Boomer got fired after OSU game

As I have posted several dozen times over on the Insiders board, whether or not charges are filed has very little to do with whether or not the crime occurred -- especially in the area of sexual and violent assault against women. Both the FBI and the DOJ provide stats that show that very few of these cases result in charges; even fewer go to trial and a minuscule percentage result in convictions.

There are many reasons for this, but for now, suffice it to say that I am really tired of seeing our fans dismiss accusations against our players because no charges were filed. I hope and pray that none of you ever suffers with a loved one who is sexually or violently assaulted; should it happen, you will, believe me, take no comfort from the fact that no charges are filed -- quite the opposite, in fact.
 
As I have posted several dozen times over on the Insiders board, whether or not charges are filed has very little to do with whether or not the crime occurred -- especially in the area of sexual and violent assault against women. Both the FBI and the DOJ provide stats that show that very few of these cases result in charges; even fewer go to trial and a minuscule percentage result in convictions.

There are many reasons for this, but for now, suffice it to say that I am really tired of seeing our fans dismiss accusations against our players because no charges were filed. I hope and pray that none of you ever suffers with a loved one who is sexually or violently assaulted; should it happen, you will, believe me, take no comfort from the fact that no charges are filed -- quite the opposite, in fact.

Very well said.....agree 100%
 
As I have posted several dozen times over on the Insiders board, whether or not charges are filed has very little to do with whether or not the crime occurred -- especially in the area of sexual and violent assault against women. Both the FBI and the DOJ provide stats that show that very few of these cases result in charges; even fewer go to trial and a minuscule percentage result in convictions.

There are many reasons for this, but for now, suffice it to say that I am really tired of seeing our fans dismiss accusations against our players because no charges were filed. I hope and pray that none of you ever suffers with a loved one who is sexually or violently assaulted; should it happen, you will, believe me, take no comfort from the fact that no charges are filed -- quite the opposite, in fact.

+1!
 
As I have posted several dozen times over on the Insiders board, whether or not charges are filed has very little to do with whether or not the crime occurred -- especially in the area of sexual and violent assault against women. Both the FBI and the DOJ provide stats that show that very few of these cases result in charges; even fewer go to trial and a minuscule percentage result in convictions.

There are many reasons for this, but for now, suffice it to say that I am really tired of seeing our fans dismiss accusations against our players because no charges were filed. I hope and pray that none of you ever suffers with a loved one who is sexually or violently assaulted; should it happen, you will, believe me, take no comfort from the fact that no charges are filed -- quite the opposite, in fact.

I am equally sick of fans convicting a kid of a crime when charges were not even filed or equating a mere accusation to a guilty plea.

Your arguments about sex crimes not being reported (which I agree happens all the time) do not remotely mean Frank Shannon or anyone else accused is actually guilty. It simply means that some and perhaps many guilty people are never charged.
 
I am equally sick of fans convicting a kid of a crime when charges were not even filed or equating a mere accusation to a guilty plea.

Your arguments about sex crimes not being reported (which I agree happens all the time) do not remotely mean Frank Shannon or anyone else accused is actually guilty. It simply means that some and perhaps many guilty people are never charged.

I've never once said Shannon was guilty. I have no idea, and neither do you. What I do know is that the fact that charges weren't brought proves nothing either way.

Shannon wasn't convicted by anyone -- certainly not the fans -- but he was reprimanded by a university committee that heard evidence from more than a dozen individuals, evidence no one else has heard, including you and me and all those legal eagles on the Insiders board. Shannon's actions needn't have been illegal in order to justify his being barred from playing football. It was a university code of conduct issue, not a legal one.

So this constant citing of the lack of filed charges is a straw-man argument, and as long as it keeps being thrown out there, I'm going to keep speaking out against it. David Boren and Bob Stoops and that university committee felt, based on evidence presented to them, that there was sufficient justification to keep Shannon off the team this season; how anyone thinks they know better than those people, I cannot fathom.
 
I've never once said Shannon was guilty. I have no idea, and neither do you. What I do know is that the fact that charges weren't brought proves nothing either way.

Shannon wasn't convicted by anyone -- certainly not the fans -- but he was reprimanded by a university committee that heard evidence from more than a dozen individuals, evidence no one else has heard, including you and me and all those legal eagles on the Insiders board. Shannon's actions needn't have been illegal in order to justify his being barred from playing football. It was a university code of conduct issue, not a legal one.

So this constant citing of the lack of filed charges is a straw-man argument, and as long as it keeps being thrown out there, I'm going to keep speaking out against it. David Boren and Bob Stoops and that university committee felt, based on evidence presented to them, that there was sufficient justification to keep Shannon off the team this season; how anyone thinks they know better than those people, I cannot fathom.



Well said.
 
I agree. The old your team's felonies are worse than my team's felonies is a pretty lame argument....

Neither OU player was accused of, charged with or committed a felony. Mixon acted in self defense. He is big and black so he was charged with a BS misdemeanor and wisely plead out to end the nonsense. DGB was accused of pushing a third part female that got in the middle of a verbal argument with his girlfriend. He was also with people that got charged with possession of weed. No charges, no conviction and not remotely felonies.

