Tony Parker isn't the fourth. And again, that list is a season old.

You do realize for every list you find that has him in the top 5, I can find two that have him outside the top 7-8, right?
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But that isn't what you claimed, you claimed that anyone that had Russell Westbrook in the top 7 must be a homer, you're clearly dead wrong. Many basketball experts not only have RW in their top 7, they have him in their top 5. Personally, I think that he's the 2nd best PG in the league. He's not a typical distribute first PG so that's what throws people off. He disrupts the other team all over the court, and it's hard to place a value on that but it is valuable. His worth as a player was never more obvious than last postseason.
 
steverocks35 said:
His worth as a player was never more obvious than last postseason.
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You keep saying that. The Thunder only have two scorers. Of course if you lose one, the team is going to struggle. Take Lebron off Miami, they struggle. Take Rondo off those Boston teams, which happened, they struggled. Take Tony Parker off the Spurs, they would struggle. I get what you are saying, and I don't really disagree, but to me, HOW much the Thunder struggled is more of a negative against the rest of the roster, than some proof that Westbrook is a top 5 NBA player.

It surprises me a bit that that many folks had him that high, but those ratings were all done a full season ago. To be fair, we're talking about the hear and now. It's likely that some folks, more than I thought, will still have him that high (which I don't understand), but I think the general consensus will be that he isn't a top two pg, and not a top 7-8 player.
 
WTSooner said:
You keep saying that. The Thunder only have two scorers. Of course if you lose one, the team is going to struggle. Take Lebron off Miami, they struggle. Take Rondo off those Boston teams, which happened, they struggled. Take Tony Parker off the Spurs, they would struggle. I get what you are saying, and I don't really disagree, but to me, HOW much the Thunder struggled is more of a negative against the rest of the roster, than some proof that Westbrook is a top 5 NBA player.

It surprises me a bit that that many folks had him that high, but those ratings were all done a full season ago. To be fair, we're talking about the hear and now. It's likely that some folks, more than I thought, will still have him that high (which I don't understand), but I think the general consensus will be that he isn't a top two pg, and not a top 7-8 player.
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Nothing has happened this season to weaken our argument.
 
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