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with some of you when you act like these two kids committed felonies.
 
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Neither OU player was excused of, charged with or committed a felony. Mixon acted in self defense. He is big and black so he was charged with a BS misdemeanor and wisely plead out to end the nonsense. DGB was accused of pushing a third part female that got in the middle of a verbal argument with his girlfriend. He was also with people that got charged with possession of weed. No charges, no conviction and not remotely felonies.

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with some of you when you act like these two kids committed felonies.

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Great contribution by another fine aggy guest. Bravo.?

Thanks?

I don't see why being a fan of any school/team/whatever has to do with me thinking his stance on something like this is sad to read. If I were an OU fan, would it be okay that I disagree with his opinion, an opinion that has zero bearing on sports but rather society?

I really don't give a **** about college football. The only college sport I really like and watch is basketball. No concern to me who OU's running back is or isn't. I hardly even watch OSU games anymore, let alone OU or other Big XII teams.

But, I do think DenverSooner's attitude about these things is archaic and once again, to me, sad. And I'd think that if his name was DenverCowboy, DenverLonghorn, DenverWhatever.
 
Neither OU player was excused of, charged with or committed a felony. Mixon acted in self defense. He is big and black so he was charged with a BS misdemeanor and wisely plead out to end the nonsense. DGB was accused of pushing a third part female that got in the middle of a verbal argument with his girlfriend. He was also with people that got charged with possession of weed. No charges, no conviction and not remotely felonies.

I think there is something fundamentally wrong with some of you when you act like these two kids committed felonies.

I never referenced any particular case/player. My reference was to MOST fan bases who have a habit of wanting to crucify their rivals' players when they get into trouble, and minimize their own players shortcomings. It happens on all levels.

While I LOVE everything Sooner related, I'm also mature enough to recognize most big time colleges have their share of bad apples, many we never really hear about.

I'm not Judge or jury for any of the names being kicked around in this thread, I'm talking to entire mindset of most fans that our guys aren't as bad as yours, when in fact both schools could sit back and nail the other for some questionable character issues historically.....
 
I agree. The old your team's felonies are worse than my team's felonies is a pretty lame argument....

That's why I brought it up Jmizz. The irony is that a football player at each school typically gets the benefit of the doubt until all the evidence is examined. This takes weeks or months. A mascot get the boot the next day. Why? Because he doesn't effect the performance of the team on the field

Doesn't matter what school, it's reality.


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That's why I brought it up Jmizz. The irony is that a football player at each school typically gets the benefit of the doubt until all the evidence is examined. This takes weeks or months. A mascot get the boot the next day. Why? Because he doesn't effect the performance of the team on the field

Doesn't matter what school, it's reality.


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Unless that Mascot is at OSU then he gets a game suspensions because your school is a bunch classless rednecks.
 
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I don't see why being a fan of any school/team/whatever has to do with me thinking his stance on something like this is sad to read. If I were an OU fan, would it be okay that I disagree with his opinion, an opinion that has zero bearing on sports but rather society?

I really don't give a **** about college football. The only college sport I really like and watch is basketball. No concern to me who OU's running back is or isn't. I hardly even watch OSU games anymore, let alone OU or other Big XII teams.

But, I do think DenverSooner's attitude about these things is archaic and once again, to me, sad. And I'd think that if his name was DenverCowboy, DenverLonghorn, DenverWhatever.

My stance on what? That these two OU football players did not commit felonies. That is not a stance, it is a fact.

What is my attitude on these things?

To clarify my attitude on Mixon is he acted within the law. A drunk women does not have a right to call a black man a N*%%#$, spit on him and slap with no retaliation. No one has that right. She does have the right to call him names and if she chooses that name, I go easy on sentencing if it is a single punch. Free speech carries responsibility.

My attitude on DGB is the kid did nothing serious. He made a series of mistakes and was kicked out of Missouri. Not one of them is defining. He did not rape a 13 year old girl. He did not scar another human for life. He should not push someone but no judge is going to issue any significant sentence for a push with no serious injury. Now if the girl was thrown down the stairs and broke a bone or worse, then he would be in big trouble. Perhaps he got lucky, perhaps he didn't really push her that hard and the "stair case" inside an apartment wasn't an entire flight of stairs. Who knows but his actions were nothing like Collins.

I don't care if anyone possesses weed, has friends that possess weed or smokes weed.

My attitude on Frank Shannon is if he raped that women he should be gone. He should be in jail. If her father or brothers wanted to kick his ass, I would sentence them to one day (however, I would not recommend trying to beat up a Big XII linebacker). However, I have a major problem with the Federal Government imposing itself in local crime. It is none of their business. I also think these panels are a joke. Society should not subject college students to two levels of review when the rest of society is not faced with that. Furthermore, when accused of a crime and the evidence is not sufficient to press charges, society should not then call the crime something else, take away the rights of the defendant and issue a punishment.

Finally, I have a major problem with decision makers that are faced with an accusation of rape and issue a one year suspension from college. That is inconceivable to me. How is that possibly the correct punishment? If he did it, it is way too easy. If he didn't, it is wrong.

If you have a problem with any of that, I don't know what to tell you.
 
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